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    Arizer Air II

    I'd forgotten about this unit. IIRC it's true (and obvious) convection for the most part, like say the ESV is? That is you sense with a T/C the heater temperature and hold it to some controlled value? Any idea in degrees F what that temperature is? If it's really using a lot of Radiation...
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    Vapman

    If this is defective, you should be so lucky...... Mine has the Fahrenheit pan, of course.......maybe that's the problem? OF
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    Vapman

    Wow! That's sure nice, and way more service than any other maker I can think of off hand, but it seems a bit pointless? By the time I get it it's cooled right off....... OF
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    Vapman

    I never did on any of mine. A quick wipe with some ISO on a paper towel or bit of cotton and press on with enjoyment. Remember to 'sneak up on vapor' in steps to find where it is and once you start to get a grip on it, 'don't be too shy with the heat'. Combustion is not fatal, unpleasant but...
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    Arizer Air II

    Yep. From another perspective 'it got closer to the real temperature of the herb' explains that part? Convection (hotter air blowing by) is making that so of course, but not contributing useful energy to make more lovely vapor (not possible at 300F). Given that, it's what I'd expect to be...
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    Arizer Air II

    What does your friend say? I agree, the gear is OK, it gave 'believable' temperature readings in the second case. Since the temperature (where vapor is made) is the same in both cases, we have a reporting problem? Ironically it also gets inverted in the process. Fun how that happens (or at...
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    Arizer Air II

    Yes, I agree, it is a problem with your experimental setup. The data is not valid for that reason. Notice a couple of very important differences with your second graph. First off the temperature reading is very believable. 380F is realistic for vapor, 300 is not. Notice the shape of the...
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    Arizer Air II

    Thanks for the confirmation. I vote Instrumentation Error here. The readings are all artificially low? Worth checking the calibration I guess, but that does seem to explain what we see? Ironically I can see how it could lead a guy to think it was a convection vape (except the temperatures...
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    Arizer Air II

    That sounds like a classic 'instrumentation error' in such things. In such cases heat is conducted up the (metal) leads quite easily making the temperature of the metal lower than it should be. Thermodynamics again, the flow of heat up the wires impacts the heat transferring into the T/C...
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    Arizer Air II

    Great graph! Shows what I found on Ascent I think. You can see the rapid recovery between hits ("heat soak"), something like six seconds (1/3 of the box which is 18 seconds wide). Fits with observations? Cool. Also you can see a 'floor' for the drop where equilibrium is reached where heat...
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    WTF Is Wrong With America And Gun Control?

    Interesting grouping. Some would group it with Freedom of Worship, the Press or Public Speech? Or 'Due Process' protections? Constitutional Rights? I get the view "America is or was founded on the gun", and to an extent support it, I just don't agree fully. IMO it was founded by a group...
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    Arizer Air II

    Tim! Yer still with us? They said 'you was hung'.......maybe they were talking about something else...... I kinda lost track of you when you started into that work thing, but you seem to have survived it as well. Glad to hear your Solo is still giving good service. As @ataxian says...
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    Arizer Air II

    For sure, this is done sometimes. Advanced controls, called 'PID' do this, like the cruse control in your car. You start up a hill and it senses it's going to be a tough climb so it opens up early on against defined rules. It then watches as it approaches the target speed (temperature in our...
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    Vapman

    I think I can help you with that. PM me and I'll give you an address to send them to, I can guarantee they'll be appreciated and used.......... Glad you got on board with VM, neat tool for sure. Functional Art made of the optimum materials for the job by a very clever fellow. A true 'cut and...
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    Arizer Air II

    I think sometimes this is a useful technique, but it's still conduction. The results might be 'convection like' (in that the herb is heated to working temperature for each hit, and approaches from 'the low side' where vapor is mild), it's still conduction doing the work. The need for a 'heat...
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    Vapman

    Yup. Now if we could only invent the silent torch lighter...... We've discussed this a bit before. While I think we can light the flame silently (the piezo gives it away with the clacking), a small battery provided spark perhaps, the roar of the flame is also a problem that probably doesn't...
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    Arizer Air II

    Hey, Folks, a perhaps useful insight into the impressive heat up time and other anomalies can be seen in PIU's 'breakdown': http://blog.puffitup.com/2017/11/arizer-air-2-teardown-and-disassembly/ As I 'read' this the heater is now a resistor (heater) stacked up with the sensor and bolted down...
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    Vapman

    Buckwheat! That bring back some memories. I read one of those 'what happened to the Our Gang gang?' things the other day. Lots of loosers in the Gang in later life. As can and does happen, of course, but it struck me at the time 'Hollywood types had problems with it then as now'. On the...
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    Arizer Air II

    Solid advice, I bet. That is doing those things will get you higher temperatures at the load and more complete extraction (faster). And darker ABV. If it really was convection, the advice would be to speed up the draw (and bring in more heated air), right? IMO the advice (and sound advice...
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    Vapman

    Luck is relative. It's just slow as far as we know, you expect it in a day or two? It could have been involved with a big weekend party and even gone home with a lucky Customs Agent? That means you'll never get it, it just 'got lost....'. I hear they have drawings toward the end of the...
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