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[randomtoker]

Lurking on the Source thread - has anyone tried diluting with MCT oil like The Clear?

I saw that, I don't know what MTC is though,

@MrTibbles I looked into ordering triethyl citrate but the flavoring company's site requires account creation to order, and account creation requires saving full contact and credit card info. I have nothing to hide, but no site that I'm only ordering one thing from needs all that info stored on their servers.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Guessing they mean MCT, not MTC. Stands for medium-chain triglyceride. Reddit with references - focused on tobacco, but OP began with cannabis. Could be a game changer. Haven't found a how-to.

 

[Prospector]

Lurking on the Source thread - has anyone tried diluting with MCT oil like The Clear?

Hmm interesting. I should try this before I move towards tinctures.

 

[Javydawg]

Where can I purchase MCT oil to vape? I've looked online and in Amazon.com but I'm not sure it's pure/safe enough to vape?

 

[shark sandwich]

MCT oil is made up of octanoic and decanoic acids, as well as small amounts of LCTs and other contaminants. Of those constituents, octanoic acid is the only desirable portion.

Octanoic aka Caprylic acid can be purchased a lot of chemical suppliers, like sigmaaldrich.

The highest quality mct oil on amazon appears to be this stuff:
https://www.amazon.com/Nestle-Patients-Unable-Digest-Conventional/dp/B0013Y6YYI

And here's a word of caution from earlier in the thread:

I researched the Caprylic and Decanoic acids which were recommended. According to Wikipedia, Caprylic acid is a clear liquid and relatively harmless. But Decanoic acid is medium-toxic and crystalline, with a strong rancid and unpleasant smell. Maybe they use both chemicals because they buy them already combined, but it seems to me there's no use for the DA, and if that's the case then this chemistry has definitely not been thoroughly researched.

Whatever they're using, all the msds info I can find for these chemicals is for concentrations of 95-99%

What concerns me most is the 1-5% of mystery volume. These chemicals are extracted from natural sources where they are isolated as best as possible from other, similar chemicals. These other chemicals would include LCT's, and who knows what else.

Just a very small amount of the wrong kind of oil can cause big problems in your lungs, so it's good to be careful. People get lipid pneumonia just by using lip balm too often.

The clear is made with MCT oil, and used without incident, so it seems like a pretty safe preparation. It should, however, be possible to make a much better preparation using the information above.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Welcome back SS! Found your earlier post in this thread searching for MCT.

Wouldn't you want pure caprylic acid, in that case? The composition of the product you link to is unclear.

 

[shark sandwich]

The product I linked under "simaaldrich" above is 98% or greater caprylic acid. 100% isn't available anywhere that I have seen.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

The product I linked under "simaaldrich" above is 98% or greater caprylic acid.

Nice, thanks! Meant Amazon link.

 

[Javydawg]

Can I buy from sigmaaldrich? Seems I need to have a business :/

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Comparison of some potential sources. No clear winner. Hype over increased energy and weight loss when added to coffee.

 

[randomtoker]

Hey all, I came across a couple interesting things lately. Seemed worth sharing here.

1) Vapeur Extract is going to be selling a winterizing agent that they're calling "clear". I'm not sure what exactly it is. They advertise as Winterizing without Ethanol, the email said: "In the next few weeks we will release a series of products that will allow you to take out fats and lipids within minutes after purging. The results, and taste are phenomenal. We can't wait for you to try!" Sounds interesting, perhaps convenient. May not be anything revolutionary for people who extract, but could be helpful to people that just want something quick and easy to clean up their extract and make better juice with. They only have an empty product page so far: http://vapeurextract.com/clear/

2) Johnny AppleCBD. This is a company selling pure, crystalized CBD extract online. It's around 50 bucks for a half gram. It's just CBD but I'm curious, since it's crystal, perhaps it could mix cleanly into VG? Could be worth a try just to check it out. https://johnnyapplecbd.com/

 

[RCalore]

Hey all, I came across a couple interesting things lately. Seemed worth sharing here.

1) Vapeur Extract is going to be selling a winterizing agent that they're calling "clear". I'm not sure what exactly it is. They advertise as Winterizing without Ethanol, the email said: "In the next few weeks we will release a series of products that will allow you to take out fats and lipids within minutes after purging. The results, and taste are phenomenal. We can't wait for you to try!" Sounds interesting, perhaps convenient. May not be anything revolutionary for people who extract, but could be helpful to people that just want something quick and easy to clean up their extract and make better juice with. They only have an empty product page so far: http://vapeurextract.com/clear/

2) Johnny AppleCBD. This is a company selling pure, crystalized CBD extract online. It's around 50 bucks for a half gram. It's just CBD but I'm curious, since it's crystal, perhaps it could mix cleanly into VG? Could be worth a try just to check it out. https://johnnyapplecbd.com/

Yeah, I've tried using CBD crystalline with a zero nic e-juice on my RDA and it's been okay...not sure if it's the best way to combine the two. I noticed Johnny AppleCBD has flavored CBD crystalline and if you've tried that and how is it? Maybe I can eliminate the e-juice and just vape the raw flavored crystals.

