Tafée Bowle

Yep, it was the stale bud. Went to the dispo today, and wow was my first hit on a bowl of fresh bud flavorful. Definitely got the terp tongue.

I will say, from like the third hit on the flavor was muted again compared to the back half of a bowl on one of my conduction vapes, which sort of aligns with my experience with the dry bud. Guess now I know that, at least for me, convection vapor has much quicker drop-off in flavor compared to conduction vapor.

More and more, I feel like comparing convection to conduction is almost an apples to oranges endeavor – they really are quite unique from each other, and it really comes down to personal preference which is better.

Anyone know of a third party reseller that sells stems? Possibly a stem with a built in bowl or “pot” so it’s all in one?

borbjorbis said:

Guess now I know that, at least for me, convection vapor has much quicker drop-off in flavor compared to conduction vapor.

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I'm not so convinced of this. I have some halogen vapes that could be considered "convection-dominant" (although there's a fair bit of radiation and conduction that goes on over a session) and these vapes seem to make the flavor last forever for me. I've had entire sessions of 6-7 draws that were tasty from start to finish. The flavor doesn't seem to change or get harsher, there's just less vapor over time. Definitely check out a halogen vape if you like flavor that lasts.

TigoleBitties said:

I'm not so convinced of this. I have some halogen vapes that could be considered "convection-dominant" (although there's a fair bit of radiation and conduction that goes on over a session) and these vapes seem to make the flavor last forever for me. I've had entire sessions of 6-7 draws that were tasty from start to finish. The flavor doesn't seem to change or get harsher, there's just less vapor over time. Definitely check out a halogen vape if you like flavor that lasts.

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Never used a halogen! Which ones do you like?

Yes, the question for me really is how much the radiant and residual conductive heat impacts the flavor. For example, the Tempest, the Simrell in convection mode, the Convector, and the Woodscents all maintain a good amplitude of flavor through the bowl in my experience, but all of these vapes definitely introduce an element of radiant / conduction as the bowl heat soaks through the session.

I've always had the impression that even just a little bit of conduction "deepens" the flavor, almost like salt or MSG, and my recent experiences with the TB make me wonder if maybe there are some flavor compounds that pure convection heating cannot extract as handily. Again, all of this could have absolutely no basis in scientific reality, just an intuition I feel.

The TB feels like the purest convection vape I've ever used. Even just the texture of the vapor feels convective, if that makes any sense haha. I also had a Tinymight in the early days of my VAS, when I was less discerning of subtle differences in flavor and effect. Trying to remember how that experience compared but really can't say for certain.

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Never used a halogen! Which ones do you like?

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I have two halogen vapes. One is an artisan halogen vape made by @Vaporooni (see https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/dat-halogen-taste.55585/) and the other is the Angus Enhanced portable halogen vape. I used to use the portable AE a lot but less so recently after that fiberglass materials scare. It's been removed and I've received the updated version but the way YLL handled it left a bad taste in my mouth - no pun intended.
Either way, halogen vapes are amazing and amongst the tastiest vapes I've ever used. My vapor halogen log is one of my go-tos for long, tasty sessions and there are many builds to choose from now if you search the forum.

borbjorbis said:

Yes, the question for me really is how much the radiant and residual conductive heat impacts the flavor. For example, the Tempest, the Simrell in convection mode, the Convector, and the Woodscents all maintain a good amplitude of flavor through the bowl in my experience, but all of these vapes definitely introduce an element of radiant / conduction as the bowl heat soaks through the session.

I've always had the impression that even just a little bit of conduction "deepens" the flavor, almost like salt or MSG, and my recent experiences with the TB make me wonder if maybe there are some flavor compounds that pure convection heating cannot extract as handily. Again, all of this could have absolutely no basis in scientific reality, just an intuition I feel.

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I agree with all of this. I think the key to the conduction component is how "soft" it is and how delicately it can add to the convection experience. You want to build ambient temperature but you don't want that burnt conduction taste you can get when you overdo things. I find vapes that blunt the conduction component either through glass like Arizer vapes, or another insulator like ceramics, allow the conduction component to build slowly without burning or charring. When flower directly touches metal is when you have to be more careful with conduction to avoid ruining taste I think.

