grokit
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In plants or in humans? Does cbd intake somehow act as an agonist to thc effects?
A valid method to lower tolerance?
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chimpybits
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CBD effects do moderate the high of THC. CBD's anxiolytic effects apparently counter the anxiety-type effects from THC.
But I think Jeppy is just referring to the fact that increasing the percentage of CBD in the plant during growth does reduce the percentage of THC.
- edit. It's still a good point re: tolerance, and now would be a good time for me to explore some CBD rich strains.
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randybishop
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Hopefully this has not been mentioned (I did not read all the replies), I have read online that switching strains reduces tolerance.
smokum
I am who I am and your approval isn't needed!
'I' do switch up continuously myself (over the past few decades), but I can't really say that I've EVER had a tolerance issue or experience. 
But hellz.... if I 'DID' manage to somehow lower 'mine', I'd change the name from weed to acid personally
I've constantly had grow contacts before 'getting into it' and this shit has ALWAY been an easy trip/buzz for ME 
But hellz.... if I 'DID' manage to somehow lower 'mine', I'd change the name from weed to acid personally
I've constantly had grow contacts before 'getting into it' and this shit has ALWAY been an easy trip/buzz for ME xXxG0dzRAgexXx
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Might end up trying this. Just got a cold and vaping is definitely not a good idea when your throat hurts like hell. So once I get over this cold I'll probably try what the video suggests. The science behind it sounds plausible, but could possibly be complete BS
lwien
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Ya know, this whole thing reminds me of the weight loss business. There's millions of dollars being made on telling people how to lose weight. Go into any book store and you'll see hundreds of books dealing with the subject with many of those books being over a 100 pages long. Tons of doctors giving complex advice on what to do. Conflicting methods on how to lose weight.
But when it comes right down to it, it is a VERY simple process and if I wrote a book on it, it would be a half a page long. The weight loss industry purposely makes this issue to be a complex issue so that they can sell more books, more programs, etc etc. More carbs. Less carbs. Glycemic indexes. More protein. Less protein. Every damn weight loss idea contradicts another weight loss idea.
There's only ONE way to lose weight and that is, burn more calories than you take in. That's it. Simple as pie. Figure out how many calories you eat in a day and figure out how many calories you burn in a day. Simple. Pretty easy to figure out. Then all you do is subtract one figure from the other and bingo............ya know what you have to do. Exercise to increase the burn rate while cutting back on your caloric intake. Don't need no stiiiiiiinkin' books or classes or whatever.
Bottom line...............burn more than you take in. That's it. A calorie is a fucking calorie no matter where it comes from and the only ones who say differently are the ones trying to make a buck in the weight loss business.
And the same simplistic approach applies to this tolerance subject as well. If you want to lower your tolerance, vape less. That's it. Nothing complex about it. You can do that with t-breaks, or......you can do that with just cutting back.
Ya want to lose weight? Burn more calories than you take in.
Ya want to lower your tolerance? Don't vape as much as you did before.
It's kinda the same thing.
We really like to take simple shit and make it complicated when it's obviously................not.
Now I need each of you to send me twenty dollars as a consulting fee for the best advice that you will ever get on both of these subjects.
It's the only fucking way that I will ever be able to afford a Mighty.
But when it comes right down to it, it is a VERY simple process and if I wrote a book on it, it would be a half a page long. The weight loss industry purposely makes this issue to be a complex issue so that they can sell more books, more programs, etc etc. More carbs. Less carbs. Glycemic indexes. More protein. Less protein. Every damn weight loss idea contradicts another weight loss idea.
There's only ONE way to lose weight and that is, burn more calories than you take in. That's it. Simple as pie. Figure out how many calories you eat in a day and figure out how many calories you burn in a day. Simple. Pretty easy to figure out. Then all you do is subtract one figure from the other and bingo............ya know what you have to do. Exercise to increase the burn rate while cutting back on your caloric intake. Don't need no stiiiiiiinkin' books or classes or whatever.
