FROLIC by Limelight Herb

dude_de

Well-Known Member
by 1hr and 15’ he already said
The vibe changes drastically when he starts on demand mode at 1hr 44'. In the end, he stays with his opinion that session mode is not perfect yet but on demand mode is "where it's at". He says the AVB looks way more evenly roasted after on demand mode.

Mine is out for delivery and should be here in four to six hours :-)
 

Drsoapp

1008
Action starts 45 minutes in and by 1hr and 15’ he already said that the frolic seem to need stirring, and so he prefers the Venty. That the airflow is better on the Venty (does he have the same device you have? Did he compare the vapes with half shut airflow on the frolic?)
I don’t know if he changes his mind later.
He didn't try the ondemand yet. His toughts about that are opposite. Maybe the session mode reguires some differend technigue.
Edit: didn't notice @dude_de had allready answered🙏
 

dudeguy

Well-Known Member
Having tested my Frolic a few times now I think mine might have a faulty heater :huh:. I get barely any vapor and green AVB in session mode (at least under 200c) and in on-demand only in temps above 210c and even then I have to heat up for at least 10-15 seconds. I usually pack the bowl full but not packed tight. Further testing needed though maybe I am doing something wrong.
 

dimmusp

Well-Known Member
That's nothing! According to the original tracking, mine was supposed to arrive on Saturday (shipped from the Netherlands to the Netherlands). Then nothing, until yesterday it turned up in Hungary (half a continent away)... I hope to get it soon but at this point I'm keeping my expectations low 😅
I finally got it this morning!

The packaging is beautiful. Definitely passed the wife's first impression test. 😁 I know it was basically created by a single guy, but I can't in my right mind call it an "artisan" vape when it looks like it was made by Apple in a parallel universe.

This thing oozes quality. It really feels like Storz & Bickel decided to create a TM2 killer, but made it even nicer than the usual S&B vape (I own a Crafty+).

I haven't had a chance to vape with it yet, but one thing I noticed is that the cooling unit isn't hard to remove at all. I guess the European models that shipped later had the o-ring lubricated? Still, I think it would be easier if you could just twist it to remove it (maybe Dejan avoided that on purpose due to some kind of S&B patent)?

The whole device is heavier and bigger than I expected, but it's very well balanced and is just a joy to touch and look at.

The main button on the side is in a good location and I love the LED, but I wish it was a bit firmer / clickier like the power button on my OnePlus 13 phone. It feels like there is a sweet spot to click it, with the lower half being more responsive than the top half.

I like that the mouthpiece doubles as a tool for opening the battery button, but I think that the "walls" around the button make it unnecessarily hard to do it with your bare fingers. I guess it's a tradeoff of looks vs function.

The screen and the buttons at the bottom are great. Very clever decision because if you want to you get all the details and control, but otherwise you don't see them and the vape feels minimalist with the single button on the side.

The stir tool feels high-quality, but I don't want to scratch the bowl so I will probably continue to use my trusted bamboo cocktail pokers from the local supermarket: https://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi413931 they have the perfect shape, size, price, and material 🍸😁

I'm very curious how it will work with small loads, and how smooth the vapor will be native.

The included Molicel P50B battery juuust about fits in my SkyRC MC-3000 charger, but it does. I love how massive it is compared to my puny 18650s!

The shipping was a bit of a shit show 😅
At first I was told it would arrive in the Netherlands last Saturday, then it did a little eurotrip during the week and was supposed to arrive on Thursday. Shortly before the expected time they said it would be delayed to Friday. And then on Friday they delayed it to Saturday... So about 1 week total from the moment it was shipped to the moment it was finally delivered. I would recommend using a different company next time.

But I'm oh so happy to finally have it in my hands. 🥳

More to come. Congratulations, Dejan, this is an incredible debut for your DHV line! 🙂
 

Dejan LimelightHerb

Well-Known Member
Manufacturer
Having tested my Frolic a few times now I think mine might have a faulty heater :huh:. I get barely any vapor and green AVB in session mode (at least under 200c) and in on-demand only in temps above 210c and even then I have to heat up for at least 10-15 seconds. I usually pack the bowl full but not packed tight. Further testing needed though maybe I am doing something wrong.
I have messaged you, you might need to calibrate the device. A few also slipped uncalibrated apparently. So far, we have 2 debowlers missing, one vibration motor not always working, 3 uncalibrated devices, one oven lighter spot, dry O-rings, sorry if I forgot anything. Oh yes, one customer said he wasn't getting along with the device and will return it, also, somehow, my test unit got shipped out, a replacement was immediately sent. The rest has been dealt with or will be on Monday. Not that bad for a whole batch, the next one will be mint hopefully, I have made changes so the QC is even more extensive.

