30% of the THC is exhaled

[Troi]

Rather then forcing ones lungs to inhale and exhale constantly, isn't the better solution much smaller hits?

 

[420izzle]

I take big enough hits to allow for a gasp of air at the end. I figure that gets me to about 80-90% capacity. The exhale though, I think is just as important, as noted below. Post by studmuffin (his lone post from this thread: http://www.fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=3192

I am a recent visitor on this site, and I enjoy reading the wide variety of posts. I am particularly amused by the rampant misconceptions regarding herbal imbibing. As a medical professional, I would like to offer an inhalation technique for effective ingestion. I will endeavor to minimize the "nice to know" from the "need to know" details. Forthwith, . . . A long and steady draw, filling the lungs from bottom to top, consciously using the diaphragm, is most effective. Prior to reaching capacity, inhale your last 20%, or so, of lung capacity, with fresh air. Your body is programmed to react to the level of CO 2 in your bloodstream. By mixing some fresh air with a vapor hit, you should be able to retain the vapor in your lungs for a longer amount of time, thus maximizing the interface time between the active ingredient in the vapor with the 700 million or so alveoli in your lungs, which is where the assimilation occurs on a cellular basis with each heartbeat. After 10 or so seconds of holding the vapor/air mix in your lungs, exhale a small amount slowly for 3 seconds, then inhale more fresh air, then exhale a bit again, then exhale a bit, then inhale a bit, etcetera, until after a short while you have expelled the entire "hit". This is the most efficient technique, from a physiological perspective. I hope that this makes sense. Vape on !

 

[pakalolo]

thus maximizing the interface time between the active ingredient in the vapor with the 700 million or so alveoli in your lungs, which is where the assimilation occurs on a cellular basis with each heartbeat.

This touches on another reason why you can't get 100%: some of the vapor is always in parts of the air passage where the tissue simply isn't the right type to absorb it.

As for that off-topic dicussion above: ewwwwww, wayyyy too much information.

 

[420izzle]

Rather then forcing ones lungs to inhale and exhale constantly, isn't the better solution much smaller hits?

I believe if that works best for you, the more power to you. Our lungs/diaphragms are of all different sizes and to each his/her own.

About six years ago my doctor did a lung xray. I was still smoking cigarettes and the herb. He said there were some dark spots - pre-emphysema like symptoms. I had the classic "smokers voice" / "pot lung" symptoms going for a few years and it was time to quit for me. But one thing he said that I thought, hmmm, all the years of taking huge rips paid off (and climbing mountains?)...he said "you have MASSIVE lung capacity, perhaps 150% the average person!" Now, I am a tall guy, and we do live at higher elevation, but I like to think that it's also the herbal exercises I do.

So, long story short, I quit smoking cigs, bought a vape and feel better than ever for it with strong, large-capacity lungs. The short rips just don't float my boat.

 

[luchiano]

@pakalolo

It's natural man(as long as there's no odor and pain) and shouldn't be looked at as ewwww only ahhhh because you know you're doing it right and she's happy . We should never make women feel like their bodies and what they exude are nasty, especially when we want certain things done that involve our essence, because that means more inhibition on her part and less fun. Women are more sexual than men(they just can hide it better) which is something I love so why stop them from having fun if it's gonna give me some pleasure. As long as she is safe and not sexing anything moving I love the sexual freedom women have now. Plus once you get used to it you can tell when she is ovulating and when she isn't which means extra green backs in your pocket. Don't get me wrong "I luh the keeds, luchiano luh the keeds", just like to have money also and a little less stress because the world is enough.

@420izzle

I have a theory that using bongs along with herb is actually a good way to exercise your lungs to be better than the average persons because you are making them work to bring all the smoke to the lungs and the water is acting as a resistance so it's sort of like a light resistance training for the lungs but of course smoking is not needed like that once you have a good vaporizer. You're also bringing air deep into the lungs which helps activate the parasympathetic nerves and this is the relax and repair nerve which may be one of the reasons why cigarette smokers have so many problems while hookah smokers don't, the cigarette smokers are not telling their bodies to repair damage done from the smoke because they only do shallow breaths which is the sympathetic nerve activator while hookah smoker go deep with inhalation and the parasympathetic nerve is activated and does what it can to clean out the lung area. Plus other factors come into play but I think this a good factor in the problems associated with smoking cigarettes.

