ABV - Warning to all Vaporist dog owners

[WatTyler]

Also didn't all of our testing way back in the day that determined how harmless cannabis is, that they shot some German shepherd up with a ridiculously high dose and all he did was go to sleep?

I too have heard the story about the injected dog that just wouldn't die. But I read a page referencing research about this a few weeks ago where they did kill 'em. Just dug it up again. I haven't read the original, so I say make of it what you will. Seems there's slim chance of death from oral intake, but not impossible at upwards of 1 gram/kg. (that's one gram of D9 thc, so even fully decarbed it seems we're talking an awful lot of bud to be eaten). Still, stoned to death in any sense of the word can't be fun...

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e_2.htm

Thompson et al. (1971) under contract to the National Institute of Mental Health have recently carried out extensive studies in rats, dogs and monkeys in order to define the range of toxicity of the drug. The group used synthetic Delta 9 and A' THC and a crude marihuana extract (CME) of carefully define composition. Delta 9 THC was more potent than Al THC. CME was less potent than a similar quantity of A' THC.

Acute toxicity was studied using intravenous, intraperitoneal and oral routes of administration in rats. An LD50 similar to that reported by Phillips et al. (1971) was found by the intravenous route (20 mg/kg of THC) and intraperitoneal route (400 mg/kg) but higher values were noted with oral administration (1140 mg/kg). Interestingly, the LD50 for males was 1400 mg/kg while for females it was 700 mg/kg by the oral route. The minimal lethal dose orally was between 225 and 450 mg/kg.

An LD50 was not attainable in monkeys and dogs by the oral route. Enormous dose levels (over 3000 mg/kg of Delta 9 THC) were administered without lethality to most animals. A dose of about 1000 mg/kg THC was the lowest dose which caused death in any animals The completeness of intestinal absorption of THC at these high doses is unknown. Behavioral changes in the survivors included sedation, huddled posture, muscle tremors, hypersensitivity to sound and hypermobility.

The cause of death in the rats and mice subsequent to oral THC was profound central nervous system depression leading to dyspnea, prostration, weight loss, loss of Fighting reflex, ataxia, and severe fall in body temperature which led to cessation of respiration from 10 to 46 hours after single dose oral administration. No consistent pathological changes were observed in any organs. The cause of death when it rarely occurred in the higher species did not appear to be related to the same mechanism as in the rats.

Using intravenous administration, the acute one dose LD50 for Delta 9 THC was 100 mg/kg in dogs and 15.6 to 62.5 mg/kg in monkeys depending on concentration of the solution. The minimal lethal intravenous dose for dogs, also depending upon concentration, was 25 to 99 mg/kg and for monkeys 3.9 to 15.5 mg/kg.

In contrast to the delayed death observed in rats after oral administration, lethality in rats, dogs and monkeys after intravenous injection occurred within minutes after injection. When sublethal amounts were injected, central nervous system depression with concomitant behavioral changes similar to those observed after oral doses were observed. However, their onset was more rapid and the intensity of effect more severe with anaesthesia, and convulsions noted after injection. The monkeys and dogs that survived the intravenous injection of THC recovered completely within five to nine days.

 

[momofthegoons]

The problem, as I see it, isn't so much in medicinally dosing a dog (or animal), but in the accidental case of ingestion.

I would agree that there may be some validity in using mj, abv, or even tinctures in medicinally treating animals. But, it would have to be through a vet who was "on board" and could figure out the appropriate dosage. It works wonders for humans with cancer, etc., and I would think it could be beneficial for animals too.

 

[Puffers]

Forgot to add my father puts his ABV into his dogs food after a session. For one dog he did this almost daily for over six months to ease the dogs suffering as it passed. His current dog who is younger also gets ABV in the dog food. In my dogs case when I believe he ate something to make him sick (that's a lab for ya ) he showed marked improvement. Again i am not condoning people feed their dog a stash of ABV, just sharing my perspective.

