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Having owned both, I suggest the GnOme over the vapocane.

From my understanding, according to Troi, the Cloud can not be sold under MSRP. The distributor can include any accessories/store credit/whatever they deem fitting, as long as the price of the Cloud is unaffected.

That is so the MV can maintain the desired temperature.

It's going to be a big step-up from the HA; I can tell you that much. Welcome to the ranks, Live-N-Learn. :rockon:

The vaponic should never be used with out it's outer tube. Doing such would defeat it's whole design. The ubie can be used in a convection-like manner(although not very well). Requires some screens and trial and error but it is possible.

That "beeping"("whirring" is what I'd call it) is actually the unit going through heat cycles. When it senses that it's below the specified temperature, it will do that.

An "old model" Cloud upgraded to +, actually. Hope VXL is able to answer your question better than myself.

I have no "plastic" in between my cloud "core" and heat cover. Looks as if it may be a spacer used to properly position the heat cover that wasn't removed before shipping.

I have established a room on tinychat for all FC members who wish to participate. http://tinychat.com/fcgettogether

Truth is stranger than fiction, as they say :shrug:. Purely conjecture here but does S4L have some older batteries/units from MV? May have received that instead of a more up to date version?

Definitely seems like a power supply issue. I've had the MV do the same when I had run the battery too low. I'd say the batteries are the culprits here.

Very perplexing how your unit(s) seem incapable of proper function with the battery. Have you spoken with Jorge about this? Hate to see a minivap not reaching it's full potential and satisfying it's user.

I invert my Cloud from time to time and have never had a cap fall. They are significantly more loose after cleaning though. Perhaps you may need to "dirty" the cap a little to prevent this.

I may get a tinychat room set up for FC members later on today after I'm home.

I wonder if running the vapman "dry" before first use would cause this to occur. If it does, that would prevent the burnt wood taste from getting into your vapor when you actual have it loaded.

I think as long as you'd have some form of protective case for the GnOme the fragility of it shouldn't be a problem. If you are looking for a flame-based vaporizer that can take a beating, there are about three(that I'm aware of). The lotus, the vaporgenie, or the Supreme vaporizer. I own the...

Having vaped for so long; I don't think there is anyway I could go back. There is no pleasure to be had with smoking(for myself). The taste is acrid, the smoke irritates my entire respiratory system, odor clings to everything... just too many negative aspects...

The Cloud truly is something that needs to be experienced to be believed. :haw:

I think FC's got that covered too. ShipDit and mvapes, I'm looking at you. :cool:

I don't think you're going to find another site with such a diversified/knowledgeable community as this one. From what I see, the "law of the land" here is very fair. Refrain from attacking users, vapes/their manufactures("constructive" criticism is fine), and don't discuss moderators/moderation...