Cloud Connoisseur Glass

Fearless Disaster said:

Here is a pic of the blue bubbletrap version:

I might be reading the vapor path wrong but it doesn't seem like there is any recycling in this design?

Regarding the joint size version I recently standardized on 14mm because it seems like a lot of the 18mm designs are for larger loads than i want to vape. I know a lot of people like to get 18mm and use reducers. That bugs me personally, but subsconscious designs on ebay makes dropdowns and can make them in different sizes. Do you plan to use a dropdown? I just started using them this year and am never going back.

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Gotcha, thank you! That's what I was thinking... looking at it again, I think you're right and there's no recycling. I was just focused on the chamber near the top but that looks like it would be an all vapor path with the water only at the bottom. I love the visual of that so that's kind of a bummer but regardless this looks like a really nice piece and I'm tempted... especially considering some other posts mentioning it took forever to find another color version in stock.

Fearless Disaster said:

Regarding the joint size I recently standardized on 14mm because it seems like a lot of the 18mm bowl designs are for larger loads than i want to vape. I've learned that restriction, etc is more about rig design than joint size. For example, my 14mm calypso is as open as i'd ever want. I know a lot of people like to get 18mm and use reducers. That bugs me personally, but subsconscious designs on ebay makes dropdowns and can make them in different sizes on each end to adapt for example an 18mm bowl to a 14mm rig. Do you plan to use a dropdown? I just started using them this year and am never going back. I suppose if i was going to just get one i'd consider 18mm with a 18-14 dropdown. I think it also depends on how picky you are about the final product. Are you open to buying a few and selling the ones that don't win on EE?

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This is helpful, thank you! I don't think I have a need for dropdowns at this time but your comment about 18mm really being for larger loads than you prefer is some good subjective guidance. Before I took a multi-year break due to working in the O&G industry I was way up there on tolerance and that's not somewhere I want to hit again. I go through .75-1g on the heaviest of days but typically stay <.5g for both concentrate and flower combined from day to day.

For this year at least, I would be using it purely with my Tempest 2, ALVP2, and Mighty+ and depending on how the legal landscape of hemp plays out the next few months locally and nationwide I may invest more into the desktop setups. I just don't see the need to go all in on that quite yet because legality aside I live around a lot of negative stigma for this.

This piece would mainly be for weekends when we are at our family vacation home by the water where we're on elevated private decks on our property.

I'm thinking 14mm would be the prudent choice... were the legal landscape to relax or at least stay the course through the federal and state sessions then that's an excuse to buy a bigger version next year. Now I just need to decide if this will be the piece or if I care so much about the recycling function just so I can see it in action that I choose another one.

Thank you again for your input!

coolbreeze said:

Thank you! More or less the Prophet set up backwards for water, but with the tube>chamber>MP rather than just the tube>MP.

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Yep! Same classic W hook pathway that works so well with all the right angles, except now it also has swiss holes, even more length and bend, simpler form factor, etc with perc and same joint sizes on either end for easy water use in same orientation as dry use...

jbm said:

So is the oracle supposed to work equally well used wet or dry?

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Yep! Just simpler versatility

mcscruffy said:

Which one is the blue bubble trap and would that affect the ability to see the recycling action at work?

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Bubble trap is the name for the color, with fume, that has the added pattern texture... Bubbles are trapped within the fumed color work, as you can see visually (color for the Oracle leaves the main body clear so only the inside fab is colored so you can always see there, but safer to get clear or a light color if you care about full visibility)

mcscruffy said:

was just focused on the chamber near the top but that looks like it would be an all vapor path with the water only at the bottom

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Yep, you're not supposed to fill the water level high enough that it would enter the top of the fab, but It could interact with the bottom of the fab swiss sections (like vertex or other straight fabs, depends how much water you load, whether you want to have that be dry pathway obstruction or extra natural water perc)

mcscruffy said:

love the visual of that so that's kind of a bummer but regardless this looks like a really nice piece

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Yeah the visual is fun with clear, recycler doesn't fill the same way, milking, so it's a different function and visual experience ultimately

mcscruffy said:

don't think I have a need for dropdowns at this time

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Dropdowns are extremely useful, they will add even more cooling, but also they keep your vape/bowl lower off to the side out of your face (like modular mouthpiece, you can make any rig into a sidecar for great visuals in use this way) and they will keep the rest of the piece, especially any water, much cleaner... Also yes super easy to switch sizes in any direction with anything too

Thank you for all that input @Shit Snacks! There's a lot more to this than when I was collecting 10+ years ago and it's a bit overwhelming trying to figure out what to go with especially for a first piece in forever.

This seems like it has a lot of positive attention so I might do what I do best and dive in semi-blind and force myself to figure out the rest as I go. If nothing else I can say my scratch was itched... for now.

mcscruffy said:

Thank you for all that input @Shit Snacks! There's a lot more to this than when I was collecting 10+ years ago and it's a bit overwhelming trying to figure out what to go with especially for a first piece in forever.

