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Gazaam

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Gazaam,

Gazaam

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Please copy and paste that link so I can figure out what's going on? :(

I understand the advantages of extraction in a vacuum, just want to have real world numbers for folks to relate to as they use they vaporize various compounds singly or in an ensemble.

Can you see the chart now? It has been a scientific standard since time immemorial to determine BPs at STP. The only time vacuum is used is when the test compound would oxidize or combust before boiling if you tried to measure it at STP.

I am not sure how I did it, but now all the images are showing up. I right clicked one of the little icons and selected Open in a new Window. Then a message popped up indicating the the site was not secure. I elected to to go it anyway and then the image of the chart appeared.

So I think the reason no images are showing up, just the icons, is a security feature of the browser you are using. I am using Chrome.
 

looney2nz

Research Geek, Mad Scientist
  1. Can you see the chart now? It has been a scientific standard since time immemorial to determine BPs at STP. The only time vacuum is used is when the test compound would oxidize or combust before boiling if you tried to measure it at STP.
I am not sure how I did it, but now all the images are showing up. I right clicked one of the little icons and selected Open in a new Window. Then a message popped up indicating the the site was not secure. I elected to to go it anyway and then the image of the chart appeared.

So I think the reason no images are showing up, just the icons, is a security feature of the browser you are using. I am using Chrome.

there's a different issue going on, as these images were uploaded to imgur and there have been problems with those hosted images (long thread elsewhere on the board).

p.s. I updated my earlier question, you might go back and refresh it.
 
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Gazaam

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But I would hope that we could partner with some independent labs (certainly NOT SC Labs) and assemble the results without going to tons of trouble, but this equipment is going to continue to fall...

I do not think the price of GC equipment will ever drop to consumer levels. But there is a simpler, cheaper method which is almost as accurate - TLC (Thin Layer Chromatography)

https://www.rollitup.org/t/diy-thin...-tlc-of-cannabinoids-at-home-tutorial.953423/

Are you familiar with it? I put together a setup for less than ~ $200 with stuff I bought on eBay. To capture the vapor from an atty for use in TLC, you would have to bubble it through a solvent (any solvent good for cannabis like methanol) and then use that in your test. Here is the standard setup for doing that in case you didn't know. One caution: turn the water on very slowly and just a bit. Then push the vape button and watch what happens. If the bubbles are too slow, then turn the faucet on a bit more. Use a really small flask and a minimal amount of solvent. After a while the solvent will get brownish. Then transfer it to a small dish and evaporate the solvent in a warm oven. The goo at the bottom of the dish is the sample you want to test. Apply a tiny dab to the TLC plate. It would probably be useful to extract a bit of the starting material in the same solvent. Dry that as well and apply a tiny dab of it next to your test sample on the TLC. Then after you run the TLC you will be able to compare the individual cannabinoids in your vapor to the starting material.

Only the first image link works. I cannot figure out how to delete the second one



http://e:\docs\h2o condensation\]untitled-1.jpg
 
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fernand

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Great. Unfortunately the images are gone. Try the Direct Link two times. First in an image object from the menu above. Then below that just paste the link itself. At least one of them might survive.
Let's see if this works:


https://i.imgur.com/ypQHNC7.jpg
 
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fernand,

Gazaam

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I am not sure I understand what you are suggesting, but try this:
right click on the first icon above with "img" after it.

Select open in new tab. Go to the new tab. That link is to a file on my dropbox not imgur

Let me know if this doesn't work out. Good luck! What you find out if you do this will be, I think, new and valuable info for the 420 community. I do not think I have ever seen a study comparing the contents of the vapor with the contents of the starting material.
 
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Gazaam,

fernand

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I was referring to the imgur links.

I did see your vapor capture rig. Very similar to many vapor capture setups I've seen. But we got to master the TLC technique or get a CG/MS machine. ;-)
 

Gazaam

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But we got to master the TLC technique or get a CG/MS machine. ;-)

So it would seem. I suspect the learning curve for GC/MS instruments is a lot bigger than that for TLC.

I did see your vapor capture rig. Very similar to many vapor capture setups I've seen

Yes, that setup is quite standard. I depicted it for the information of anyone who has not done that before.
 
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looney2nz

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yeah, I wasn't trying to specify the tech, thin film is very interesting.
 
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fernand

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Work with recipes? At last a scale that works OK (so far). I've been trying to find a decent one that doesn't cost too much for years.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079DQRXNJ/ref=biss_dp_t_asn

The draft hood is dinky but the rest of it is a solid build. It handles up to 200g, and reads down to milligrams. In reality, with these sorts of circuits, any disturbance in the air or magnetic fields, like placing your hand a couple of inches above the platform will cause changes in the +/- 10mg range. This scale has a smart re-zeroing system.

So far so good. This is a bona fide piece of gear, shoebox-sized, AC powered (or uses a 9v battery), the instruction sheet makes sense, it does not auto-shut off, great for $85, shipped. I ordered on Saturday evening and it arrived on Sunday afternoon, Amazon Prime.