 

[randomtoker]

@RCalore I haven't tried it yet, sort of steep price for an experiment. They claim you can vape or smoke it straight. I don't like carrying around white crystal powders myself... I was just curious to try mixing it in straight, or high % VG to see if it would blend.

 

[420time]

blue river extracts have a gram of cbd for 60$, and strawberry goo cbd sap for 120$.

http://blueriverextracts.com/strawberry-banana-goo-cbd-sap-1-gram/

http://blueriverextracts.com/cbd-99-9-isolate-1-gram/

 

[Filhote]

I've got a new Coil experience. A single notch Coil with .17 Ohm and 40 Watt. The taste is really different, not so ...direct. A amazing rampuptime. It's my new favorit!

 

[looney2nz]

Don't know what you mean. Probably favorite build ever for mouth to lung.

Encourage everyone to read herbivore21's thoughtful post about risks of vaping. There was a time, not long ago, when cannabis use was associated with any number of risky behaviors. Glad to see that's changing. What follows has nothing to do with avoiding risk.

Goal was e-juice as alternative to edibles. We all accumulate foul material that's still active - trim, AVB, filtrate, reclaim, etc. The only thing it seems fit for is edibles with strong flavor masking its vileness. What if that vileness could be reduced enough to mask with delicious, max VG e-juice on second coil?

Read this old post. Activated charcoal dramatically removed chlorophyll from long ISO extraction. OP complained resulting oil had little flavor. Seemed perfect.

Extracted 15 g mystery trim with EtOH for 8 hours at 130F in MB2e. Winterized, filtered out impressive cake of precipitate. Left with this.

Stirred with 4 tablespoons activated charcoal, filtered and voila.

Evaporation gave off unusual odor while reducing to reddish oil similar in appearance to that observed in above post. Dabbed, got puffy, black residue on nail and little else. Undeterred, dissolved in 1 ml PEG 400 + 4mls PG. Vaped on above setup with AVG on second coil.

Result can only be described as nauseating. Vaped QWET of same mystery trim with decent results. How toxic can this be? Not about to find out.

Still, impressed with activated charcoal. May produce good results with better starting material.

Interesting idea, but that Activated Charcoal also soaks up every terpene

 

[EpicNameGuy]

I'm too lazy to cite references, but I'm pretty sure MCT Oil isn't good for say cooking edibles because its flash point is relatively low (in the 300F area I think) and releases carcinogens after that.

I seem to be of the impression vape pens burn hotter than this, otherwise you would not catch a high from the vape.

Wouldn't this be a concern for MCT oil as a vape pen carrier? I had this discussion without someone about this application about a year and a half ago when dispensaries were first experimenting with it and it was ruled out as too risky compared to PEG, and then we upgraded to terpenes and haven't gone back so we've not revisited the topic.

Just curious if the conversation has evolved past that.

 

[EpicNameGuy]

Hey all, I came across a couple interesting things lately. Seemed worth sharing here.

1) Vapeur Extract is going to be selling a winterizing agent that they're calling "clear". I'm not sure what exactly it is. They advertise as Winterizing without Ethanol, the email said: "In the next few weeks we will release a series of products that will allow you to take out fats and lipids within minutes after purging. The results, and taste are phenomenal. We can't wait for you to try!" Sounds interesting, perhaps convenient. May not be anything revolutionary for people who extract, but could be helpful to people that just want something quick and easy to clean up their extract and make better juice with. They only have an empty product page so far: http://vapeurextract.com/clear/

2) Johnny AppleCBD. This is a company selling pure, crystalized CBD extract online. It's around 50 bucks for a half gram. It's just CBD but I'm curious, since it's crystal, perhaps it could mix cleanly into VG? Could be worth a try just to check it out. https://johnnyapplecbd.com/

Just an fyi... you all probably already know this, but in order to obtain such a high percentage of purity, usually some harsher solvents are in use such as hexane. That's ok as long as it's purged properly, but it really take a proper environment to do so.

Point being, no matter what vendor you source your isolate from, make sure you are asking for a recent residual solvent test. If they won't provide it, they probably aren't getting the testing done (or perhaps are, but are not getting the results they'd like) and you should steer clear. The industry isn't regulated at this time, so there are good players and bad alike..

Just some advice.

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

Interesting idea, but that Activated Charcoal also soaks up every terpene

Also soaked up every cannabinoid.

Wouldn't this be a concern for MCT oil as a vape pen carrier?

Could be. Started a thread for MCT oil because there seems to be little definitive information available. Tried it, and it worked okay. Not a clear improvement over glycols, IMO, so no reason to risk it. Should be ideal for tincture, though.

