Camouflet Ceramo XL

zeebudz

Well-Known Member
I’m trying A Dynavap condenser and o rings- perfect fit on the Ceramo,,checking Performance of this setup before trying an xl condenser .
Thinner O-rings may work with the4-bore condenser.
Yes, a Dynavap condenser works but I don't think that it alone will do much about the heat, best to add an intercooler. And there is still the problem of removing it from the one open end.

Currently I find it a simple matter to just pull out the M condenser assembly from my M7 and insert it into the Ceramo.
 
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vaporo

New Member
Kinda strange interaction with Camouflet.
I ordered the super capacitor and the injector from the website back on 3/27. At that time, the website said the super capacitor was on backorder for late march. So of course with me ordering on the 27th, i figured i would secure one.

I also emailed them to check on the status since I knew the injector was on backorder (waiting on bamboo handles). They emailed me back with no mention of the S.C being backordered and told me I would be good to go once the handles came in.

Cut to my order finally arriving yesterday with just the injector inside. The packing slip had crossed out the S.C and wrote next to it “backordered”.

Customer service is saying it was a warehouse mistake? They even told me to check the packaging lol. Sounds unlikely since there was a literal note with the item crossed out. Now im being told im in the next batch of S.C to arrive next month…

In my opinion it sounds like they simply oversold it and although I should of got one, my order fell near the end of pre-orders.

Its not a huge deal, just strange. Also in better news, yall this injector is the shit. It holds heat so well! Im using it with their inductor and its the first thing to really compete with my ruby twist.
 

oddjobold

Vape swap shop
Some unboxing impressions.

Everything was packed in only a thin jiffy bag. My bamboo box was broken. Not a big issue, I probably would not use it anyway as not very pocket friendly. It went straight in the bin which is a bit of a shame.

There are some marks \ chips on the end of my Ceramo by the mouthpiece. I have seen other zirconia products with similar marks. I think this is just part of the manufacturing process and is probably unavoidable. Not really bothered by it.

The screen is very difficult to get totally straight in the bowl. This upsets my OCD. I got it as good as possible.

The original cap needed a little tweaking to get to fit nicely. Easy to do. Supercapacitor fitted better.

Testing will commence later.
 

4-Aces King-High

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Yes, a Dynavap condenser works but I don't think that it alone will do much about the heat, best to add an intercooler. And there is still the problem of removing it from the one open end.

Currently I find it a simple matter to just pull out the M condenser assembly from my M7 and insert it into the Ceramo.
I found a silicon hose small enough for the XL 4-bore condenser to have a seal by cutting it putting on the condenser and in to the Ceramo ,testing commences after coffee.

9:59 A.M.——-Works great and way cooler
 
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Cacahuates

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Hot hot hot!

I fired it up with the super cap on the hook last night. Wayyyy too hot. Then I used the regular cap. Not as hot, but still hot. Taste is nice but even on a hook she's hot. Great effects, hot throat, lots of coughing.
 

hotmeals

Serial vapist
Ceramo XL essentially has a built-in single bore ceramic tube, similar to the regular Convector, but without the need for o-rings. From customer feedback and internal data we felt that this design was the best option. Data and feedback shows preference towards the single bore vs the quad bore in the regular Convector and Convector XL customers have been requesting an XL single bore ceramic tube option.
The problem with this is that the single bore ceramic tube in the regular Convector is very comfortable to use natively. I think less people would have requested a single bore tube for the Convector XL if they had known it would be this hot. I probably would not have ordered the Ceramo or the Super Capacitor if I had known they would be as hot as they are natively without extra accessories. I definitely wouldn't have ordered them if I had known the caps wouldn't grip the stem well enough to stay on.
 

Cacahuates

Well-Known Member
The problem with this is that the single bore ceramic tube in the regular Convector is very comfortable to use natively. I think less people would have requested a single bore tube for the Convector XL if they had known it would be this hot. I probably would not have ordered the Ceramo or the Super Capacitor if I had known they would be as hot as they are natively without extra accessories. I definitely wouldn't have ordered them if I had known the caps wouldn't grip the stem well enough to stay on.
so it's 100% user error 🤔
 
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n0tu2

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The problem with this is that the single bore ceramic tube in the regular Convector is very comfortable to use natively. I think less people would have requested a single bore tube for the Convector XL if they had known it would be this hot. I probably would not have ordered the Ceramo or the Super Capacitor if I had known they would be as hot as they are natively without extra accessories. I definitely wouldn't have ordered them if I had known the caps wouldn't grip the stem well enough to stay on.
just shave a second off your heating time from cold and re-heats until you find a comfortable place.. draw slow at first and either ramp up the draw or just hard stop the draw for a second or two if it's too hot, then go back in slow. If still too hot shave another second off each heat up cycle next bowl 😉