Bottom line...............burn more than you take in. That's it. A calorie is a fucking calorie no matter where it comes from and the only ones who say differently are the ones trying to make a buck in the weight loss business.
And the same simplistic approach applies to this tolerance subject as well. If you want to lower your tolerance, vape less. That's it. Nothing complex about it. You can do that with t-breaks, or......you can do that with just cutting back.
Ya want to lose weight? Burn more calories than you take in.
Ya want to lower your tolerance? Don't vape as much as you did before.
It's kinda the same thing.
We really like to take simple shit and make it complicated when it's obviously................not.
Now I need each of you to send me twenty dollars as a consulting fee for the best advice that you will ever get on both of these subjects.
It's the only fucking way that I will ever be able to afford a Mighty.
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Beluga
Only you can prevent ganja fires.
@lwien I understand where you're coming from, but simplifying things isn't always the answer. For example, with your calories in, calories out approach. It does in fact work, but not simply because of the calories you consume. It has to do with hormones. Changing the types of food you eat, and taking into consideration your macronutrient ratios, is what really causes you to lose weight and become healthier. When taking hormones from food intake into consideration, calories in calories out becomes less important and the food you eat is what matters. Burning calories from crappy food can help you lose weight, but it also makes you feel crappy because of the food you are eating. This is especially the case for those looking to improve their overall health, not just their weight.
Similarly with vaping, people can simply take a tolerance break or use less. At the same time, this simplified approach won't work for those who deal with illnesses and use marijuana as medication. This is why I created the thread to begin with. I was hoping some people could share their views on tolerance and hopefully help some people who can't simply take a break and cut back.
Of course this thread helped me realize that this was the problem with the method I brought up from the start! It did work for me however, and I'd rather take that brief resensitization every once in a while than take an extended break. But like you said, even the method I use is taking a break and cutting back for a few days!
Thank you for your input. As I understand you are the tolerance king!
Similarly with vaping, people can simply take a tolerance break or use less. At the same time, this simplified approach won't work for those who deal with illnesses and use marijuana as medication. This is why I created the thread to begin with. I was hoping some people could share their views on tolerance and hopefully help some people who can't simply take a break and cut back.
Of course this thread helped me realize that this was the problem with the method I brought up from the start! It did work for me however, and I'd rather take that brief resensitization every once in a while than take an extended break. But like you said, even the method I use is taking a break and cutting back for a few days!
Thank you for your input. As I understand you are the tolerance king!
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lwien
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Yeah, when I was talking about weight loss, that was all I was talking about. It really is a simple matter of burning more calories than you take, but you're right in that you can do that in a healthy manner or an unhealthy manner. I've lost 50 lbs and I did it by counting my calories that I took in and made sure that it was 300 to 500 calories less than I what I burned. Calorie deficit equals weight loss. But to maintain health, I made damn sure that the calories that I did take in were not empty calories and I made damn sure that I didn't go into too much of a deficit where it would lower my metabolism. Takes a bit of time to reset that metabolic set point. Can't do it overnight. But the process is really simple and doesn't require any special diet. All it requires is a bit of common sense and moderation.
And I also think that in regards to tolerance, it too requires just a bit of moderation and common sense which I think could apply equally to the rec and the med user.
And I also think that in regards to tolerance, it too requires just a bit of moderation and common sense which I think could apply equally to the rec and the med user.
Ozyzj
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I think there is more to it than simply "not vaping" or "vaping less" as the video describes.
For example, I have tried an approach where my first vape session is kept nice and low, around say 340 degrees for 10 to 15 draws. Then later on, anywhere from several minutes to several hours later, I complete the same bowl at 390-400 degrees. My thought is that the initial low-temp, low-thc vape session sensitizes the receptors (the video mentions something similar to this), so later on in the day, when I'm getting a big thc-dense vapor cloud, my body is pleasantly overwhelmed much more than if I had simply blazed through the same load of weed in a single session. Maybe this is due to the essential oils that vape off at lower temperatures? Also, not all strains will give appreciable amounts of vapor at lower temperatures.