A good way to also get that vapor deep into the lungs like a bong is to fill up your lungs with just enough of concentrated vapor that it doesn't look like a lot(not thick and milky) and then flood the lungs with fresh air and hold it only to be released through the nose when finished for more absorption and better flavor sense.

You want a small concentrated vapor instead of a thick, milky one because that means, for the most part, there is less air diluting the vapor and when you inhale the fresh air that will do the diluting and help expand the lungs which will bring more blood to the lungs which will enhance absorption.

For most vaporizers going slow as you can will give this concentrated vapor so you would want to go so slow that it seems like you're lungs are barely moving, it will be your mouth doing a good amount of the work if you understand what I'm stating and do this for 5-10 seconds and when finished inhale a huge amount of fresh air and hold for as long as you can and exhale slowly through the nose. The more you do it the easier it gets.

When I state your mouth is doing the work what I mean is if you wrap your lips tight on the wand it creates and effect that makes the inside of your mouth make a suction type of environment and as you slowly open your jaws the vacuum like effect gets stronger and all you have to do is inhale this vapor into the lungs which is very easy.

Look at this video of a Jamaican puffing on a chalice to see what I mean but instead of letting smoke out on each puff guide it to your lungs by keeping your mouth closed and go much slower than he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gkam4mHuZ4

 

[pakalolo]

luchiano: I don't disagree with anything you said, I just don't write about my experiences in bed, especially in graphic detail. For that there's lots of porn sites and this is a vaporizer forum.

 

[luchiano]

I didn't write it in graphic detail. That's why I gave the dinner party story. Only people who need to know will know what I meant. Plus it was just a small paragraph done in a joking manner it wasn't that serious and even if it was we are all adults, young and old. I don't see nothing wrong unless I made a whole post and thread just dealing with it.

If I offended you sorry but I guess sex is just part of who I am and when I'm around adults I don't think there is anything wrong with making a little comment about it especially if I have advise that can help others have better sex, which I hope we all want, and the advise relates to the rest of the conversation.

 

[DeepFried]

luchiano, I like reading your posts, they are always very informative and contain information that when researched is very true. I understood your analogy and thought it was presented in a very polite and respectful manner.

 

[pakalolo]

I didn't write it in graphic detail. That's why I gave the dinner party story. Only people who need to know will know what I meant. Plus it was just a small paragraph done in a joking manner it wasn't that serious and even if it was we are all adults, young and old. I don't see nothing wrong unless I made a whole post and thread just dealing with it.

If I offended you sorry but I guess sex is just part of who I am and when I'm around adults I don't think there is anything wrong with making a little comment about it especially if I have advise that can help others have better sex, which I hope we all want, and the advise relates to the rest of the conversation.

No apologies necessary and no offense taken.

As you were.

 

[The Budget Gourmet]

meow

 

[nr-cole]

So we've got about fifty different ideas about how to improve efficiency. Personally I just try to hold my hits in as long as I can, although sometimes it's a lot of fun to see that big-ass vapor cloud come flying out

 

[Nycdeisel]

Would that not be solved by simply holding the vapor in longer or doing the "re-breathing" method?

 

[lwien]

Yup. I do the re-breathing method. Full vapor hit, hold for 10, let a little out, breath in.......hold, let a little out, breath in, let a lttle out. I can milk it like this for 3 or 4 times and on the last exhale, there is very little vapor coming out.

 

[HazyDayz]

That why im not keen on bags really, not only are you losing THC when you exhale, your losing too high a percentage to the bag as well.

 

[Mr. Smoke No More]

I wouldnt agree that you lose a too much vapour which condenses in a bag. Im not overly keen on bags either but i do use them from time to time with others. I find it takes like 20 bags or so before there really is any significant film on the bag. Also i never really let the vapour sit in the bag for any extended period of time though, probably never much more than 1 minute total once the heat is removed.

 

[pakalolo]

I wouldnt agree that you lose a too much vapour which condenses in a bag. Im not overly keen on bags either but i do use them from time to time with others. I find it takes like 20 bags or so before there really is any significant film on the bag. Also i never really let the vapour sit in the bag for any extended period of time though, probably never much more than 1 minute total once the heat is removed.

I don't like bags either, although I do think they are the best way to share vapour with more than one or two others. After a few bags, they taste (and smell) too much like ABV. As for percentage lost to the bag, though, I think you're right. It's insignificant compared to the lossage on exhale.

 

[Egzoset]

Intuition alone tells me that a bag would make sharing convenient indeed but there's more: i just wouldn't want to touch Salvia Divinorum without at least the additional amount of control provided by a bag over dosage...