This seems like it has a lot of positive attention so I might do what I do best and dive in semi-blind and force myself to figure out the rest as I go. If nothing else I can say my scratch was itched... for now.

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Yeah there is not user feedback on this one of course, but most of these have good resale value if for some reason you are not happy with it, could possibly even trade with someone else for another... Yeah these are all specialized pieces so it's hard to compare and they pull in a lot of good features from other stuff, in a way that makes it good for our needs... There are a lot of other great cheap options too, yeah different with water or dry, I think this will be tough to beat for dry smooth hits though, look forward to trying

Also wanted to chime in with a big thank you for @Shit Snacks ! You do amazing work here, and keep a lot of us better informed. Really appreciate it.

I wish the amber and green bubble trap versions looked as good as the blue. I'd prefer to get the amber but it just doesn't appear to have the depth of color or slight color variations that the blue one has.

Namekian said:

I wish the amber and green bubble trap versions looked as good as the blue. I'd prefer to get the amber but it just doesn't appear to have the depth of color or slight color variations that the blue one has.

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With all the fume, the colors will vary, have you seen other photos of these colors like that?? I wouldn't base your decision too strongly on too specific an aspect from the current piece store photos alone at least

Shit Snacks said:

With all the fume, the colors will vary, have you seen other photos of these colors like that?? I wouldn't base your decision too strongly on too specific an aspect from the current piece store photos alone at least

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That a good point, I just wish they would have a picture for each color option for each piece they sell. Instead they give you pictures of other pieces in the color options like they did with the Prophet pre orders, makes it hard to decide.

Namekian said:

That a good point, I just wish they would have a picture for each color option for each piece they sell. Instead they give you pictures of other pieces in the color options like they did with the Prophet pre orders, makes it hard to decide.

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Well to be fair they don't even exist yet...

mcscruffy said:

Thank you for all that input @Shit Snacks! There's a lot more to this than when I was collecting 10+ years ago and it's a bit overwhelming trying to figure out what to go with especially for a first piece in forever.

This seems like it has a lot of positive attention so I might do what I do best and dive in semi-blind and force myself to figure out the rest as I go. If nothing else I can say my scratch was itched... for now.

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What do you run? Ball vape? Butane?

Like, if you run a CC ball vape I may recommend something different than if you favor a Terpcicle.

This is just too good. Trying to save money and not think of colors. But I might succumb.

As for colors, since people asked, fumed is darker in general than bubble trap. And bubble trap often has clear sections. If you want to see the water and vapor tricks while still having color and dimension, go bubble trap. At least for now. Add some clear to fumed designs and I may reconsider.

Of the bubble traps, green and blue are green and blue. They photograph well. Amber is the most interesting.

Fumed pieces are colored glass mixed with a second colored fume. Amazing. But generally darker. Pink and green being the lightest. You would see airflow through any, but the darkest colors would mute it greatly.

I am a sucker for the Oracle’s beer stein holding handle. And the option for an open, 18mm air path.

The bubble trap looks amazing, and looks clear in the middle like the Calypso bubble trap, which maximized the view for water and vapor tricks.

It is like someone designed the glass of my dreams. I wished the Prophet was 18mm and I wanted a more entertaining water trick for my Calypso. This does both.

I may have to go beg for spare change. I want this.

FlimsyKnuckle said:

What do you run? Ball vape? Butane?

Like, if you run a CC ball vape I may recommend something different than if you favor a Terpcicle.

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Well... none right now. I previously commented I may look at one next year but need to see how state and federal legal landscape is by the end of this year. As it stands, I'm only somewhere I could have a full desktop ball vape out a handful of days a year. If regulation goes into play over bans then my wife will be more open to something like that.

It's uniquely complex for me so right now it's only for using some of my portables like the Tempest 2 specifically, then the ALVP2 and Mighty+. No way to use it with a Tafee bowl nor do I think thats necessary. This time next year could be a very different story though.

As it stands, my cart currently has the blue bubble trap in 18mm and I also added the 18mm downstem in blue bubble trap and the regular and microdose diffuser bowls.

After a lot of reading it seems the 18mm is just a good option if available so I went that way over 14mm.

Everything after the oracle is added as a "just in case" so I have a full glass setup ready to go because I don't want to have to chance waiting.

If you order all the pieces together like this do the bubble trap patterns tend to match better or does that make a difference?

mcscruffy said:

Well... none right now. I previously commented I may look at one next year but need to see how state and federal legal landscape is by the end of this year. As it stands, I'm only somewhere I could have a full desktop ball vape out a handful of days a year. If regulation goes into play over bans then my wife will be more open to something like that.