 

[AGBeer]

Agree (and sorta) disagree as I have given my dog ABV (intentionally) before but WAY too much. (And he is still alive and kickin)

Here is the abbreviated version -
-Hes a SMALL breed (Maltese)
-I gave him too much (even for most adults now that I think about it)
-He puked initially
-He stayed lethargic/dizzy for 3 days

All throughout this time I had no worries of him passing. But damn if I didnt feel bad for him. :/

I havent given him ABV since then cause I feel like it was a rather traumatic experience for him and my dosage skills suck.

 

[6foot8guy]

Sorry for the necro but I wanted to add that ABV is not meant for animals and add my story. Because I didn’t secure what little ABV I had, 4hrs later and a 500$ vet bill.. I almost killed my dog.

She’s a blue nose pit mutt.. 62lbs. Probably ate what used to be about 8-9 grams. Not a lot of ABV, mind you..

When I found her after coming home her face was spazzing out, blinking all weird, threw up, couldn’t stand up, lethargic.. Dangerous stuff..

To top it all off I only own a motorcycle.. So I had to carry her 5 blocks instead of waiting an hour for a taxi or Uber!!

AVB IS NOT FOR ANIMALS!

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Hey all,

This may have been pointed out on this forum already, but my searches brought up nothing. Id like to share a terrible discovery I made this week. First of all, despite what many may say or think, marijuana, and its psychoactive ingredients, effect our canine friends dramatically different then they do ourselves. The proper does of active canniboids can can have serious adverse health effects on dogs, as they do not possess the receptors we do, and their genetics don't benefit as us humans do from the active ingredients.

Furthermore, many of you may say "Well my dog has eaten my stash and he/she was fine" remember raw product is typically unactivated, and when eaten not much active chemicals will be absorbed or digetsed. But as we all know, whatever meds are left in ABV are fully activated due to the heat process in vaporization.

This makes ABV very dangerous to dogs, for example, this week i accidentally left about 1.5 grams of ABV on my coffee table, and my 40 pound boxer gobbled it up, without me knowing, shortly after, we found her unable to walk in the back yard essentially catatonic. I rushed her to the vet, but on the way she fell into a coma, and upon arrival at the vet she had a dramatic drop in blood pressure, and heart rate. On the way to the vet I realized that she had probably eaten the ABV off the coffe table, upon arrival the vet was very unsure if she will survive. They had to use a combination of antihistamines, and steroids to get hear heat rate and blood preassre back to normal. Luckily abut 48 hours later she has recovered, and all is good. But it was a very close call, and an very expensive vet bill (Over 1k)

I jut want to caution everyone if you have dog to be careful with your ABV, and while many people think its fun to share the medication with there dogs, its not good for them at all.

I'm glad your dog survived. That must've been scary.

Yeah do please remember that cats and (usually) dogs are much smaller than we are, which in itself is a huge factor in how weed will affect them. Even giving 0.1 to a 4-5 kg (~10lb) cat will be the equivalent of 1.5g if it were scaled up to a human-sized 70kg (150lb). Which is a lot for a human with no tolerance.

So if you really do want to give your pet ABV, start with no more than a few crumbs.

While simple math can put certain things into perspective. you can't just do use it to decide which dose to use for humans vs dogs/cats, because different species process certain chemicals differently. Compared to humans, medium sized dogs can sometimes handle much higher doses of certain drugs (despite the mass difference), or much lower (even when accounting for the mass difference). Just look at chocolate. Even if the dose is proportionally similar to what a human consumes, a dog should still not be given chocolate.

Sorry for the necro but I wanted to add that ABV is not meant for animals and add my story. Because I didn’t secure what little ABV I had, 4hrs later and a 500$ vet bill.. I almost killed my dog.

She’s a blue nose pit mutt.. 62lbs. Probably ate what used to be about 8-9 grams. Not a lot of ABV, mind you..

When I found her after coming home her face was spazzing out, blinking all weird, threw up, couldn’t stand up, lethargic.. Dangerous stuff..

To top it all off I only own a motorcycle.. So I had to carry her 5 blocks instead of waiting an hour for a taxi or Uber!!