Speaking of the QC, we had long and multiple burn-off cycles for each unit, I will use these cycles to check the performance with a probe so 2 in one. Anyway, did anyone notice any awkward smell when they received the device or were they pretty much odorless?
 

Gorf

Well-Known Member
It wouldn't have bothered me but it was only after the cracking noise. Before that it was not like that.
But if you say that it is the same for you and Dejan says it is ok, I'm ok with it....the only question now is what was that intimidating sound? I hope it doesn't happen again.
If it's just a pressed fit or slip fit construction, and the pieces expand and contract with heat cycling you could hear a distinct snap, crackle or pop during heating and cooling. The pieces would kind of stick and slip during the heat cycle.
 

maremaresing

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Accessory Maker
My love for making the frolic has got me to start making my own drip tips for it. This is a high flow 510 mp, fitting a whopping 6mm aperture into the narrow insertion part. It's so freaking awesome to look at and use and omg this device is so neat.

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Having tested my Frolic a few times now I think mine might have a faulty heater :huh:. I get barely any vapor and green AVB in session mode (at least under 200c) and in on-demand only in temps above 210c and even then I have to heat up for at least 10-15 seconds. I usually pack the bowl full but not packed tight. Further testing needed though maybe I am doing something wrong.

Definitely do this. While I was super happy with my frolic properly calibrated out of the box (TCR 96), I nudged the value up to 98 and feel the frolic became twice as good. Dark even coffee brown ABV at 235C using v3pro dosing caps.

Earth shattering extraction
Room hazing clouds
Happy MMS

I think the frolic is endgame for me for a long time. I cannot get over this device.

Speaking of the QC, we had long and multiple burn-off cycles for each unit, I will use these cycles to check the performance with a probe so 2 in one. Anyway, did anyone notice any awkward smell when they received the device or were they pretty much odorless?

THANK YOU. This shows in the fact that I got zero smell when it arrived and I did burnoffs. Like a toasty aroma from the scorching hot heater doing a burnoff, but nothing unnatural or untoward.
 

Dejan LimelightHerb

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Manufacturer
I wanted to thank everyone again and address a few things if that's OK. Feel free to dispute me. I don't mean to insult anyone with what's said.

Thermodynamics. The Frolic features a well balanced convection to conduction ratio. Why is this important? To most, it isn't. I went in to these details to achieve something connoisseurs would appreciate. Vapor texture, flexibility, with basically unlimited fine tuning options, moisture content and texture of the ABV, etc. About the ABV, this method of extraction will form a mark at where the air meets the herb first, but the level of this scorching is entirely different if caused by air vs if caused by direct contact and it will not affect the flavor. The uniqueness of the thermodynamic balance here lies in the fact that this heater is the hottest in the middle and cooler towards the outer radius, where the oven touches the oven which results in an around 30% cooler oven than that of the air in the passive phase and this radiant heat is responsible only for liquifying the oils to avoid phase skipping during evaporation. In the active phase, the oven heats up to the temperature of the air and plays a role in the evaporation process plus during post cooling acts as a heat reservoir which ensures industry leading on demand response. The TCR regulation was left on purpose and the results speak for themselves. This is a device for the pros and the resulting "bonfire" effect is welcomed here as it adds yet another variable for fine tuning the experience since the temperature rises with the duration of the draws. A downside, the temperature is not exact, but then again it never is on any vaporizer, only the deviation here is more pronounced. I have never claimed garbage like + - 1 degree precision and such, and these things are plain lies. What works better, I leave up to you, in general, proper vaporizers have coils which heat up at the temperature vaporization should happen at (large surface area coils), while inferior, cheap vaporizers use small, usually spiral coils, similar to those in e-cigs and pods, which have a small mass and heat up at much higher temperatures to keep up. The cooling is a story of its own and possibly even more complex to achieve. I won't go into heat exchanges, velocity, etc. here as I have explained this in more detail earlier, you can be a judge of how well this works.