They didn't put much green tint in the ivory plastic on mine, so it's not too ugly! There are many variants of this same scale, different sensitivities and ranges, up to 3000g/0.01g, under different brands, look around.



https://i.imgur.com/akSf9nV.jpg

To read milligrams for real, you need 0.1 mg resolution. But that gets pricier in a hurry. Like $400 minimum. With careful handling and re-zeroing, you can read down to the mg, +/- a milligram or two on a decent 0.001g scale like this. Good enough for my recipes.
 
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Gazaam

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Nice. I have a question for you: if you are running this scale from AC power, will it stay on permanently displaying the current weight reading? If not, is there a way to turn the display back on without having to remove the item on the scale's pan? Thanks!
 
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fernand

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As far as I've seen so far, yes it will stay on. That's one of the essential "features" I was looking for. Amazing how few scales have that capability. Whether the value will remain the same after many hours is another matter.
 
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CrushnDevour

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Has anyone used the vaporesso guardian tank for thc ejuice? Happy Vaper, who works for Wax Liquidiser has recently put a new article up saying that the guardian is the best tank for our needs, getting through 3 tanks with no issues or blank gunk seeping into the tank, even with full spectrum (not winterized) concentrate .

He has only tested it on the target mod that comes with it though, and explained that due to the coil being slightly embedded in the ceramic, it will give a very specific TCR for the coil, which he thinks vaporesso would have accounted for in the chip of the target, so can't guarantee the same results on a different mod.

If anyone has used the guardian tank and can tell me the mod used and settings, and any real life experience I would be most grateful!

Thanks
 
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UnevenPizza

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Hey everyone!

I was just wondering if I could mix wax/rosin from a hair-straightening press into my E-juice of choice and vape that in a pen? (Or cotton/coil tank)

I want to use CCell carts or that type of cart on a pen (PCKT One)

Or is that a dumb idea? :shrug:

Sorry if this has been answered before, I just discovered this part of FC!

I was thinking of just heating the concentrate up in a shot glass waterbath and then adding a bit of the e-juice. It's a 70VG/30PG mix but I can get different ratios.

I have some straight VG but that it. Hard to get terps here I think and taste is not really important for me, it's a matter of stealthyness...
Should I just order a bottle of PG and some flavors?

I have other vapes I use for flower so this is kind of new territory.

Cheers!
 
UnevenPizza,

CrushnDevour

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Hey everyone!

I was just wondering if I could mix wax/rosin from a hair-straightening press into my E-juice of choice and vape that in a pen? (Or cotton/coil tank)

I want to use CCell carts or that type of cart on a pen (PCKT One)

Or is that a dumb idea? :shrug:

Sorry if this has been answered before, I just discovered this part of FC!

I was thinking of just heating the concentrate up in a shot glass waterbath and then adding a bit of the e-juice. It's a 70VG/30PG mix but I can get different ratios.

I have some straight VG but that it. Hard to get terps here I think and taste is not really important for me, it's a matter of stealthyness...
Should I just order a bottle of PG and some flavors?

I have other vapes I use for flower so this is kind of new territory.

Cheers!

VG won't mix with concentrates, it just depends. I use Wax Liquidiser but there are other brands as well . It works a treat! Also, cotton coils will work but will gunk up quick from what I gather, which is why I've exclusively used ceramic coils . Not all of them are perfect mind!

Ive just found that apparently the vaporesso guardian tank works the best for our needs, it literally arrived 10 mins ago and I just filled it up! So I will let you know how it works
 
Just logged back on for the first time in a while, curious to get the latest on the cannajuice scene and see what the latest methods are.

First question....I was gonna put a pic of my vaper on but i dont know how to add pictures to the post. How do i add pics?
 
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CrushnDevour

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Oh yeah, ive had 2 weeks with the guardian tank, and it's brilliant!

I use full spectrum, non winterized shatter, so it has all the fats and lipids in still, and these coils handle it fine! Absolutely no black gunk seeping into the tank after 3 tanks, flavour dropped, but it was still going! The first few tanks taste great .

The veco could only handy 1/2 to 3/4 of a tank before black gunk came out.

One con is that it's difficult to use every last drop in the tank, due to where the wick holes are, but topping it up solves this.
 

UnevenPizza

I dream of Pizza
Just logged back on for the first time in a while, curious to get the latest on the cannajuice scene and see what the latest methods are.

First question....I was gonna put a pic of my vaper on but i dont know how to add pictures to the post. How do i add pics?

Click the little Landscape picture,to the right of the smiley (in the text box when you're writing a post). You can put the image URL in there. You can upload it to imagebb.com or something similar.
 
UnevenPizza,
Click the little Landscape picture,to the right of the smiley (in the text box when you're writing a post). You can put the image URL in there. You can upload it to imagebb.com or something similar.
Hiya mate, thanks for your reply. I clicked that button that asks for a url, but i dont know what an image url is so I'll scrap that, i thought you just added pics from your phone. Anyway....