It's uniquely complex for me so right now it's only for using some of my portables like the Tempest 2 specifically, then the ALVP2 and Mighty+. No way to use it with a Tafee bowl nor do I think thats necessary. This time next year could be a very different story though.

As it stands, my cart currently has the blue bubble trap in 18mm and I also added the 18mm downstem in blue bubble trap and the regular and microdose diffuser bowls.

After a lot of reading it seems the 18mm is just a good option if available so I went that way over 14mm.

Everything after the oracle is added as a "just in case" so I have a full glass setup ready to go because I don't want to have to chance waiting.

If you order all the pieces together like this do the bubble trap patterns tend to match better or does that make a difference?

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in my experience the bubble trap stuff is very piece specific. when i first got my blue bubbletrap stuff it looked kind of like plain cobalt blue. I love that color but was disappointed that it didn't look like the photos in the listing. I found out to my surprise that viewing with a flashlight or in daylight brings out all those other colors in the product photos and looks amazing. but just to set your expectations, none of my blue bubbletrap stuff looks like the product photos without using a flashlight to view.

FlimsyKnuckle said:

This is just too good. Trying to save money and not think of colors. But I might succumb.

As for colors, since people asked, fumed is darker in general than bubble trap. And bubble trap often has clear sections. If you want to see the water and vapor tricks while still having color and dimension, go bubble trap. At least for now. Add some clear to fumed designs and I may reconsider.

Of the bubble traps, green and blue are green and blue. They photograph well. Amber is the most interesting.

Fumed pieces are colored glass mixed with a second colored fume. Amazing. But generally darker. Pink and green being the lightest. You would see airflow through any, but the darkest colors would mute it greatly.

I am a sucker for the Oracle’s beer stein holding handle. And the option for an open, 18mm air path.

The bubble trap looks amazing, and looks clear in the middle like the Calypso bubble trap, which maximized the view for water and vapor tricks.

It is like someone designed the glass of my dreams. I wished the Prophet was 18mm and I wanted a more entertaining water trick for my Calypso. This does both.

I may have to go beg for spare change. I want this.

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At least from the green fumed picture, it looks like fumes will have a clear section as well, like the bubbles for Oracle.

fcuser1047 said:

https://d2j6dbq0eux0bg.cloudfront.net/images/83765588/5012247618.png

At least from the green fumed picture, it looks like fumes will have a clear section as well, like the bubbles for Oracle.

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Yes, I was not meaning to say that was specific to the bubble trap before, meant to say it seems all color versions of Oracle will have the clear outside (vertex also had color fabs with clear outside at one point too)

Shit Snacks said:

Yes, I was not meaning to say that was specific to the bubble trap before, meant to say it seems all color versions of Oracle will have the clear outside (vertex also had color fabs with clear outside at one point too)

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So, even fumed versions will have the clear middle? If yes I may have to reconsider my order.

FlimsyKnuckle said:

So, even fumed versions will have the clear middle? If yes I may have to reconsider my order.

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Yes, color glass for everything else and the inside of the fab, but clear for that outer portion in the center, just like in photos

Thanks again for the help from everyone, especially @Shit Snacks!

Went ahead and placed the order for the 18mm Oracle with the drop down and both diffuser bowls all in blue bubble trap.

This should be a decent entry back into glass and I've already set myself up for VAS later on in the form of ball vape kits

I grabbed the video of the oracle in action dry and wet

Count me in on the oracle train. Just Pre-ordered a clear oracle.

Love my protégé v2. New Flowerkettle and electropath got me loving dry hits soo...here i am

I think sometime in the near future im going to grab one of their ash catchers. Torn between the pass through and drop down.

Any noticeable advantage/disadvantage on one vs the other other than the preference on having the pass through or not?

BeltedCoyote said:

I think sometime in the near future im going to grab one of their ash catchers. Torn between the pass through and drop down.

Any noticeable advantage/disadvantage on one vs the other other than the preference on having the pass through or not?

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I don't care for pass through, but drop down has a wide variety of benefits I've listed many times (although these ones don't switch sizes unfortunately, they still change the form factor and will keep water cleaner)

Shit Snacks said:

I don't care for pass through, but drop down has a wide variety of benefits I've listed many times (although these ones don't switch sizes unfortunately, they still change the form factor and will keep water cleaner)

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Gotcha. Ill read back through again. I like pass through but was leaning towards the drop down anyway. Thanks!

BeltedCoyote said:

Gotcha. Ill read back through again. I like pass through but was leaning towards the drop down anyway. Thanks!

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Might have been in another glass thread too! The extra right angle bends offer more surface area for more cooling as well... I have a variety of different dropdowns from US and China, different styles and color

Shit Snacks said:

Might have been in another glass thread too! The extra right angle bends offer more surface area for more cooling as well... I have a variety of different dropdowns from US and China, different styles and color

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Ill give some of the other threads a look too. Im not super well versed in glass