7th Floor Vapor Tamers

[cluffy]

OK, I had to start this thread so we can post everything in one spot. There is a LSV--vapor tamer thread here but I want to discuss the Vapor Tamer and how it works with different vapes.
I have the Original, the Fatty, and the Saturn. I've used all with my DBV (SSV standard HC and tubing plus VB mini wand) and the Original restricts the airflow a bit. The Saturn offers no real noticeable restriction if any at all and I think the Fatty even less. With my new Underdog and its 1/4" stem the Original is just as good as the Saturn, it just won't hold the cold as long. The Original was awesome with the MFLB but I haven't tried the Saturn with it yet.

I wish I could help with the original VT but I'm not getting one. The general consensus is it's just not enough though I have heard from people who love it. None of the VT's will stay reasonably cold for more than 20 minutes but I'd say 10 for the Original, 15 for the Fatty, and 20 for the Saturn. That's just an estimate, I will do an experiment in the near future.

I'll post some vid links here. Please excuse my intoxication, I only seem to make these videos when I'm nearly incapacitated! I was razzed on the chat for the way I wiped the frost off the tamers so I wasn't gonna post the first one but I can laugh at myself as hard as anyone...
Original vs Saturn
Tamed Dog
Original + Waterpipe

I hope this thread will help answer all questions VT related as it grows.

CHEERS!
Edit: changed Fatty to Original because that's what it turned out to be..

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

nice videos man caNT wait to get mine

 

[Nycdeisel]

very cool!

im interested in getting one of these for my logs and my supreme

 

[Phizix]

Definitely interested in some kind of cooling for the rockzap I just bought.

I can't decide between some kind of hydratube, a vapor tamer, or just another small glass bubbler/bong. My main concern is having no whip tubing and creating a really good air seal.

The concensus on the tamers (at least the bigger ones) seems to be that they are pretty cool overall (pun intended) but don't hold the coldness for very long. I don't want to have to put the thing in the freezer every 20 minutes if thats what it takes for it to work well. I'd rather just have a piece ready to go at all times.

Do the Vapor Tamers cool better than water when fully cold? How quickly does that effect drop off?

Do you feel a difference between a dry cooled hit (tamer) and a wet cooled hit (bong)?
Is a waterpipe more "moist" than with the tamer? Any noticeable differences?

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

i was wondering im gona buy either a bubbler perc or a bong with a percs probably can spend 350. to run my ssv an rock zap through. so if i get an 18.8mm bubbler or bong will the rock zap stem fit right into to hit.

if not what do u have to do to make it fit

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[cluffy]

@Phizix: Sadly you do have to keep putting the VT in the freezer every 20 minutes, 10 is better. I can easily get where I want to be in 10 minutes or less, usually 5. If you put the VT back in the freezer right after a session it will be back down to happy temp in 1/2 hour or so.
BUT I think it's worth it. I've never had a hit as cool as a VT'd one and I've tried many ice bongs. I think it also moistens the hit or at least it feels like it. Frost forms in the VT tube when it's used so maybe the warm vapor picks up that moisture, I don't know. I just compared a VT hit with a bong, this one: black onyx
The VT hit feels more moist, maybe just because it's so cold. I'm still working on the cold time experiment plan and anxiously awaiting my RockZap. I'll let you know how the stems fit when it comes.

 

[FLskwat]

So we received our wholesale order from 7th Floor... And in there was our Saturn VT and Fatty LSV VT with the 2 respective blue mouthpieces!

I was disappointed cause the Saturn (mine) was leaking and was covered by a thin layer of glycerin. It seems the leakage comes from a porosity in the glass "button" that I suppose was used to fill the VT with glycerin, then sealed with glass... So I have bought a specific glass filling glue to see if I can fix it (though it lost a little glycerin and is not totally full)...

Of course 7th floor is aware and I'm sure we will find a solution as we always had with such a nice company!

So the saturn is a little wider /heavier/bigger then the fatty. I think for LSV users, I wouldn't recommend the Saturn (for ergonomic reasons) though it will work. Their cooling power is impressive and the fact that it is DRY but cold vape is impressive...specially for an AquaVape user as I am: no drag, no bubbles but smooth vapor!!!

I will of course use those on all my vapes and report progressively on their pro's/con's and compared to a device such as the AV!

 

[cluffy]

FLskwat, glad you're enjoying the Tamers, too bad about the leak. Do you think that the vape is a little moist from the condensation or is it just me? I want to get a mini fridge with a good freezer so I can keep the Tamers cold right at my desk instead of going to the kitchen all the time. Also I plan on sewing 2 bottle shaped beer coolers/"coozies" together for an insulating jacket for the Saturn. I'll post a pic when it's done.
Happy Vaping!!!

 

[FLskwat]

Do you think that the vape is a little moist from the condensation or is it just me?

I am not sure I understood that correctly...
If you mean that the internal blue glass path gets a little wet because of condensation: Yes confirmed!
If you mean the external "housing" of the tamer gets a little condensation too: Yes confirmed!

Oh I just re-red your question, and it was crsytal clear! ;-) Yes I'm sure that the thermic shock ongoing in the tamer and the resulting condensation moists our delivered vapor!!!


@Phizix: leave me few days to compare bro'...but I have the 2 tamers, the Aquavape and a SGW bubbler and quite a vape collection so I might be able to answer your interrogations on pro's and con's of the different cooling/moisturizing techniques/accessoires out there on the vape market!

 

[cluffy]

I got these two pieces of glass from mountainglass.com. today. The big 19mm female makes a perfect handle so now I can use my Vapor Tamer mouthpiece all the time and I don't have to shove the tube into the Vapor Tamer when I use it. I had to wrap a thin piece of silicon around the tube but it works great.