AVB IS NOT FOR ANIMALS!

I'm glad your dog made it, too.

 

[C No Ego]

as some of animals' senses are increased compared to mans so too will their endocannabinoid tone be affected more by cannabis. they have a micro tolerance

 

[looney2nz]

curious if a dose of CBD would help pull these dosed pets back into normal.

So far it appears that CBD helps animals, THC not so much.

 

[C No Ego]

curious if a dose of CBD would help pull these dosed pets back into normal.

So far it appears that CBD helps animals, THC not so much.

not sure on that cbd but- citicoline helps to stop THC effects and since thc effects animals like humans then it should stop thc effects... take 3 to 5 times more citicoline than the thc consumed... people take it daily in a few 1000 mgs so it is healthy ...

 

[little maggie]

I have cbd capsules that were designed for dogs. I gave them to my girl when I first got her because she was in such bad psychological shape. Her vet had prescribed valium. She's a small dog for a pit (under 50 lbs).
I haven't and wouldn't give her ABV. She leaves the room when I vape and I doubt she would eat her food if I added anything cannabis related to it.

 

[looney2nz]

I have cbd capsules that were designed for dogs. I gave them to my girl when I first got her because she was in such bad psychological shape. Her vet had prescribed valium. She's a small dog for a pit (under 50 lbs).
I haven't and wouldn't give her ABV. She leaves the room when I vape and I doubt she would eat her food if I added anything cannabis related to it.

how did she respond?

I've been trying to get a relative to try it on their dog who was abused by previous owner (big time PTSD, anxiety).

 

[little maggie]

how did she respond?

I've been trying to get a relative to try it on their dog who was abused by previous owner (big time PTSD, anxiety).

It helped a little as did the valium. She has PTSD also but with PTSD symptoms can be over and under arousal and it's the former that get more attention. She was like a zombie except that if I walked out of the apartment even for a minute she'd cry. I couldn't leave her alone. Anyway, what really made the biggest difference was a 1 session therapy treatment called TAT (tatlife.com) I was trained in it and used it with people but I scheduled a 30 minute skype appointment with the woman who developed it. It wasn't immediate but within a few weeks my girl kind of woke up and developed a personality. She is a very happy girl now, loves people and dogs and cats and only reacts on rare occasions like when I'm sweeping.

 

[Razor]

I thought I'd chime in here. All of this is true, but there are also good uses for this. One of my dogs had pretty hard cancer and the treatment was killing her as much as the disease. ABV given in different doses, was able to keep her actually active and happy until the very end. She would eat it, sleep peacefully and then just be a very happy puppy in her 15 years when she was awake.

In another instance, I used it to make a tincture for my previously feline leukemia stricken cat who is now a happy 7 years old with absolutely no detectable traces in his blood. The doctor at the time of diagnoses wanted to put him down right there. I've had him tested 3 times since and he's been free and clear.

My point is abv has a lot of cbd's and low thc. It has the ability to harm if taken lightly, but it also has the ability to help, heal and comfort. Even in dogs, cats and so forth.

Here is a batch tested sample chart

https://external-preview.redd.it/8DfEK1zPlD4Z_WU0uiX1Ip6UIp_GSlUQuyrno5noNZY.png?auto=webp&s=af9b8c762dcc58fdd331b5e0fc6f747ff4eae339

 

[ginolicious]

All depends on the abv was well. If it’s straight CBD bud I can see a ton of benefit.

 

[C No Ego]

I thought I'd chime in here. All of this is true, but there are also good uses for this. One of my dogs had pretty hard cancer and the treatment was killing her as much as the disease. ABV given in different doses, was able to keep her actually active and happy until the very end. She would eat it, sleep peacefully and then just be a very happy puppy in her 15 years when she was awake.

In another instance, I used it to make a tincture for my previously feline leukemia stricken cat who is now a happy 7 years old with absolutely no detectable traces in his blood. The doctor at the time of diagnoses wanted to put him down right there. I've had him tested 3 times since and he's been free and clear.

