Re: safety, I'm not sure why it would be different than any other log. With a constant wattage, you need a lot less. The thermal mass is more so it would take longer to stabilize, but temp should be similar. It's just a matter of if the core is insulated from the wood enough. And from the pic, looks like a decent sized air gap.
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Yoosh
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Please check out the 2ZM thread below for the latest news. I would not recommend ordering anything from Herbaltherm. https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/2zm-by-herbaltherm.54697/page-15
Reach out if you need anything. Best wishes
Reach out if you need anything. Best wishes
CharmCityVapeGuy
Known to some and enigma to others
Well that sucks. Just sent an email to cancel.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Well the prototype certainly lives! 
IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
This is pretty cool. Does anyone know if the holes/windows on the side were just for prototype demo or if the final models will have that also?Well the prototype certainly lives!
coolbreeze
Well-Known Member
It will have windows but they will be a little different, more like a big hole joined to smaller holes above and below.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah because it is left on it builds the heat too much with the wood, he cut those large rough holes for the prototype, but as CB said the production model will be a bit different with more of a rounded double tear diamond shape for the holes, larger hole in the center that narrows on the top and bottom...
Another thing he mentioned is how the glass balls are so separate from the heater, the heat will rise and warm them up a bit, but generally they get warmed by the convection heat through them, they are primarily there to even out the extraction regardless of how long that large heater sits heat soaking
DgN'R
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No idea 
contact Ryan/Goose via the contact page on his store or ask the question on the herbal therm forum, as I doubt you'll get a coherent answer here (I don't think there's a HT representative here anymore).
Ryan told me on October 14 that it would take another week or two as he was waiting for the fuses. So it shouldn't be long now, I think.
contact Ryan/Goose via the contact page on his store or ask the question on the herbal therm forum, as I doubt you'll get a coherent answer here (I don't think there's a HT representative here anymore).Ryan told me on October 14 that it would take another week or two as he was waiting for the fuses. So it shouldn't be long now, I think.
DgN'R
Well-Known Member
It's simply a male-to-male adapter for use through water.
IAmKrazy2
Darth Vapor
Update for me. Talked to Ryan yesterday and he is going to send me a beta unit for feedback. Should have it by this weekend. Ill be sure to jump in here and let you know my impressions.
Ryan sounded very excited about extraction and vapor quality, but admitted no one else has tried the unit at this time. Sounds like ill be the 2nd person to give it a crack.
Excited for this one. I really think it is going to be an extraction beast after discussing with Ryan
Ryan sounded very excited about extraction and vapor quality, but admitted no one else has tried the unit at this time. Sounds like ill be the 2nd person to give it a crack.
Excited for this one. I really think it is going to be an extraction beast after discussing with Ryan
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Similar, yet different, the design and build are almost nothing alike yet there are some visual, material and functional similarities
I gotcha. I watched the youtube video after I posted that goes into a bit more details about the heater in there.
Cheebsy
Microbe minion
At the end of that video he says the balls are "heated by convection heated air"... That will just reduce calories available for the bowl for that first hit unless you leave it to equalise for a reasonable time. Ball vapes suffer when the balls aren't being directly heated, the extra balls end up acting like a heat sink taking heat away from the hottest part and reducing efficiency.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Yeah he is trying to market lol
I would not consider this a ball vape at all, the heating element is below the balls, instead the balls just act as airflow diffusion, pulling some of the heat out and redistributing it for more even extraction without hot spots... There are others that use this type of design actually, although it was never phrased as convection heated ball vape before?
Anyway this is an equilibrium log vape so it should have a bit of warm up time, and be left running, not used to power on demand, only on demand in use and removing glass stems etc...
The balls are also simple boro glass, not the rubies you see in heating elements typically, so yeah I think it is pretty negligible, the real power comes from the stainless steel mesh high surface area heater as usual, it's just flows through the glass balls yes as a heat sink, overtime they will warm up and become part of it too, but yeah... Different designs, don't get bogged down by whatever marketing terms
Yes they are supposed to remove the heat, "reduce the calories" since there is too much power building up the heating element
Cheebsy
Microbe minion
Yeah, I'm pointing it out to others that it's marketing spiel...
There nothing wrong with using Boro in a heater matrix. Sure it has different properties, probably for our purpose lesser qualities, but boro should still work fine. Just not as fine as something with a larger specific heat value, and therefore greater calorific capacity. Also corundum can recieve and supply more calories in the same space of time as Boro.