The 14mm will be a glass stem for the Underdog once I get a couple stainless steel pieces to hold the screen in place.

<edit> Here's a quick video of the handle, with the Vapor Tamer it's like a big popsicle!!!
Vaporsicle

 

[VaporNation]

I'm looking at getting a Life Saber here pretty soon and was curious about the vapor tamers, well I think after reading this that it would be an investment well worth it. Icy glycerin and water filtration through a bong, best case. Cheers!

 

[FLskwat]

I got these two pieces of glass from mountainglass.com. today. The big 19mm female makes a perfect handle so now I can use my Vapor Tamer mouthpiece all the time and I don't have to shove the tube into the Vapor Tamer when I use it. I had to wrap a thin piece of silicon around the tube but it works great.
http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa326/stevenwithav/IMG_0132.jpg

The 14mm will be a glass stem for the Underdog once I get a couple stainless steel pieces to hold the screen in place.

<edit> Here's a quick video of the handle, with the Vapor Tamer it's like a big popsicle!!!
Vaporsicle

When great minds meet...
So I repaired my leaking Saturn with a special glass repair kit powder + glass filling glue (to -140 c to + 200 c resistant, you can see the repair around the blue botton on the top = white cloud around knob) I went naturally to my personal vape arsenal for the same reason as you cluffy (not wanting to hold the damn ice bottle, lol) and found fro the same reason one of the MW bowls I don't use... TADAM:



So the advantage is : as it is a bowl it has a thin gauze protecting the internals of my saturn for 90% of particles and a "finger handle"...it's totally awesome!
About the insulating sleeve I thought just the same but the looks are so nice that I think I'll pass!

BTW, showing the pics of my leaking Saturn yesterday to the 7th floor team got me a new saturn in the mail ASAP...So again THX to this wonderful company I'm proud to be a partner with!

 

[Vitolo]

I'm looking at getting a Life Saber here pretty soon and was curious about the vapor tamers, well I think after reading this that it would be an investment well worth it. Icy glycerin and water filtration through a bong, best case. Cheers!

The VT was actually made to go with the LSV!
The screen goes in the male end, and the VT itself connects direct to the LSV, and the Vaper tamer becomes the Mouthpiece!
Please check this out----> LSV with VAPER TAMER

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

hey i got a 9mm illy ice pinces defused stem yesterday love to hit rock zap an ssv through it the saturn vape tamer is the groung glass bottom 14.4 so i can jut put in bong. my stem gg is 14.4

 

[cluffy]

@ guitarscreamngrowler: Sorry dude, it's an 18mm GonG fitting, u need an adapter.

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

thats fine yea my stem is 14.4 so you need an adapter that goes into it to make it a 18.8 size right. whats size of mouth peice hole 18.8 to. they sell them at head shops right

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

my stem is 14.4 is this what im looking for http://aqualabtechnologies.com/glas...male-to-18-mm-female-expansion-adapter-1.html

 

[cluffy]

I'm still not sure what you've got going on guitarscreamngrowler, but that adapter will fit on the VT. And yes, both the female mouthpiece end and the male end are 18mm GonG.

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

sweet thanks bro well im gonna turn my new illy into a coil one, well from stem ill use adapter to put VT on then other end ill put a bowl, or ill attach ssv through the top of vt. send it through vt then through water then through ice my illy has ice pinches haha.

 

[Vitolo]

We got some creation going on!

 

[guitarscreamngrowler]

the ssv water pipe attchment is 19mm it says, will fit in the 18.8 part of mouthpeice of the vaportamer.

 

[pngwyn]

Awesome thread, I have been really interested in picking up a VT.. though I am not sure which model yet..just picked up LSV recently. Right now I am considering the old version VT or the Saturn tube.

Do you get a better hit/experience through a VT than just using ice in a bong? Also I am curious about the heaviness/ease of use.. especially with the LSV, I am afraid the Saturn might be TOO big to use comfortably with the LSV.

FLskwat: Is that circular blue mouthpiece one of the ones from LSV too? I would love to get one like that if I purchased a VT, but the ones I see are only the flat oval ones. Also "*Colors are a preference but not a guarantee. We will choose from what we have in stock. " kinda scares me.. I would get a blue VT, would hate to order a colored mouthpiece and get a completely different color...

Lastly, is there any concern in inserting a frozen glass joint into a heated glass joint (frozen VT -> heated LSV?)

I like the fact you can use the VT with so many different things, so maybe the new Saturn is the way to go. Reminds me a lot of the Illadelph coils. Any input is appreciated.

 

[cluffy]

pyngwyn, I would have concerns about the frozen VT in the LSV myself but they recommend it right on the site: vt w/ LSV

Also I have seen a video in which the action took place though it is no longer available. Perhaps the creator of this video will step forward and attest to the LSV + VT symbiosis.

 

[pngwyn]

Yeah I think I have seen the video you're talking about. I'm just somewhat concerned because the LSV bowlpiece can get quite hot, and I know really hot + really cold + glass isn't always the best combination. Perhaps if I insert it before turning on the LSV then it would diminish all risks.

I will probably end up picking one up soon. Now the only question is what color xD

 

[Vitolo]

pngwyn
Yes the VT is cold... and the LSV is very hot.
As a vaporist, you will be alert, and place a screen in its end... fill with herb, and isert into LSV and use.
When done with your hit/hits... you will not be hanging around with the frozen VT inserted into your LSV.
You will separate the pieces, till next hit
Hot and Cold only meet for a minute at a time.. and it is OK because it is borasilicate.
Juts dont go out of your way to drip ice cold water onto a red hot HC repeatedly.
I use my LSV with VT regularly, and never had an issue!
cluffy ... a re release for educational purposes- LSV with Vaper Tamer