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Yeah probably gonna do that if they don't remedy this, hopefully they do though, hate returning stuff, its a hassle lol Oh wow, you can break it that easy with the normal ones....kinda scary, yeah gonna wait till I get the others for sure then.

Yeah pretty damn good deal, hopefully they make it right, battery isn't included though, they made sure to put no battery included in the Product overview section, that would be amazing if it came with the battery though :D!

Thanks, gonna use these graphs, hard to explain stuff sometimes to people. Nice resource here.

I think I might have been just burnt, I ordered this: http://www.gotvape.net/vapolution-vaporizer-standard.html thinking it was a deal because it came with Buddy Vaporizer Bowl and the All in One Wonder Vaporizer Bowl but I just received it and it does not have either of those. Emailed them...

I see, will check that one out, 30 is very reasonable. This site says 15ml is equel to about 10 packs, thats not to shabby if true.

Any brand I should look for, if I got him a liquid pen I would want it to be one with a clean vapor path, possibly made in America(No hate towards china/etc..,just that there is a better possibility that he would be open to it because of this...:\). I saw something about VaporZone, not sure if...

If I had money to blow that one would be pretty high on my list haha.

Wow 3-5 years? Thats using it multiple times a day? Pretty incredible, guess batteries are getting better. Thats good to know, would for sure use food grade on it, from a health standpoint alone. Thanks :)

Not me, I still look for the 3 inch screen smartphones when I got to buy one, hate giant phones...everyone I know wants tablet sized ones and I just can't understand, its harder to hold, you feel it in your pocket, I am pretty much like Zoolander.

Seems the VM3 is 225 now at vapenow, probably still not worth it but worth a mention. My fav part of the description: "There is a reason that the Volatizer VM3 Portable is significantly more expensive than say the Vapir Oxygen Vaporizer. This is a top of the line unit and with it you should...

Any usage vids on this one? Interested...

Nah, plus we have seen vids of it in use, pretty normal sized imo.

To tell you the truth that would be the only reason, kinda silly I know. I was always a bit iffy about it also when I did look into it a couple years back out of curiosity, I mean who to trust? At least with pure organic tobacco you can see and taste if anything is wrong with it, the liquid...

Kinda, thing is he never was a fan but his health is an issue right now and this is suppose to be a surprise present sorta thing pretty much to try to convert him(Hence me trying to find a heavy cloud one to appease the smoker side in him), I am doing my mom a favor by picking one cause her life...

Looked into the Firefly, not really a fan of it to be honest, the firewood does seem nice. gotta look at that one more also, the hammer is a bit odd imo and looks like something in a toolset, not bad but not really sure its ideal for him, so far the Pax and the Da Vinci look like they produce...

Hmm not sure what to go with now, I am looking at the Da vinci one now, seems alright for a 100 dollar vape, have to see how the airflow/circuitry is layed out, is it a clean path like the Pax and a couple others? I really don't think he will like the T-Vape, he likes to hit it constantly, the...

Isn't that basically a more expensive Pinnacle Pro with more hassle? Thats what I found out by looking at them, that its basically the Pro with cartridges that eventually need replacing. I could be wrong though....

I see, that seems more logical charging wise, PAX just got back to me, seems its 125 to replace a battery even in warranty, wish it was user replaceable but I guess with the way its made that was not feasible, kinda costly for a battery replacement though. Wondering how many years it will last...

When you say keep the mouthpiece up when you charge, is that the normal position, it comes with a charging stand right?

Thanks for the nice explanation nihil, it sounds pretty much perfect, I think he can get use to the cleaning of it, as long as its not an everyday thing, once or twice a week seems reasonable which some say is all it needs it seems. Yeah I will order the cleaning supplies separate, seems like a...