Construction. There are almost no mods in the industry which are CNC machined. The ones that are, are designed in such a way that CNC machining is as cheap and fast as possible. The Frolic has 4 extremely hard to process parts which require a lot of time and precision and advanced machines (6 axis are required for the body, 4 for the CU). Why is this important for you? It isn't. I could have molded these parts but would have to use tricks to hide the imperfections like large ribs across the body or other deep textures. Also, I would have less flexibility with potential changes in the future if needed. Also, I am very anal with design and I wanted this to feel solid and in line with Brutalism. The device is larger as a result of the modular construction which I have introduced to vape mods almost a decade ago. But the whole thing can be taken apart and put back together in minutes and each component replaced or upgraded. So this is a tradeoff I was happy with.

Safety: I have anxiety about stuff and like to play it safe. The battery compartment is separated with an air gap, as a consequence, the battery stays cooler and the internal resistance of the battery lower resulting in longer battery life. The PCB has an added NTC sensor which cuts off power 20 degrees lower than the built in chip protection (So at 60 Celsius), which might be low but it is how it is because of the above. The device is meant to be used with more airflow which cools things down, reduced airflow will result in the protection kicking in. Cooling the device for a few tens of seconds will sort this out and so will larger airflow and shorter draws. I did not mean to make anyone walk on eggshells while using the Frolic, so this is definitely something to work on. Most will never encounter this though. All other battery protections are in place of course as well as charging only while the device is powered down. The Frolic is CE and RoHS compliant.

Materials: There is no polycarbonate, no FR4 circuit boards, no wood and no bare aluminum and no anodized aluminum in the airpaths, which I consider to be the entire path that the air travels through the device. "Medical" devices are 100K EUR to the big guy and a pinkie promise. Anything can get certified and that means absolutely nothing. I have said this before, take the Frolic apart, take other devices apart, inspect them and see for yourself. The airpaths are PEEK, the heater and mesh disks stainless, a few ceramic rods, a silicone seal with a few square mm of surface exposed in the airpath. The Aluminum oven has been diamond cut to reduce the surface roughness then hard anodized (Not to be confused with common anodization, which has no place in the airpaths as it lacks the chemical and temperature resistance). Hard anodization is one of the safest finishes you can have. All O-Rings are FKM. The body is Ultem (PEI) and there are a few anodized parts, out of the way of airpaths, top and bottom plate and buttons and the battery cap.

Pricing: The Frolic's main issue is the rate and cost at which they can be produced and this is something that I need to deal with. It currently stands at 2-4 times more than any other device on the market, but at this time, that was not the main concern of mine as I need to prove other points first, so the Frolic is priced relatively low for what it is.

Upgrades: Some small meaningful upgrades will come as you can see from earlier posts but these will always be reverse compatible with the current layout and nobody will get left behind, especially the early adopters who put their trust in me. When a meaningful upgrade comes along, which cannot be implemented in the current layout, a new device will be released, probably with a yearly dynamic as I am constantly working on this. Will it make the current issue obsolete once it comes to that? No. If you are happy with your device it serves you well, you are good.

Final words: I wrote the above post to hopefully address all the concerns and questions affiliated with the Frolic. Is it perfect? Absolutely not, exactly the same as every other thing or product in the world, and this is actually a good thing because I accept this and am willing to work on bettering this which will result in faster and more dynamic evolution. My goal is building a name for Limelight and positioning it at the top of the industry and consequently, you will benefit from this. I will not wait for years to release only a meaningless upgrade, simply because a product still sells.

I hope the right message came through.

P.S. Here's the teardown video. Would have been kind of pointless if I did it, so I let Maja do it.



Stay great!
 
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2tiki

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The Frolic is the only vaporizer on the market with a convection to conduction ratio in favor of convection which many claim
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that there are no other actual convection vapes that are mostly convection, and that in reality they are mostly conduction? Because that is absolutely not correct.

Also, remember that portable vapes are not the only vapes. But even if you meant to say "portable, battery operated vapes", that's still definitely not true.

Hopefully I just misunderstood what you meant by that.