 

[herbivore21]

Just an fyi... you all probably already know this, but in order to obtain such a high percentage of purity, usually some harsher solvents are in use such as hexane. That's ok as long as it's purged properly, but it really take a proper environment to do so.

Point being, no matter what vendor you source your isolate from, make sure you are asking for a recent residual solvent test. If they won't provide it, they probably aren't getting the testing done (or perhaps are, but are not getting the results they'd like) and you should steer clear. The industry isn't regulated at this time, so there are good players and bad alike..

Just some advice.

Yeah we really need to know what that 'winterizing liquid' is made of lol

 

[Javydawg]

Yeah we really need to know what that 'winterizing liquid' is made of lol

It's not a liquid it's more like syringe filter. The video is here
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJO-Na8geHM/

 

[herbivore21]

It's not a liquid it's more like syringe filter. The video is here
https://www.instagram.com/p/BJO-Na8geHM/

Hmmmm still very scant detail. It looks like a standard luhr lock syringe filter on a cheap throwaway plastic syringe. Is this just sub-micron filtration? In any case, it looks like a struggle to get the material through the filter (sub-micron filtration of very thick material is notoriously difficult - it can be impossible to push a straight out liquid solution with a large amount of ethanol or iso through such a filter on a syringe, let alone a thick cannabis errl)! I wonder if a vacuum compatible version exists?

One big factor that stands out to me is how they managed to get the material to even run through such a filter (perhaps heat - unless this material is a distillate in which case I'm sure dewaxing could simply be achieved with fractional distillation?). There is absolutely no similar syringe filter of any pore size that I have used that this would work for. It would be a very messy affair, you would need to use heat and then questions of leaching of plastics emerge. If this is a super fine filter as I suspect, then that will be challenging to use to say the least!

I am very interested to find out more needless to say lol

 

[420time]

WOW! I have tried the same technique a few years ago with some bho+99% Iso.... was a real pain in the ass. It was in a 60ml syringe with a 25 micron filter.....

 

[Deleted Member 1643]

it can be impossible to push a straight out liquid solution with a large amount of ethanol or iso through such a filter on a syringe, let alone a thick cannabis errl)!

Since this is Vapeur Extract, maybe oil is already dissolved in their glycol mix or one of their other products? After filtration, solution in bottle looks more like finished canna e-juice than undiluted oil. Don't know why it's so cloudy to begin with.

Blue ring could indicate type of filter membrane or pore size. When evaporating EtOH from QWET, routinely filter through 0.45 uM nylon syringe filter before transferring to small evaporation dish. Many types of filter membrane are available, hydrophilic or hydrophobic, for example. Would a particular type of filter membrane help clean up chemical contaminants as well as particulates?

 

[herbivore21]

WOW! I have tried the same technique a few years ago with some bho+99% Iso.... was a real pain in the ass. It was in a 60ml syringe with a 25 micron filter.....

You betcha bro, it is a brutally difficult task isn't it! Imagine the difficulty when I tried to do the same with a 100ml syringe and a .2 micron filter!

Since this is Vapeur Extract, maybe oil is already dissolved in their glycol mix or one of their other products? After filtration, solution in bottle looks more like finished canna e-juice than undiluted oil. Don't know why it's so cloudy to begin with.

Blue ring could indicate type of filter membrane or pore size. When evaporating EtOH from QWET, routinely filter through 0.45 uM nylon syringe filter before transferring to small evaporation dish. Many types of filter membrane are available, hydrophilic or hydrophobic, for example. Would a particular type of filter membrane help clean up chemical contaminants as well as particulates?

The cloudiness may be owing to any number of causes. I know that cannabis essential oil extracted by distillation can look quite cloudy on the initial passes before it is further distilled to clarify/purify.

Some of these membranes are small enough (.2 micron is preferable to .45) to remove bacteria and perhaps some kinds of fungus/spores. Please check compatibility charts between your membrane material (ie: Nylon - make sure to know exactly which kind of nylon polymer this is as in some cases this information can be required where many formulations exist) and chosen solvent (not all solvents will play nicely with all membranes).

Additionally, you really wanna be sure that the membrane is gonna play nicely with cannabis resin. I believe Gray Wolf may have discussed appropriate membrane materials for sub-micron filters on Skunk Pharm at one stage when he talks about cleaning up extracts.

If not, I did my homework a year or two ago on this, can't remember but I might be able to find my notes or just look it up again

Finally, I am not 100% sure that sub-micron filtration would actually achieve dewaxing. I certainly found that after sub-micron filtration of solution at .2 microns, I could still winterize materials out of it with ethanol! Perhaps this offers a partial dewax, perhaps things work differently if ejuice solvents are mixed in? I don't have all the information to understand their scenario so I can only guess lol