It can be used natively without anything.. only way I've been using it. Just need to find your happy place.. if you want those white out room fogging clouds u ain't gonna get that unless you add some cooling or have a throat of steel. It still gets you just as high.. just takes a little longer native.. additional cooler hits. Usually done enough for me in 4 hits .. first 2 are the best.
 

hotmeals

Serial vapist
if you want those white out room fogging clouds u ain't gonna get that unless you add some cooling or have a throat of steel.
I was expecting to get that though, considering the Convector XL is capable of that and there was no mention of the stock Ceramo being so significantly hotter. Still, the main reason I haven't really been using it is because I can't get the cap to stay on. Even spinning while torching can work it loose for me.
 
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Cacahuates

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I was expecting to get that though, considering the Convector XL is capable of that and there was no mention of the stock Ceramo being so significantly hotter. Still, the main reason I haven't really been using it is because I can't get the cap to stay on. Even spinning while torching can work it loose for me.
I used the tool to tighten just 2 "fins" that were opposite each other to the point were it was difficult to put on. After easing it on gently it's pretty secure. It's good they included this tool but should this be an issue?
 
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hotmeals

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I used the tool to tighten just 2 "fins" that were opposite each other to the point were it was difficult to put on. After easing it on gently it's pretty secure. It's good they included this tool but should this be an issue?
I tried only adjusting a few at first, but that didn't do it, so I've tightened them all and it still feels sketchy to me. I think a big part of this problem is the metal on polished ceramic friction fit. Unpolished metal on metal will grip better, and I assume would work well enough with greater unit to unit variation. It's probably also easier and less costly to manufacture metal parts with tighter tolerances. I've never had this problem with my regular SS or Ti Convectors.
 

SlickHenry

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I used the tool to tighten just 2 "fins" that were opposite each other to the point were it was difficult to put on. After easing it on gently it's pretty secure. It's good they included this tool but should this be an issue?
Calling it a tool is generous! It's just small bit of plastic. I also noticed they have it listed on the site to buy - HERE 😂

I just squeeze the fins gently with my thumb and finger to fit and if they are too tight loosen them the other way. My cap stays on after this.

I didn't need to use any 'tool' but I am a professional!
 
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coolbreeze

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I used the tool to tighten just 2 "fins" that were opposite each other to the point were it was difficult to put on. After easing it on gently it's pretty secure. It's good they included this tool but should this be an issue?
To be fair we've always had to adjust Dynavap caps. I've adjusted the regular cap a bit and the super cap fits fine as is. I've really been enjoying this Ceramo/Super Cap combo, mostly through water. It's great with the Inductor and it torches well too. The Super Cap is also very nice with the CXL, it's easy to get a one-heat roast.

I've never used a Wand for these vapes (to limit conduction) but I had to try it and my new regular cap did do a short, slight squeal and it did spin and stop a couple times while heating (cap felt properly hand-tight to me). I tightened it slightly without the tool and I can't get it to squeal/spin any more.

Needs tighter tolerances so they all will adjust to a proper fit, and it could use a condenser to cool it a bit for native use. Otherwise I think it's a fine vape, not a game-changing improvement over the CXL by any means, but really a nice bong vape.
 

Camouflet

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Manufacturer
Thanks for the reply, but one problem I'm having is that I don't see how you could not have encountered the screeching problem when using the wand given how common it is here. Did you mean you didn't test it with the wand or that none of the caps you tested with the wand made the noise?
Hi there, to clarify, we test the caps with the Inductor. None of the caps we tested made a noise that was noticeably different than the XL Cap with Titanium housing. The heater plates in the XL Cap with Titanium housing also make a slight audible noise when heated(louder with the Inductor, faint with the wand), a tingle/frequency sound that has always been present.

We have not seen the newly reported higher pitched sound that is present when heating with the wand but customers have forwarded us videos to review. From the reports we've received, it doesn't seem to happen all the time and isn't affecting performance. This has been noted and is being looked into.

The problem with this is that the single bore ceramic tube in the regular Convector is very comfortable to use natively. I think less people would have requested a single bore tube for the Convector XL if they had known it would be this hot.
Some people prefer the Convector XL native without any ceramic tube insert. The feel of warmer vapour can imitate the sensation of combustion/smoke which can be sought after. Not disagreeing with you, different people have different preferences and we do our best to keep this in mind when designing Camouflet products to be as versatile as possible. When using the Ceramo XL natively, you can slow down/adjust your draw speed to limit the amount of heat exposure when taking a draw.

I definitely wouldn't have ordered them if I had known the caps wouldn't grip the stem well enough to stay on.
Please email us at contact@camouflet.com and we will assist you ASAP. Customer Service is a top priority for us and we're always here to help.