 

[420izzle]

Excellent info>>> So glad to be here
@ luchiano: I totally get what you are saying. Watched that vid
too...love watching people (rastafarians etc) get high and all spiritual.
I actually do practice that type of method! As lwien said, I do, with the whip I 'coax' the vapor up using my mouth like a vacuum pump.

I've been playing with combining the re-breathing and bagging exhales
techniques and I think with good reults. After a while, I feel like
just taking a pull and not worrying about the rest!

 

[notmyrealUSERname]

Yup. I do the re-breathing method. Full vapor hit, hold for 10, let a little out, breath in.......hold, let a little out, breath in, let a lttle out. I can milk it like this for 3 or 4 times and on the last exhale, there is very little vapor coming out.

i am guessing that this may be a big reason why you have such an 'ideal' tolerance level. i am going to start playing around with this technique. time to get efficient!

 

[Carbon]

I don't like bags either, although I do think they are the best way to share vapour with more than one or two others. After a few bags, they taste (and smell) too much like ABV. As for percentage lost to the bag, though, I think you're right. It's insignificant compared to the lossage on exhale.

I'm not hard up for herb but I won't really fill more than four bags on my volcano for taste and vapor density reasons. Obviously the amount of appropriate runs will vary slightly based on bag size and amount of herbal material packed.

Intuition alone tells me that a bag would make sharing convenient indeed but there's more: i just wouldn't want to touch Salvia Divinorum without at least the additional amount of control provided by a bag over dosage...

Don't most regular vapes not produce the heat necessary for fully vaporizing salvia? I've read that the best vape for that is actually a heat gun system (ala Vriptech's old system with the Steinel).

 

[Egzoset]

At some time a Steinel heat gun seemed to be the appropriate way to vaporize Salvia Divinorum. I actually ordered one but my local distributor changed his mind and cancelled in the end (i think it was because the same distributor in a city nearby had a price tag about two hundred dollars higher!)... Then i started investigating portable products (for example the Lotus then the VapBong). I'm still trying to solve the heat source issue.

What about a dirt cheap hot air rework station as those used in electronics? Just for the purpose of staying on topic, i'd like the heat source to be powerful and accurate, like a Steinel heat gun: once finished chances are there's nothing left to vaporize...

 

[pakalolo]

I'm not hard up for herb but I won't really fill more than four bags on my volcano for taste and vapor density reasons. Obviously the amount of appropriate runs will vary slightly based on bag size and amount of herbal material packed.

Understood, but I was referring to the permanent effects after maybe 6 fills or so. I honestly don't remember the exact count, but it wasn't too many. Even a few days later vapour from the bag tasted and smelled like ABV starting right from the first fill, which should be the tastiest of all. I have two bags and both of them got like that. It makes sense to me because vapour inevitably condenses on the bag, so I can't see avoiding it.

It's not a big issue for me because I don't share with more than one other person at a time so the whip is fine, and for portability I have my LBs. Not that bags are that portable, but before I got the LBs that's how I took vapour upstairs to my office.

PS If you want to continue this discussion, let's start another thread. This is off topic here.

 

[momatik]

Maybe this is where a glycerin tincture based e-cigarette cartridge thingy would serve a significant purpose.

Glycerin, as I understand, produces those visibly pollowy clouds from e-cigarettes and shisha (hookah tobacco).

If, hypothetically speaking of course, glycerin based cannabis tincture cartridges became mainstream at some point, they'd provide us that with that in between of clouds without having to have a necessarily high % of cannabinoids.

Efficiency problem solved

 

[OO]

Maybe this is where a glycerin tincture based e-cigarette cartridge thingy would serve a significant purpose.

Glycerin, as I understand, produces those visibly pollowy clouds from e-cigarettes and shisha (hookah tobacco).

If, hypothetically speaking of course, glycerin based cannabis tincture cartridges became mainstream at some point, they'd provide us that with that in between of clouds without having to have a necessarily high % of cannabinoids.

Efficiency problem solved

i'm not certain, but my theory is that it would not work because the glycerol works with hookah tobacco because nicotine is somewhat water soluble. i believe the active compounds in pot are far from that, they're mostly non-polar.

...i'm vaked and can't finish this thought....

 

[momatik]

Really? I've read multiple guides online of gylcerin extractions, because apparently it acts similar to alcohol. From what I've read, it's effective but takes longer than using alcohol or a combination of the two.