Halogens build their non-convective heat mostly via constant radiant heat of the light hitting the flower/bowl and raising the temperature, even if you're not drawing. This radiant effect is mild enough though to not ruin flavor easily in most cases. I find halogens are generally convection dominant, but hybrid enough with radiant/conductive heat in the perfect amount to preserve flavor.

borbjorbis said:

The TB feels like the purest convection vape I've ever used. Even just the texture of the vapor feels convective, if that makes any sense haha. I also had a Tinymight in the early days of my VAS, when I was less discerning of subtle differences in flavor and effect. Trying to remember how that experience compared but really can't say for certain.

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Lol I hear you. The TB2 is very convection dominant but if you use the side-breath technique I described earlier to lengthen your draws until it times out (20 sec about), the ceramic bowl can absorb a lot of heat and start contributing nice conduction effects. Especially after multiple long draws. I can't always handle the ceramic bowl right after my last hit sometimes it's so hot.

TigoleBitties said:

Lol I hear you. The TB2 is very convection dominant but if you use the side-breath technique I described earlier to lengthen your draws until it times out (20 sec about), the ceramic bowl can absorb a lot of heat and start contributing nice conduction effects. Especially after multiple long draws. I can't always handle the ceramic bowl right after my last hit sometimes it's so hot.

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I tried this (side breath technique) this weekend after reading your earlier post and I have to say it is a really nice technique. I've been able to get better draws because of it and really pull the most out of level 2 and 3. Thanks for that!

mcscruffy said:

I tried this (side breath technique) this weekend after reading your earlier post and I have to say it is a really nice technique. I've been able to get better draws because of it and really pull the most out of level 2 and 3. Thanks for that!

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Awesome. Glad it helped

Just Justin said:

I would agree and get a minimum 10 bowls on a charge with a good battery. I typically run at 388f and take 5 rips or more per bowl. I have a Tinymight 2 and Tafè Bowle and I get significantly less bowls per charge than the V1 with those devices. The coil on the TinyMight 2 is much larger than the V1 and the Tafè Bowle is closer in Size to the V1 but has a small battery pack in comparison.

I redesigned my Tafè Bowle to accept 18650 and use a temp control chip instead of their electronics and it’s probably pretty close to the V1 in performance now

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I would pay you to reconfigure mine lol

Here are a few pics of the Tafè “ Box”
It’s a bit big for your pocket but the main goal of this project was to power my Tafè Bowle with a removable battery and have full temp control. Anyways, pretty much just cut around the heater and built a box around it, filled it with a battery and added temp control mod electronics

My Tafè Bowle “Box”

Modded my Bowle to use a removable 18650 and full temp control.

TigoleBitties said:

The TB2 is very convection dominant but if you use the side-breath technique I described earlier to lengthen your draws until it times out (20 sec about), the ceramic bowl can absorb a lot of heat and start contributing nice conduction effects. Especially after multiple long draws. I can't always handle the ceramic bowl right after my last hit sometimes it's so hot.

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Thanks for the Halogen recs, and the reminder to try this technique out next time I sesh! It sounds excellent, not sure if my lungs can do til timeout but maybe with the cigar puffs.

Just Justin said:

Modded my Bowle to use a removable 18650 and full temp control.

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Oh my god you've done it. Would you be willing to share more details about the project?

Just Justin said:

My Tafè Bowle “Box”

Modded my Bowle to use a removable 18650 and full temp control.

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I've cut'n'pasted my same reaction here since I also just saw this in the Entheos thread...

Very cool!

Do you mod a lot of your vapes in general? You make it sound like this mod was a walk in the park. Well done!

TigoleBitties said:

Very cool!

Do you mod a lot of your vapes in general? You make it sound like this mod was a walk in the park. Well done!

Back to the Convex though... 10 bowls with an average of 5 draws per at 388F is really great in my eyes for one fully charged 18650. Add to this the new ceramic parts and the retractable stem and this device is looking very good.