Thanks for posting the teardown video. One thing I'm confused about is how is the oven not part of the air path? You made it sound like there is no aluminum in the air path, but also refer to the oven as being anodized aluminum. I couldn't tell from the video where that part was compared to everything else. Are you saying that the air that is heated by the oven, never actually touches oven (edit because I accidentally wrote air again)? Or if by oven you mean the area where the herb sits and gets heated is anodized aluminum. Because if so, how could that not have the air you breath, touch the aluminum?

Thanks in advance for any clarifications.
 

Numerous_Nothing

Well-Known Member
Take the following with a few grains of salt, as I'm still a DHV rookie, and all of my devices are new to me. But I am (at least currently) in the camp of LOVING mine, including as compared to my PH TM2. There's nothing wrong with the TM2, and there is much to love about it. But with both within arm's reach, I find myself reaching for the Frolic.

My most recent two sessions (which were not exactly the same - so I must try again "for science") the TM2 ended up a bit scorched (I ended at 10 at beast mode), but the Frolic stopped producing vapor and the ABV came out as a uniform chocolate brown "puck" (from the TM2 capsule). My next comparison I will need to design in advance - either start and increase to the same temps, or stick with one temp.
 

Drsoapp

1008
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that there are no other actual convection vapes that are mostly convection, and that in reality they are mostly conduction? Because that is absolutely not correct.
I understood that is only hybrid that has conduction but which is mostly heavily convection. I think mighty etc are more conduction than frolic
 
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Hagbard

Ritual Devicer
Speaking of the QC, we had long and multiple burn-off cycles for each unit, I will use these cycles to check the performance with a probe so 2 in one. Anyway, did anyone notice any awkward smell when they received the device or were they pretty much odorless?
yep. there was a bit of an awkward smell. but did a few empty burnoffs and it was nearly gone. the oven was fine but the CU had still a bit left. wiped it off with ISO and thought it had to run in a bit...
 

TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that there are no other actual convection vapes that are mostly convection, and that in reality they are mostly conduction? Because that is absolutely not correct.

Also, remember that portable vapes are not the only vapes. But even if you meant to say "portable, battery operated vapes", that's still definitely not true.

Hopefully I just misunderstood what you meant by that.
I think he is specifically talking about the Convection/Conduction ratio of devices and he's saying the Frolic is the only one where convection > conduction in the ratio. From the text:

" the Frolic is the only vaporizer on the market with a convection to conduction ratio in favor of convection which many claim. There are convection vaporizers and conduction vaporizers and hybrid vaporizers, but with a ratio in favor of conduction."
Thanks for posting the teardown video. One thing I'm confused about is how is the oven not part of the air path? You made it sound like there is no aluminum in the air path, but also refer to the oven as being anodized aluminum. I couldn't tell from the video where that part was compared to everything else. Are you saying that the air that is heated by the oven, never actually touches oven (edit because I accidentally wrote air again)? Or if by oven you mean the area where the herb sits and gets heated is anodized aluminum. Because if so, how could that not have the air you breath, touch the aluminum?

Thanks in advance for any clarifications.
What I read is that he made the distinction between anodized and "hard anodized". There is no anodized aluminum in the airpath. The oven is definitely in the airpath but it is hard anodized.

From his text:
Not to be confused with common anodization, which has no place in the airpaths as it lacks the chemical and temperature resistance). Hard anodization is one of the safest finishes you can have
 

Dejan LimelightHerb

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Manufacturer
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. Are you saying that there are no other actual convection vapes that are mostly convection, and that in reality they are mostly conduction? Because that is absolutely not correct.

Also, remember that portable vapes are not the only vapes. But even if you meant to say "portable, battery operated vapes", that's still definitely not true.

Hopefully I just misunderstood what you meant by that.

Thanks for posting the teardown video. One thing I'm confused about is how is the oven not part of the air path? You made it sound like there is no aluminum in the air path, but also refer to the oven as being anodized aluminum. I couldn't tell from the video where that part was compared to everything else. Are you saying that the air that is heated by the oven, never actually touches oven (edit because I accidentally wrote air again)? Or if by oven you mean the area where the herb sits and gets heated is anodized aluminum. Because if so, how could that not have the air you breath, touch the aluminum?