Im currently making qwiso, then turning that to juice with pg+peg, then vaping it in a coolfire tc100. My temp is 475f at 65w, with a ss316 cleito subohm coil and tank. Is this set up any good? Just been reading about the vaporesso ceramic voils above and people saying that ceramic is better. What do people think? Thanks.
 
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Old_muel

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Anyone successfully using non-winterized rosin? Is there any other way to clean rosin of waxes n lipids for hassle-free use in tanks other than winterizing?, Anyone know if these small syringe filters work? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...inge+filter.TRS1&_nkw=syringe+filter&_sacat=0 ? Also if using un-winterized is it possible to clean the vaporesso euc ceramic coils for more use once they inevitably start getting clogged with waxes n lipids?
 
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CrushnDevour

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Anyone successfully using non-winterized rosin? Is there any other way to clean rosin of waxes n lipids for hassle-free use in tanks other than winterizing?, Anyone know if these small syringe filters work? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...inge+filter.TRS1&_nkw=syringe+filter&_sacat=0 ? Also if using un-winterized is it possible to clean the vaporesso euc ceramic coils for more use once they inevitably start getting clogged with waxes n lipids?

Not rosin, but I've used plenty of non winterized shatter in the guardian tank, and it works very very well. The euc coils in my veco tank couldn't handle it so well, and black gunk would start seeping into the tank only half a tank in. The guardian on the other hand, had none of these issues and so far I've gotten a full 2 tanks out of a coil with no issues. Could have kept going but flavour had dropped sonic changed.
 
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Gazaam

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Im currently making qwiso, then turning that to juice with pg+peg, then vaping it in a coolfire tc100

That will work. However I am not sure if qwiso has waxes in it. So you may want to try winterizing a small amount of your extract before diluting it with Peg. If a bunch of whitish or tan colored goop precipitates out to the bortom of the winterization, that is wax and related stuff. Has zero medicinal value and ruins the taste to some extent. Also, if it vapes it will get into your throat and make you cough.

Re Peg, glycerine, etc.: there are several threads on this forum related to the carcinogenic gaseous byproducts that form if the wire in your coil comes in contact with the diluted juice. You might want to consider using terpenes instead to thin it out. Or use a temperature controlled rig and keep the temp below 480 deg F. which is where the Peg starts to decompose.

I gotta say that I have been thinking lately about going back to vaping straight bud. Why do we need to go through all this nonsense of extraction, diluting, putting the terpenes back in, etc. This must add significantly to the cost of the refined product due to labor, material, and yield costs. Why not just vape the weed directly?What is the advantage to extraction anyway?

If you are not into doing extractions yourself, then there are only a limited number of extracted strains compared to the full cornucopia.
 
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Gazaam,

Gazaam

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I use full spectrum, non winterized shatter, so it has all the fats and lipids in still

Not true, friend. Shatter removes the waxes and lipids either by winterizing or not extracting it out of the plant in the first place. Otherwise the shatter would not be clear and brittle. I'm 99% sure of this, so you might try asking a manufacturer directly. Anybody else have any info on this?

Anyone successfully using non-winterized rosin? Is there any other way to clean rosin of waxes n lipids for hassle-free use in tanks other than winterizing?, Anyone know if these small syringe filters work? https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?
 
Gazaam,

Gazaam

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Yes, the small syringe filters work great. There may be other ways to remove the waxes etc. but I believe winterization using ethanol is the most straight forward.

Does anybody know if rosin made by hot pressing raw herb contains waxes lipids etc.?
 
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Gazaam,
Yes, the small syringe filters work great. There may be other ways to remove the waxes etc. but I believe winterization using ethanol is the most straight forward.

Does anybody know if rosin made by hot pressing raw herb contains waxes lipids etc.?

Rosin will contain lipids. Winterization needed for convenient results i. O. To prevent faster clogging.

Good devices so far:
Vaporesso Veco= rig or bong hit
Vaporesso Drizzle = pen/Joint Like


My two working recipes and devices so far:

Juice (for lung feeling and clouds):


1g Extract 9ml PG
10-15 Drops Terpenes, 5drops wax liquidizer

1. Solve bho in grain alcohol, freeze, Filter, warm, purge in vac
2. Warm rest sappy extract with drops PEG Product, add terps or more terps and LEAVE pegs
3. Add PG ml per ml

If wished, thin Up to 1:20 If stealth or less flavor is goal.



Thinned Rosin/Bho:

1.Ppress 1g Rosin, warm in jar till is liquid, add 2 Drops wax liquidizer, 3 drops terps

2. Mix and fill while still warm (cartridge or tank)

If wished I can show Pics


Does s.o. know good settings for the Veco/Drizzle/yocan evolve donut atomizer in TC mode?
How to lower the start and overall wattage in this mode?


Thx kindly for the help
 
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