I've been trying to find some info on where to start with this but no luck yet. Any one have experience or a good link they can toss my way?
Adding Terpenes Back Into Oil?
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You can find bottles of various terpenes on Amazon. I purchased pinene, Myrcene, and Limonene. All food grade. I added some to one of my extractions, but I could not really notice any different flavor. I also tried dipping dabs into the terps raw, but I gave up on that method after safety concerns raised by @herbivore21 .
trichome_renaissance
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Just picked up some from Extract Consultants (Myrcene, Linalool, and Limonene) and plan on adding them to concentrate mixed with holy terps peacemaker. Holy Terps is a proprietary blend of VG, PG, PG400, and terpenes designed to be mixed with concentrate to create oil fit for vape pens. Holy Terps claims that 32 drops of there mix = 1ml by volume and that it is also equivalent to the volume of 1 gram of concentrate. So a 2:1 ratio = 32 drops of HT per 1/2 gram of concentrate, 3:1 is 32 drops to 1/3 gram, and 4:1 is 32 drops to 1/4 gram of concentrate.
Three initial samples without added terpenes were prepared at these ratios. Observations were that larger ratio indicated larger clouds (due to more VG) and better flavor (sweeter due to increased VG and more flavorful due to more terpenes) as the amount of concentrate decreased. So more potentcy equaled worse flavor. Potency ranged from very nice at the 2:1 ratio (about 5 hits to satisfy) to good at the 3:1 ratio (takes about 10 hits to satisfy) to "sessionable" at the 4:1 ratio (good strength for hitting all day for those who prefer this) but I found the terpene profile a bit lacking at all of these ratios.
Thinking of adding some of the Extract Consultants terps into the mix. Probably at a ratio of 1-2.5 drops per gram of concentrate. This seems in line with the Extract Consultants recommendation of adding terpenes at a 1%-4% by volume rate. Thinking the hard part is pairing the correct individual terpenes with the proprietary holy terp blend being used. I'll probably do 4 versions.....1 of each individual terpene and a fourth that is a combo of all the terpenes.
For personal quantities, most just mix the terpenes, the HT,and the concentrate together then heat to 150F and stir until dissolved. For larger quantities, extract consultants recommends that the terpenes be added with a stir plate to encourage even distribution.
Three initial samples without added terpenes were prepared at these ratios. Observations were that larger ratio indicated larger clouds (due to more VG) and better flavor (sweeter due to increased VG and more flavorful due to more terpenes) as the amount of concentrate decreased. So more potentcy equaled worse flavor. Potency ranged from very nice at the 2:1 ratio (about 5 hits to satisfy) to good at the 3:1 ratio (takes about 10 hits to satisfy) to "sessionable" at the 4:1 ratio (good strength for hitting all day for those who prefer this) but I found the terpene profile a bit lacking at all of these ratios.
Thinking of adding some of the Extract Consultants terps into the mix. Probably at a ratio of 1-2.5 drops per gram of concentrate. This seems in line with the Extract Consultants recommendation of adding terpenes at a 1%-4% by volume rate. Thinking the hard part is pairing the correct individual terpenes with the proprietary holy terp blend being used. I'll probably do 4 versions.....1 of each individual terpene and a fourth that is a combo of all the terpenes.
For personal quantities, most just mix the terpenes, the HT,and the concentrate together then heat to 150F and stir until dissolved. For larger quantities, extract consultants recommends that the terpenes be added with a stir plate to encourage even distribution.
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Very nice tech if you haven't you should post in the one hitter quitter e liquid section. E liquids arnt for me as lowering or toning down my concentrates enough to use in a e liquid form doesnt cut it. Im more interested in adding more flavor to the rosin I repress pucks with as I can taste the difference and terps have been burned away, or possibly adding more terps into super stable qwet?
Monsoon
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If you want to buy cannabis sourced terpenes, check out Blue River Extracts. It's run by Tony Verzura of Hash Church fame who seems to be spearheading a lot of this stuff so it should be the best option right now. Downside is the $100 per vial cost but I've read that it does last while for dipping your dabs. Probably worth skipping through the last few Hash Church episodes since they seem to talk about it a lot.
weenstoned
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The only terpenes I have seen in Canada were from Horatio Delbert Concentrates. If I am remembering correctly they were God's Green Crack and were $180 per vial. Honestly not really sold on the idea of isolating all the active ingredients (the clear, cbn, etc) and then combining them together again yourself at least at these current prices. Can just get terpy shatter or wax and don't really feel like it needs anything really. Maybe I can see if you have strict medical needs, but any reputable extraction company should probably be able to make shatter/wax that's safe enough for most users.
Edit: fixed price/strain.
Edit: fixed price/strain.
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sativasam
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There is a lot of terp talk in this thread at the moment so you may want to check it out.. http://fuckcombustion.com/threads/m...quid-potent-effective-cheap-easy.6287/page-40
Monsoon
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Found it here for any Canadians willing to shell out for it. With the current shitty exchange rate it's US$127 so not too much more than Tony's. If one vial is good for 40 grams then it adds about $5 to the cost of every gram which isn't too bad I guess. It's still pretty cutting edge stuff at this point so they can charge whatever they want. I'll probably wait for prices to drop myself before trying it out, I'm pretty happy with the results I'm getting from my QWET process; the last few batches the end result has smelt and tasted like the flower originally did so I wouldn't want to ruin that. Would be good for lower quality or shittier tasting oils though.
weenstoned
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Ya I wasn't sure if I should link herbal dispatch here as they sell cannabis products. I am curious about how exactly you would infuse half a drop to 1 gram of shatter or would you need to infuse 2 grams at once, or just dip individual dabs? I don't see buying it anytime soon as the amount of shatter I could get for that price seems absurd, or even get nearly 2 grams of hdc lho which tastes amazing and also has medical effects. I mean I wouldn't be surprised if terps have some kind of medical effect beyond taste, but until I have more of an idea of what that is I can live without.