My point is abv has a lot of cbd's and low thc. It has the ability to harm if taken lightly, but it also has the ability to help, heal and comfort. Even in dogs, cats and so forth.

Here is a batch tested sample chart

https://external-preview.redd.it/8DfEK1zPlD4Z_WU0uiX1Ip6UIp_GSlUQuyrno5noNZY.png?auto=webp&s=af9b8c762dcc58fdd331b5e0fc6f747ff4eae339

that chart makes no sense ... how will THC-a be left over in ABV and not THC ? that light green color next to the yellow CBD looks like the THC -a color ... an I mistaken or not seeing that right ?

 

[shopdognyc]

Hey all,

This may have been pointed out on this forum already, but my searches brought up nothing. Id like to share a terrible discovery I made this week. First of all, despite what many may say or think, marijuana, and its psychoactive ingredients, effect our canine friends dramatically different then they do ourselves. The proper does of active canniboids can can have serious adverse health effects on dogs, as they do not possess the receptors we do, and their genetics don't benefit as us humans do from the active ingredients.

Furthermore, many of you may say "Well my dog has eaten my stash and he/she was fine" remember raw product is typically unactivated, and when eaten not much active chemicals will be absorbed or digetsed. But as we all know, whatever meds are left in ABV are fully activated due to the heat process in vaporization.

This makes ABV very dangerous to dogs, for example, this week i accidentally left about 1.5 grams of ABV on my coffee table, and my 40 pound boxer gobbled it up, without me knowing, shortly after, we found her unable to walk in the back yard essentially catatonic. I rushed her to the vet, but on the way she fell into a coma, and upon arrival at the vet she had a dramatic drop in blood pressure, and heart rate. On the way to the vet I realized that she had probably eaten the ABV off the coffe table, upon arrival the vet was very unsure if she will survive. They had to use a combination of antihistamines, and steroids to get hear heat rate and blood preassre back to normal. Luckily abut 48 hours later she has recovered, and all is good. But it was a very close call, and an very expensive vet bill (Over 1k)

I jut want to caution everyone if you have dog to be careful with your ABV, and while many people think its fun to share the medication with there dogs, its not good for them at all.

This is an old thread, but glad your dog recovered.

I had a similar situation with our puppy. I thought my bowl was clearly out of reach by him. I should have just put it high off where he couldn't get. Apparently after I left for work he found it and ate the leftover AVB. Coincidentally he had an appointment to go to the vet, and he was just not in a very righteous state. The vet threatened to report me, and berated my girlfriend. They couldn't do his shots and I had to take him back the next day. I gave my sincere apology and she just expressed she was concerned towards the puppy.

 

[ginolicious]

I knew two dogs who use to always eat the weed off the coffee table. Like legit ate full nugs back in highschool. Dogs were always fine. Could never leave your bud on the table though. Baggie. Or not.

 

[Razor]

that chart makes no sense ... how will THC-a be left over in ABV and not THC ? that light green color next to the yellow CBD looks like the THC -a color ... an I mistaken or not seeing that right ?

Not sure what you mean. The light green is THCA and most if it is converted in the after chart into thc. The right side pie chart is after the material is vaped which converts most of the THCA into THC. Initial cannabinoid profile is what was there before it was vaped. The light green color is much less in the after circle.

 

[jbm]

Argh. double post. bad internet. can't find the delete button.

There is none. Report your own post to a mod, who will fix it for you. Don’t ask me how I know this.

 

[shredder]

We give both of our small dogs CBD drops daily. The oldest one a 16 yr old Yorkie also gets thc drops for various age related aliments.

The drops we give them are preportioned to their weight.

A friend used thc drops on his golden retriever who finally died at age 18. The dog was diagnosed with cancer over 5 years ago. Her tumors shrunk and she thrived with the drops.

And I know of quite a few other examples, including a friend's large lab mutt ate a whole tray of medicated cup cakes. 23 cupcakes. He slept pretty much for 2 days but was fine. That dog would also eat live plants. A real stoner, lol.

 

[hinglemccringleberry]

Reason #17 why I HATE (thc) edibles.