Anyway, the point of this is that I believe you can recreate the receptor-altering effects of the "take 1-2 hits" idea described in the video, simply by having your first session be very thc-light by using a low temperature or a low dial setting on your vaporizer, then after a waiting period, increasing the intensity while using a relatively small amount (.05 to .1g in my case, but tolerance will vary).
For example, I have tried an approach where my first vape session is kept nice and low, around say 340 degrees for 10 to 15 draws. Then later on, anywhere from several minutes to several hours later, I complete the same bowl at 390-400 degrees. My thought is that the initial low-temp, low-thc vape session sensitizes the receptors (the video mentions something similar to this), so later on in the day, when I'm getting a big thc-dense vapor cloud, my body is pleasantly overwhelmed much more than if I had simply blazed through the same load of weed in a single session. Maybe this is due to the essential oils that vape off at lower temperatures? Also, not all strains will give appreciable amounts of vapor at lower temperatures.
Anyway, the point of this is that I believe you can recreate the receptor-altering effects of the "take 1-2 hits" idea described in the video, simply by having your first session be very thc-light by using a low temperature or a low dial setting on your vaporizer, then after a waiting period, increasing the intensity while using a relatively small amount (.05 to .1g in my case, but tolerance will vary).
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EverythingsHazy
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I think he said 50%. not 15%.. 15% would be barely noticeable
Also....
I don't think Jeppy is saying that the reason cbd does whatever it does (idk what "withdrawal" means exactly in this context) to thc, is that it is taking up space that wouldve otherwise been occupied with thc.
If that isn't the case, "I think it's safe to conclude the intake of cbd will reduce thc tolerance." would be nothing more than a correlation.
chimpybits
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Yeah I would have expected 50 too. Does sound like 15 to me though. I've certainly cut my consumption in half or better.
Yep - nothing more than a correlation. Well summed up. That's what I reckon Jeppy was stating.
Tolerance to cannabis' effects occurs - doesnt matter if these effects are therapeutic, medical or recreational.
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biohacker
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@Beluga - you nailed it - hormones (predominately insulin, leptin, and ghrelin) are far more important factors than calories.
@lwien - calories are a very small part of the equation... it's more about the quality of food, and controlling insulin and adapting to a fat burning metabolism vs sugar burning. Add to that circadian cycles, water, exposure to blue light at the right and wrong times, and sleep quality. Calories in calories out is just another thing that the industry has sold us on, much like the "low fat diet" that has crippled our health over the past 40 years.
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/
@lwien - calories are a very small part of the equation... it's more about the quality of food, and controlling insulin and adapting to a fat burning metabolism vs sugar burning. Add to that circadian cycles, water, exposure to blue light at the right and wrong times, and sleep quality. Calories in calories out is just another thing that the industry has sold us on, much like the "low fat diet" that has crippled our health over the past 40 years.
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/not-the-calories-stupid-reply-to-time-magazine/
lwien
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All I know is, is that over the 70 years that I have been alive, I have lost 20 to 50 pounds about 10 different times over that span and I ALWAYS lost the weight simply by burning more calories than I take in..............nothing else. When I gained the weight back is when I wasn't consciously monitoring and adjusting my food intake with exercise.
Less food+more exercise=weight loss...................at least that has always worked for me. Quality of food, controlling insulin, fats (low or high), carbs, proteins, etc etc are also things I pay attention to for my overall general health, but when it comes strictly to weight loss, for me, those things didn't mean a thing.
momofthegoons
vapor accessory addict
@biohacker lwien was just using the calories in/out as a comparison to his opinion on lowering tolerance. Let's not derail this thread by putting the focus on that.....
Beluga
Only you can prevent ganja fires.
Have you tried using the higher tempuratures from the beginning of a session? How different does that feel? It's interesting this works for you because it's like a version of the method in the video without the break.
It would also be interesting to see if you're more or less sensitive depending on how long you wait to start that second higher temp. session.