I have been tempted to get some terpenes for my ecig juice, but that would attract attention. I was thinking about a touch of limonene at in the amounts in cannabis (1-2% at most), but I don't know about that or if it would be safe. Something lemon and something lime. That might be what is in my lemonade flavor I use and like.
I believe most cannabis has ~2% terpenes plus or minus and that's it. So a gram of terpenes could make many (50?) grams of extract. I would rather extract some tasty herb myself though and use the less tasty stuff for edibles personally. Good buds, shake or trim, good extraction, good evaporation/purge to preserve terpenes = good concentrate. If you see a club with a bunch of shake in their jars and they don't sell concentrate or in house edibles ask what they want for it. Some might be a bit decarbed though.
I believe most cannabis has ~2% terpenes plus or minus and that's it. So a gram of terpenes could make many (50?) grams of extract. I would rather extract some tasty herb myself though and use the less tasty stuff for edibles personally. Good buds, shake or trim, good extraction, good evaporation/purge to preserve terpenes = good concentrate. If you see a club with a bunch of shake in their jars and they don't sell concentrate or in house edibles ask what they want for it. Some might be a bit decarbed though.
herbivore21
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Yup, I pointed out in possibly the thread that Sativasam highlighted above that $100 per 10 drop vial no-doubt reflects the fact that terpenes are present in flowers in very, very low percentages compared to the major cannabinoids and even some of the minor cannabinoids in some varieties. It takes a buttload of EXTREMELY WELL GROWN herb to extract enough terps to sell as an terp only product (that is taken to full term, max terp production, ~50% or more amber resin heads - ain't no cutting down these flowers as soon as they appear!).
Tony V also mentioned in Hash Church as I pointed out elsewhere here that 1 drop can be added to 5g-10g of errl to have the desired effect.
Of course, you'll need to mix the terp drop into the material very well
Remember guys, if you add terps to something, be mindful that terps aren't all necessarily safe to consume in unlimited amounts/ratios, some terps are very flammable too (like D-limonene - with a flash point of 50 centigrade!) or otherwise volatile so don't store them or have them near any ignition source. Add terps into your oil only in ratios that are found in nature.
One benefit of the Blue River Extracts terps is that these as I understand it are a full terp profile solution extracted from genuine cannabis plants of the given strain. This means that the ratios of each terp to one another should conform to how they can occur in nature (ie: they have been tried and tested by us tokers for many years now!).
As such, the only remaining thing one really needs to worry about is to make sure not to put too many drops into too little earl and you'll not have to worry about potentially unsafe amounts of added terpenes.
For example:
You have your rosin, which may have anything from 5% terpenes and upwards. Let's assume 10% for the sake of not adding too much in case you have some pretty fire rosin already
I would advise adding only a maximum of 10% by mass (weight) of the oil you are adding the terps into. Eg for 1g of oil, add .1g of terps.
Please do not conflate mass (grams/pounds/etc) with volume (mls/fluid oz/etc) and do not use volume at all for this 10% ratio measurement. I know a lot of people say that 1g = 1ml, but this is only strictly true of water. I know some may be tempted to use volume to measure the terps (since they are liquid) - please don't. I can't say that this will work out well for you.
Understand that you will not necessarily keel over if you put too much terps into your dabs. Still, I won't give advice on this sort of thing unless I can be sure it is safe to follow (even then, the assertion of safety assumes that the blue river products are full terp profiles as isolated from a crude extract of herb - or directly from the herb some-crazy-how).
herbivore21
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Had a blast watching that the other night!
trichome_renaissance
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duplicate post - please see below
trichome_renaissance
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So I started to experiment with adding terpenes from Extract Consultants to the Holy Terps Peacemaker + Concentrate mixtures. I found that adding 1-3% ranged from slight boost, to strong boost, to fairly artificial boost of flavor. Remember that the Holy Terps already has some terpenes in it to begin with.
I've played around with linalool, d-limonene, and myrcene so far. I think linalool is the most remniscent of the actual terpene profile found in the Holy Terps Peacemaker. A 1:1 ratio of linalool to d-limonene added to boost the HT Peacemaker has been my favorite thus far.
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Budwiser
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Extract Consultants is expensive. I found this ebay store that sells for a fraction of the price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11168659411...1&exe=11473&ext=27979&sojTags=exe=exe,ext=ext
http://stores.ebay.com/cchemandsolventsllc/
weenstoned
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I don't think adding terpenes to dry herb is necessary provided you have good herb. The terpenes should be there and intact already. Certain extraction processes for concentrates result in a loss of terpenes, but unextracted herb should not face this problem as long as you store it correctly. Also plant matter taste is gonna be at the forefront of vaping herb most likely and I think it would hard to find the right balance of added terpenes that are noticeable yet not overpowering or gross.
Budwiser
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I don't care about the tastes I'm just concerned that I will overdose on too much added terpenes to weed ratio.
trichome_renaissance
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I wonder if those are food grade though......
Budwiser
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What if it's not? Is it not safe to vape?
Monsoon
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I've heard Bubbleman mention that nobody knows the safety of even food grade terps for inhalation. Food grade should at least guarantee it's a certain level of quality and is safe for regular ingestion.
trichome_renaissance
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Agreed. Nobody knows but I'll go with food grade, a wing, and a prayer for now!
Budwiser
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I just got confirmation from the seller himself that it is indeed food grade as well as lab grade. Sounds like a better deal than extract consultants that for sure.
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We do not sell d-limonene, but all the other products we sell are Food Grade
(9,817
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is this food grade (usp)?
Thank you.
Thank you.