Thanks in advance for any clarifications.
Edited because true or not, who am I to talk about this, thank you for pointing that out, note taken. Also, no I did not mean it in the exact way it was written and as you understood. As for aluminum. First off, aluminum is not essentially bad in any way, also, hard anodized aluminum can't be considered aluminum because the surface which comes in contact with the environment actually isn't aluminum. I pointed this out simply because people talk about aluminum as a bad thing and there seems to be some stigma about it. And if I understood the question correctly, yes, the whole oven is hard anodized, would be actually much harder to partially do it and also pointless.

I also edited out a joke between Maja and me which was tasteless and somewhat offensive maybe, I apologize, didn't think it through before posting.
 
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TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
Finally he arrived :) will start the frolic dial in. First impression, great built quality.

I did an initial cleanup and started the first session.

However after cleaning the first bowl i saw a strange area in the bowl. See picture. Did sb of you have the same spots?

I actually have the exact same spot on my oven.
This should be discoloration, rather than a fault in the process, you can easily confirm this by going over it with any metal tool or even your finger. If it feels the same as the rest of your oven, it's fine and only aesthetic. If the blemish annoys you, we have 2 options, we can send a new oven or a new device, which ever you choose.
I checked with my fingernail and with a tool that the spot is smooth and feels like the rest of the oven. If it's just a discoloration I'm good with it.
 

Dr. G

Vapman Collector Vapman Beta Tester eMuseo Vapman
Greetings Everyone,

I am not scientific, and I know less about the inside of a vape than a snail. So...I am reading Dejan's huge ass post about the insides of the Frolic. I mean this guy sounds like a genius...he IS a friggen genius! So...I am reading, and I see, 'the Frolic has blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...and it continues, and I don't know what the fuck I am reading....so, ...all I want to say is: I truly appreciate Dejan and what he wrote and all of you then, going back and forth about things I do not understand and find fascinating. I love my Frolic. I love the outside, the buttons, the big oven, the cute larger battery! The outside elegance...and the sessions are tasty and perfect. So...that is my review. It is so amazing the Frolic is a great launch...and Dejan and his team are so intense about getting it right and pleasing the customers...I love that! What a great thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so lucky to own a Frolic...so, buy one please....I want you to be happy like I am.

DrG
 

Dejan LimelightHerb

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Manufacturer
I actually have the exact same spot on my oven.

I checked with my fingernail and with a tool that the spot is smooth and feels like the rest of the oven. If it's just a discoloration I'm good with it.
What you said above. And regarding this, yes, 100% discoloration only, if it bothers you at any time, please feel free to reach out any time.
 

Delta3DStudios

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Accessory Maker
SERIOUSLY @Delta3DStudios I need a slim case for this that lets me use the device without removing it from the case. If I had a delta3d case IDK if I'd use a lot of my other vapes or stray far from the frolic ever again.

I promise! I'm working on it - I've been hearing a LOT about the frolic lately and happen to need a new high powered portable....... so we know where this goes hahaha. ;)

Slim case... or larger oversized rugged DeltaVault case, who knows what I'll come up with first! If you have any special requests or would like to be notified when I release an odor-tight case for the Frolic, please shoot me a message! :rockon:
 
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Dr. G

Vapman Collector Vapman Beta Tester eMuseo Vapman
The (cheapest) S&B capsules have been working great, fwiw.

The tiny gap between the body and the cooling unit is now normalized for me.
Do you know how many people looked up fwiw? Me. LOL I did not know what that meant. I learn about vape here and English too. Great forum!

DrG

PS In order for post to make sense here:

I love the Frolic...it works amazing!
 

Just Justin

Well-Known Member
Here’s to Limelight team for creating a serious device and putting quality first. I would much rather pay more for a premium product that I can count on and trust. I’ve wanted a modular vape forever, that I can change parts, fix / upgrade and have for years to come instead of more future waste. The Frolic is a much needed step in the right direction of bringing quality and transparency back to products such as this.

I’m excited to see what y’all have coming and I hope you stay this passionate and committed to the community and your products in the future!
 

TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
Here’s to Limelight team for creating a serious device and putting quality first. I would much rather pay more for a premium product that I can count on and trust. I’ve wanted a modular vape forever, that I can change parts, fix / upgrade and have for years to come instead of more future waste. The Frolic is a much needed step in the right direction of bringing quality and transparency back to products such as this.

I’m excited to see what y’all have coming and I hope you stay this passionate and committed to the community and your products in the future!
Well said! 👏
 
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