Best clean airpath vape?

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How do you feel quartz is less of a consumer safety risk than Boro? Especially in a coiled scenario... I don't understand. I guess there is a slight increase in the potential to break due to the slightly higher CoE of Boro...

As mentioned above, you need much more calories to melt quartz than Boro. Torched Bangers (sometimes) get heated up intensively, this is where Boro is less forgiving.
 
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nicknobody said:
Air path and vapor path are the same to me
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To most members of this forum it is not.
pretending there's silicone in the vapor path could turn off people who would have been otherwise fine it it was only in the air path. (Although a lot of people don't care about silicone in the vapor path, like the recent success of the avlp2 preorder suggest.)

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A lot of butane sticks uses o-rings to hold the tip to the stem. These get way hotter than the silicone of the Vaponic and any potential offgasing would end straight in the vapor path. And not all of them are viton o-rings. If you're concerned by the Vaponic silicone then you should be as well regarding all those butane sticks.
 
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Radwin Bodnic said:
To most members of this forum it is not.
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No one here is worried about the air path only the vapor path? You don’t value a clean air path? Like the title of this thread?
Radwin Bodnic said:
pretending there's silicone in the vapor path could turn off people who would have been otherwise fine it it was only in the air path. (Although a lot of people don't care about silicone in the vapor path, like the recent success of the avlp2 preorder suggest.)
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I don’t use cheap Chinese electric vapes. Can’t comment on that. I don’t trust them.
Radwin Bodnic said:
Edit to offer a more precise answer :
A lot of butane sticks uses o-rings to hold the tip to the stem. These get way hotter than the silicone of the Vaponic and any potential offgasing would end straight in the vapor path. And not all of them are viton o-rings. If you're concerned by the Vaponic silicone then you should be as well regarding all those butane sticks.
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I don’t use tubes that utilize orings or grommets either


Cheebsy said:
How do you feel quartz is less of a consumer safety risk than Boro? Especially in a coiled scenario... I don't understand. I guess there is a slight increase in the potential to break due to the slightly higher CoE of Boro...

As mentioned above, you need much more calories to melt quartz than Boro. Torched Bangers (sometimes) get heated up intensively, this is where Boro is less forgiving.
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99% of the time I torch. Quartz has be undeniably more durable in all my experiences. I love boro but not for heaters!
 
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nicknobody said:
There is no way around the risks of a boro baller. “Generally fine” shouldn’t be in the conversation when consumer saftey is at risk
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The D-Nail Quartz Lotus thread would suggest otherwise.

That said, the most likely point of failure for any glass ball vape is accidentally dropping it on the floor, and quartz unfortunately doesn’t hold up any better than boro in that situation.

If consumer safety is genuinely the number one concern I think ball vapes and big blowtorches might not exactly make the cut.

pop22 said:
boro isn't used for bangers as it isn't as heat tolerant as quartz and that's the only reason. And I'd be more worried about what toxins I'm inhaling when you push temps for concentrates over 500F. And the higher the temp, the more toxins produced. Dabbing is no healthier than smoking!

here's some science that shows some of what you inhale in a dab. so debate all you want, your glass is much cleaner than what your inhaling!

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5623941/
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Those findings were obtained at 500C not 500F.
 
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nicknobody said:
No one here is worried about the air path only the vapor path? You don’t value a clean air path? Like the title of this thread?
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That's not what I said but as an obvious example the TM2 is very praised here and the electronics are in the air path. I'm pretty sure people wouldn't be as comfortable with it if the electronics were in the vapor path.
nicknobody said:
I don’t use tubes that utilize orings or grommets either
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nicknobody said:
Did someone say vongsday?

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I see super hot o-rings in the vapor path here...

I don't think it's bad (I have and use a TA btw), but I think it's worse than the silicone of the Vaponic that never gets hot.

In the end it's down to personal tolerance regarding the use of certain materials. Some people are concerned by the brass nozzles of the vapman for example. But saying that the Vaponic don't have a clean air path when you obviously use Dynavaps with o-rings at the hottest part of the vapor path is not fair.
 
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invertedisdead said:
The D-Nail Quartz Lotus thread would suggest otherwise.
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Is the heater made of boro? Quartz Lotus would be a funny name choice if so. I suppose if they are quartz balls then it makes it less funny.