Jeppy
Pure Vaporist
Increasing intake of CBD in humans will reduce THC levels in humans. Here is a simple self test if you have access to strains of both high THC/lowCBD and strains of high CBD/lowTHC. Here is the test to see if CBD does indeed lower our tolerance to THC, and you will be the judge. The first part of the test will require one to totally stop intake of cannabis in any forms for one week. First part: no intake of cannabis for one week. After one week of refrain, vape a normal amount (for you) High THC. Take serious note of your effects. Continue high THC usage for one week. After one week, begin usage of high CBD for an additional week while refraining from THC. After CBD use for one week, stop and begin high THC. Carefully note the effects and compare. Conclusion: If THC effects are more notable after use with CBD than total cessation, it is safe to conclude CBD lowers THC levels. This conclusion can be safely drawn without use of scientific blood levels.
Beluga
Only you can prevent ganja fires.
But if you are using a high CBD strain for a period of time then you're still taking in THC, even if it is very small amounts. This would make me believe that small amounts of THC "prime" your receptors to be more sensitive.
The high CBD effect may be only correlation, not causation (as stated before).
lwien
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I reread it three times............completely. Of course, my comprehension could be a bit flawed.
Ozyzj
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Nearly all of my sessions are where I quickly adjust the temperature in a single short session (start low, end high to finish off), so it's very rare that I will separate my sessions by temperature like in my previous post. This is why I noticed such a big difference since it's uncommon for me to vape this way.
When I begin my session at a medium-high temp (or progress quickly to it), I get a good effect but it never feels "overwhelmingly powerful" the way it does when I separate my sessions by temperature and a waiting period (I've only experimented with waiting periods between 10 minutes and ~3 hours).
I think there is a lot of potential with this method, especially for those who are looking to maximize effects with minimal herb. I've found that early morning is a good time to run the low-temperature vapor since I'm not really looking for big effects when I wake up. I would encourage anyone interested to begin their session by vaping off the light oils at ~340-350f until you distinctly feel the slight "head" effect felt with low temperatures. I think once you feel you've reached a "plateau" with the low temperature you've chosen, you've set yourself up nicely to absorb higher levels of THC from the higher temperature settings.
grokit
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Sorry mom, just a quick pic and a link for the interested 
Plant-Based Diets Show More Weight Loss Without Emphasizing Caloric Restriction
Plant-Based Diets Show More Weight Loss Without Emphasizing Caloric Restriction
Jeppy
Pure Vaporist
The CBD would eventually deplete all THC, and afterwards the only THC in your system at any time would be trace amounts. So minute, they would offer no notable effects. Also of which would be depleted by higher CBD levels.But if you are using a high CBD strain for a period of time then you're still taking in THC, even if it is very small amounts. This would make me believe that small amounts of THC "prime" your receptors to be more sensitive.
The high CBD effect may be only correlation, not causation (as stated before).
This is all i know. I am just sharing information that was explained to me. Obviously, i have lost my 'explanation' skills. Lol I will say, however, that my sources are credible, and I'm not just pulling this out of my booty.MOD: sorry. Can you run my last response with this one. Apologies
mod note: Apology accepted.
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Beluga
Only you can prevent ganja fires.
@Ozyzj I can't test this out myself, as I have an MFLB. Your method does sound interesting though!
I'd love to have a nutrition discussion, but I don't think it would be worth it to make a thread. And for some people, nutrition is like religion and politics! It can get violent.
No matter how low the amount, there will still be THC in the system. It's not as though CBD gets rid of THC. At least that's my!
That's what makes me believe that the low THC primes the receptors.
Sorry mom, just a quick pic and a link for the interested
Plant-Based Diets Show More Weight Loss Without Emphasizing Caloric Restriction
I'd love to have a nutrition discussion, but I don't think it would be worth it to make a thread. And for some people, nutrition is like religion and politics! It can get violent.
No matter how low the amount, there will still be THC in the system. It's not as though CBD gets rid of THC. At least that's my
! That's what makes me believe that the low THC primes the receptors.