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I’ve modded a number of vapes and trying to upload a few of them. Not all turned out but these are a few of my favs and I’ll upload them in their respected posts;

Grasshopper Instant On modded to 18650 in a box like the Tafè “Box” and I’ve done a bunch Grasshopper mods. RIP Hopper Labs, a favorite vape of mine!

The Sublimator Apollo Ball vape wired Airstream from Cannabis hardware. A true home use beast. Sublimator hooked to the Airstream

Just Justin said:

My Tafè Bowle “Box”

Modded my Bowle to use a removable 18650 and full temp control.

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Now that's a fucking portable vape... And even more worth tolerating the stem for lol

nice mod, like that kind of format way better then a big bowleeee

That is Incredible.. good job man...

Hoping Tafè Bowle ditches the cup design for a more traditional design in the future but props to them for doing something unique and stealthy. Plus the vapor and extraction of their device is just top notch

Just Justin said:

Hoping Tafè Bowle ditches the cup design for a more traditional design in the future but props to them for doing something unique and stealthy. Plus the vapor and extraction of their device is just top notch

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If they kept the heater and pots but ditched the puck for a more portable form with 18650, well, then I could respect them again.

RxPlorer said:

If they kept the heater and pots but ditched the puck for a more portable form with 18650, well, then I could respect them again.

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So why would you not respect a unique design that delivers great on demand hits?

I mean, I get something not being a good match for your personal use case, but still a device worthy of our respect in my book.

God forbid a vape company diffentiate in the vape space.

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RxPlorer said:

If they kept the heater and pots but ditched the puck for a more portable form with 18650, well, then I could respect them again.

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Not 18650. One of the nice things about the TB2 is battery life. My understanding is they are using something like a phone battery to get that life and pump out the power it needs.

I held off on TB2 because of the form, and I would love a different form, or options besides the cup, BUT, I got one anyway. If you want a smooth vape, the TB2 is it.

Arrgghh! If I ever fully commit to buying a TB2, I'll have to wait at least 1 month or who knows how long to get it...

I'd expected VapeFully (the only European seller with a decent price at €439 or ~$509) to have it back in stock in the second half of July, but they just said:

Unfortunately, but we still haven't placed an order with the manufacturer. We are working directly with them, and there is no other distributor that has this product.

New regulations were implemented in Poland on July 1, and we are struggling to implement them. This has blocked our imports, and temporarily, we can only subsidize locally. We are waiting for the Customs Offices to streamline deliveries, and there will be a point in placing more. For the time being, several large shipments have been waiting for almost a month at Customs

I hope this situation will clear up by the month. I'm sorry that we have not been able to arrange delivery.

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Or does anyone know of another place to get it for a good price in Europe?

Thanks

It's $100 more than the Tiny Might 2, Venty, Solo 3, etc. That said, it's the best portable dosimeter on the market right now. The IO Hornet is arguably an even better dosimeter, but it's chained to a desk.

I know there's been discussion about adapters for use with glass.

This one is not elegant, but is easy and "works" as a wpa. It needs to be pinched during use to seal the span across the concave side of the stem. I've also made a tight seal by using painter's tape around the joint, but that soon gets loose.

Generally speaking, I don't view this device as one needing any help from glass. In the event some wpa comes along to replace the aluminun stem, that might be a different story...

The old Grasshopper silicone mouthpiece, still avalable at Chosty/Vaporific

vapviking said:

I know there's been discussion about adapters for use with glass.

This one is not elegant, but is easy and "works" as a wpa. It needs to be pinched during use to seal the span across the concave side of the stem. I've also made a tight seal by using painter's tape around the joint, but that soon gets loose.

Generally speaking, I don't view this device as one needing any help from glass. In the event some wpa comes along to replace the aluminun stem, that might be a different story...

The old Grasshopper silicone mouthpiece, still avalable at Chosty/Vaporific

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How well has that worked in practice? I was thinking extending the air path from the stem which already restricts a good amount would lead to less efficient sessions because it would increase the amount of suction force required to net the same effect as if you use the stem on its own.

I was worried that the only real option for a WPA would be basically just the base of the stem with an extension and 14-18mm type connection. It would be awesome if Tafee could release something like that!