I’ve never heard anyone say anything good about that device.

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I was talking glass tubes not metal ones but I get you. I can assure u my mild dyna and vapman torching is not comparable to my aggressive larger device torching
 
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nicknobody said:
Is the heater made of boro? Quartz Lotus would be a funny name choice if so. I suppose if they are quartz balls then it makes it less funny.
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Quartz balls and housing.

nicknobody said:
I can assure u my mild dyna and vapman torching is not comparable to my aggressive larger device torching
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In return I can assure you my Vaponic torching is really soft compared to how I fire the TA ! :tup:
 
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I'll let you vape the moldy weed! :D
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unless you grow in a totally sterile environment, there will be mold etc, it's the goal of the grower ( or should be ) to maintain an environment that reduces the levels to the lowest reasonably possible. I'll guaranty you the levels in my growroom are much lower than outdoors! So if you like sun grown weed...
 
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pop22 said:
unless you grow in a totally sterile environment, there will be mold etc, it's the goal of the grower ( or should be ) to maintain an environment that reduces the levels to the lowest reasonably possible. I'll guaranty you the levels in my growroom are much lower than outdoors! So if you like sun grown weed...
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I grow indoors primarily but also take advantage of the summer outdoor season. I bud wash when outdoors though (unless it's for seed). :tup:

That said, I'd argue most people consider "the presence of some level of mold spores" being much different than "moldy weed". I vape one and not the other. If it's even a remotely close call... I consider it too moldy.
 
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pop22 said:
unless you grow in a totally sterile environment, there will be mold etc, it's the goal of the grower ( or should be ) to maintain an environment that reduces the levels to the lowest reasonably possible. I'll guaranty you the levels in my growroom are much lower than outdoors! So if you like sun grown weed...
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I tend to think that growing in a closed space will bring more mold than outdoors...
I only have outdoor weed that is very good and not a hint of mold some of it is several years old and still no mold.
Of course crop density has a lot to do with mold. let your plants stretch and plant them apart.

Of course, bad weather can bring mold, but there are easy (and organic) ways to get rid of it early.
 
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Radwin Bodnic said:
I tend to think that growing in a closed space will bring more mold than outdoors...
I only have outdoor weed that is very good and not a hint of mold some of it is several years old and still no mold.
Of course crop density has a lot to do with mold. let your plants stretch and plant them apart.

Of course, bad weather can bring mold, but there are easy (and organic) ways to get rid of it early.
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have you ever looked at it with a magnifying glass, or macro mode with a camera or phone camera? Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there, unless your growing in a dry climate there is always mold and spore in the air. Outdoors and indoors. There is no such thing as bud with no mold in areas with RH over about 37%. Look at lab tests for dispensary weed. there are acceptable levels. only because you can't eliminate all of it. Find information about your local air quality, a good report should tell you levels for pollen mold, and other pollutants.
So I'm not talking bud you can see is obviously moldy I'm saying almost all bud has at least a minute amount in it, that's my only point.
 
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pop22 said:
have you ever looked at it with a magnifying glass, or macro mode with a camera or phone camera? Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there, unless your growing in a dry climate there is always mold and spore in the air. Outdoors and indoors. There is no such thing as bud with no mold in areas with RH over about 37%. Look at lab tests for dispensary weed. there are acceptable levels. only because you can't eliminate all of it. Find information about your local air quality, a good report should tell you levels for pollen mold, and other pollutants.
So I'm not talking bud you can see is obviously moldy I'm saying almost all bud has at least a minute amount in it, that's my only point.
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Yes I have looked at it with a magnifier. I do it with every batch. I'm not sure the magnifier can show the spores, only the mycelium. And I've only encountered once mold in my bud in a jar that has been opened several times and without humidity pack inside. (And even then it wasn't obvious at all. Only the slightly different smell and the magnifier showed me the mold). A binocular probably can show the spores but I don't have one.

Yeah climate is pretty dry where I live and where I source most of my flower. That said in Europe we tend to cure our flowers drier than in the us. Maybe that helps...

I agree that there's certainly some negligible amounts of spores in every bud. But I'm certain that I'm inhaling a lot more spores just walking in the forest !

Edit, sorry for the off topic...
 
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