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(maybe this isn't the right subforum maybe community discussion idk) . I wanted to take this discussion out of the lotus thread as I consider it can be a constructive discussion. First of all I want to say I don't think the lotus price is excessive compared to other vapes. My issue is just that...

Here is an eleventh one. It's not me that gave that price in the beginning. Edit : I think @Grass Yes was referring to me Here. But if @Abysmal Vapor has to apologize just because the free shipping advertised doesn't function it says something of the fanbase/yes men mentality dominant here.

Like the advertised price of 89 euros ( clearly stated on this thread) wasn't applied either... at least for the consumers of the same continent than the producers. That's a no no for me. It's like "the Lotus is coming back for ther super price of 89 euros !.. yeah !" But you got to pay 130 to...

Too bad it doesn't dysfunction by being cheaper. But I guess if there are fans (more than consumers) ready to order no matter the price or dysfunctions...

This. Also high temp close to combustion cloggs things faster. ( more heavy stuff flying). I like the metal stem I got 2 days ago I feel it gives a more powerful/ steady feel in hand and helps a bit with the long convection draws being longer. Shorty performance is close though and metal feels...

My fusion screen was bent inwards natively when I received it. Works fine though. The vape gets clogged faster at the spiral than the screen. My spiral was alot dirtier than pic above after one week :lol:

It's a honest torch or rebranded anyway cheap and stable. You can buy 2 or 3 in a China estore. But yeah they show this preorder offer like a special one while it's just average and special only in the way you support them for the rebirth.

I dig that black cap. Maybe I'll wait a bit to buy mine maybe on BF. Olive wood will still be there with other choices and I dont care too much for the handbrhush thingy. How much more expensive will it be I wonder?

It ads 21.60€ estimated VAT on 89€ while VAT is 20% in France 22% in Italy. Shipping is 19. Just saw vapman site works the same. They could at least not add this few extra euros on their estimation... definitely bad marketing for EU customers. I guess the gravity center of the "fanbase" is north...

I refuse to pay more than that for getting it shipped next to northern Italy. It would be nice to have a clarification @Max Jitter

It shouldn't cost more shipping included in the EU if it's produced in the EU anyway....

I recommend to wait for EU customer. I'm almost sure there is something wrong with the site.

Hope it's a really nice jhook... beeing the most expensive I have ever seen.

Maybe the site is still like it was based in the US ?

I think it's the VAT that's normally included in price not custom fees.

A bit of a turn-off when in EU there are no custom fees so the price is 110 not 89. In EU taxes are included in the price law says unlike the US. Tax less prices are for wholesale only. It's legal because they add taxes in the cart but kind of a bad surprise. When we buy in other EU shops we...

I guess my wand is a bit stronger or my click lower temp. I go over a minute sometimes to finish a half spent bowl from cold from cold but it always clicks before 1 min worst case 45 seconds.

Where will we be able to pre order the zx, here or on the site ?

It surprises me with all the experience you have on similar vapes that you can't nail it... saw your twinkering with the blackleaf wand....And as I can see your taste matches with this butane unregulated style.maybe there is something wrong with yours.. or you're right maybe the difference is I...

Reading you reminds me of my first reaction. Have you tried setting the airflow to half a hole and heating like 8 seconds after the click with a medium torch ? I can get too dense vapor that makes me cough if I want. I think what you say is mainly a click temp problem possibly combined with a...