The Ceramo XL is a new product release and there is always room for improvement and refinements. We do our best to test and account for unknown unknowns but the real world is always different than anticipated.
 

TigoleBitties

Big and Bouncy
Needs tighter tolerances so they all will adjust to a proper fit, and it could use a condenser to cool it a bit for native use. Otherwise I think it's a fine vape, not a game-changing improvement over the CXL by any means, but really a nice bong vape.
I'll second that. It is an exceptionally nice bong vape as-is. Great flavor preservation. I was lucky to have parts on hand to give me an intercooler and a mouthpiece.

I think an intercooler and mouthpiece combo for native use would be better than the balls/mouthpiece combo. Just because it's easier to clean and easier to remove and replace for bong use. It could've been marketed as a beautiful stem with cooling that can transform into a beautiful WPA.
 

n0tu2

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I tried only adjusting a few at first, but that didn't do it, so I've tightened them all and it still feels sketchy to me. I think a big part of this problem is the metal on polished ceramic friction fit. Unpolished metal on metal will grip better, and I assume would work well enough with greater unit to unit variation. It's probably also easier and less costly to manufacture metal parts with tighter tolerances. I've never had this problem with my regular SS or Ti Convectors.

I adjusted most of em.. jumped around every other.. slip the tool on and then tap the tool with my finger just a hair.. light taps - slight adjustments. did this once.. mine grips good..can't shake it off at all - tried violently and will not come off unless pulled off. I kinda put it on the bowl at an angle one side first then coaxing it over the bowl and on...
 

hotmeals

Serial vapist
Some people prefer the Convector XL native without any ceramic tube insert. The feel of warmer vapour can imitate the sensation of combustion/smoke which can be sought after.
I understand that, but it seems a little misleading to use a phrase like "Ceramic provides direct cooling" in the product description, if in reality the cooling provided is more comparable to the Convector XL with no cooling tube installed.

By the way, while copying that I noticed this:
The spacious ceramic chamber is easy to load and does not interact with induction heaters, ensuring a truly pure convection experience. Its polished interior allows for quick unloading and hassle-free cleaning.
On my Ceramo, only the exterior appears to be polished. Doesn't seem like a huge deal but it is a discrepency.

Please email us at contact@camouflet.com and we will assist you ASAP. Customer Service is a top priority for us and we're always here to help.
I appreciate that and I suppose I will. I'm just not convinced that mine is really "defective". I'm worried I would get a replacement and have the same problem. I did just try another bowl with the normal cap, torching it this time, and it felt secure enough. It won't stay put in the Wand. I was definitely having trouble with the Super Cap when trying to set it in the recommended position, with torch or Wand.
 

Durbandream

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Hi there, to clarify, we test the caps with the Inductor. None of the caps we tested made a noise that was noticeably different than the XL Cap with Titanium housing. The heater plates in the XL Cap with Titanium housing also make a slight audible noise when heated(louder with the Inductor, faint with the wand), a tingle/frequency sound that has always been present.

We have not seen the newly reported higher pitched sound that is present when heating with the wand but customers have forwarded us videos to review. From the reports we've received, it doesn't seem to happen all the time and isn't affecting performance. This has been noted and is being looked into.
I sent in one of the videos of the cap making the noise, it definitely happens all the time on my unit. Also, there's the corrosion issue myself and others have seen on the cap along with it constantly coming loose from the Ceramo despite tightening the fins. These are significant performance issues, and they're personally keeping me from using the device at all which is a shame since it could be great.
 
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Duba

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Accessory Maker
I haven't followed this thread from the beginning, but the last few pages are probably quite critical of ceramoXL.
I received it a few days ago and tested it a bit with the super capacitor.

First of all, my unit is well designed and finished, the 2 caps fit well, nothing to complain about.

The absence of a cooling system is noticeable from the 1st bowl. I quickly added the Convector xl ceramic tube and the Stinger mp.
The stem heats up quite a bit, but the tip stays cool and the condenser does the job.
I did some afterburning with the inductor and then managed to make a few interesting bowls, in 1 or 2 heats.
It's not a revolutionary experience, but a pleasant one overall. I like the feel and weight of the device with the super cap.

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I've noticed that the super cap sometimes makes a declik noise during the draw (heated with the inductor only).
 

hotmeals

Serial vapist
Oh wow, I didn't think it would fit but it barely does. I'll have to play with that later and see if it detects it and if it pulls the cap off.
I tried it, my Forge does detect and heat the cap, but pulls it off like the Wand does. Gotta say though, I have been really enjoying torched bowls with the regular cap. I just torched it to vape the bowl after trying the Forge.
 
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