Phase3 Vaporizers

howie105

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Id really like to buy one… but the site shows no stock and nothing seems to change 🤷‍♂️
In the wonderful world of small scale business operations, it helps to think of availability as a preorder followed by a product drop. If it helps you feel secure, almost everyone in this thread have been down the preorder road and I don't recall any major complaints.
However, in the interest of transparency, I am waiting on an order of replacement screens and the rubber o-ring finger heat protectors, which were missing from my initial order, but they are small things, in the grand scale.
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
I'm only ordering half as many ZX's in this round as I normally do.
A commitment via preorder tells me that I should keep making these.

1/3 of them are already claimed so that's a decent sign.

Working on finishing up the 25MM design. I was basically done with that one, but I had to start over when the landslide diffuser vote came in. Looking pretty sweet right now, I might post up a rendering shortly. Hoping to launch those for preorder this week.
 

huskybusky

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Hi, long time lurker and ball (vape) curious. I will be joining the pre order as my first ball device, but I have everything from a vapbong to torch powered to electric conduction devices as well. Currently have a sc3 core underdog that is fulfilling my daily on demand duties.
While I love the convection high for functioning throughout the day, I also love the conduction signature that is more sedating and heavy. How does the zx do with a heat soak to provide more conduction, if I wanted that in the evening?
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
Hi, long time lurker and ball (vape) curious. I will be joining the pre order as my first ball device, but I have everything from a vapbong to torch powered to electric conduction devices as well. Currently have a sc3 core underdog that is fulfilling my daily on demand duties.
While I love the convection high for functioning throughout the day, I also love the conduction signature that is more sedating and heavy. How does the zx do with a heat soak to provide more conduction, if I wanted that in the evening?

Howdy friend thanks for your interest,

Not to shoot myself in the foot but the ZX was designed to always be 100% pure convection, even if you left it attached for hours. That was always the real test for a convection device.

So it’s never really going to have much conduction in its current configuration. The bowl will get hot to the touch, but it won’t ever be at vaping temps.

That said, I find the ZX to be very stony and sedative. I don’t get anything done because of that thing 😂😂 maybe others will share their thoughts.
 

coolbreeze

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Hi, long time lurker and ball (vape) curious. I will be joining the pre order as my first ball device, but I have everything from a vapbong to torch powered to electric conduction devices as well. Currently have a sc3 core underdog that is fulfilling my daily on demand duties.
While I love the convection high for functioning throughout the day, I also love the conduction signature that is more sedating and heavy. How does the zx do with a heat soak to provide more conduction, if I wanted that in the evening?
Don't be dissuaded but the lack of conduction, this is such an enjoyable vape that you'd almost certainly love it. I dig how full the highs feel!

@invertedisdead Really looking forward to the wireless rendering, but damn brotha I thought you were going to give us a few months to save up, lol.
That's ok, we'll just let everyone know how awesome it is so there's more than one run! ; )
 

RedZep

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Howdy friend thanks for your interest,

Not to shoot myself in the foot but the ZX was designed to always be 100% pure convection, even if you left it attached for hours. That was always the real test for a convection device.

So it’s never really going to have much conduction in its current configuration. The bowl will get hot to the touch, but it won’t ever be at vaping temps.

That said, I find the ZX to be very stony and sedative. I don’t get anything done because of that thing 😂😂 maybe others will share their thoughts.
That's interesting. I remember my OG flower pot was stoney. I always wondered if it was because of the diffuser interface. I always feel like injectors have less of the stoney quality.

Pure conjecture I admit. Could be nothing.
 

coolbreeze

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That's interesting. I remember my OG flower pot was stoney. I always wondered if it was because of the diffuser interface. I always feel like injectors have less of the stoney quality.

Pure conjecture I admit. Could be nothing.
Wonder if you (and others) used more conduction to compensate for the lack of heated mass? Like, were you running higher temps or leaving the heater on the bowl longer to warm it up? Seems like the addition of balls naturally skews it toward convection, lower temps, and maybe less need for methods that increase conduction? It's fascinating how this whole field has developed and the profound impact the gear makes on how we interact with the herbs.
 

RedZep

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Wonder if you (and others) used more conduction to compensate for the lack of heated mass? Like, were you running higher temps or leaving the heater on the bowl longer to warm it up? Seems like the addition of balls naturally skews it toward convection, lower temps, and maybe less need for methods that increase conduction? It's fascinating how this whole field has developed and the profound impact the gear makes on how we interact with the herbs.
Maybe so. I thought it was purely temp thing (higher temps = stoney) but I've since had a Tempest and high temp hits (almost black AVB) don't produce stony high.

Honestly there are so many variables to these things. The more I learn the more I don't know.
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
Wonder if you (and others) used more conduction to compensate for the lack of heated mass? Like, were you running higher temps or leaving the heater on the bowl longer to warm it up? Seems like the addition of balls naturally skews it toward convection, lower temps, and maybe less need for methods that increase conduction? It's fascinating how this whole field has developed and the profound impact the gear makes on how we interact with the herbs.

The FP was made from grade 2 titanium so the bowl heats up nearly instantly. It’s a materials thing, adding or removing balls doesn’t change the fact that a metal vape is always going to be much more conductive by design, as the materials are, scientifically speaking, much more thermally conductive.

That’s why the wood bowls are popular as they are porous and insulating enough to actually decouple that conduction transfer so they effectively convert a metal vape to true convection.

I love wood as an aesthetic option, but as a bowl I find wood has too much of its own flavor/personality and is sensitive to harsh cleaning.



Maybe so. I thought it was purely temp thing (higher temps = stoney) but I've since had a Tempest and high temp hits (almost black AVB) don't produce stony high.

Honestly there are so many variables to these things. The more I learn the more I don't know.

I don’t really talk about the science much anymore in here as I find that people don’t wanna hear it as it goes against to many myths which dominate the industry. But I did spend 6+ hours a day for almost three years reading heat transfer journals and PhD thesis papers on thermodynamics advancements.

So without addressing that device in any specific way I will say as an observer of the industry there is an overwhelming amount of people seeking to heat a vape up as high as it can possibly get without combusting, while simultaneously looking to cool the vapor down as much as possible before inhaling.

That’s called fractional distillation. It’s the opposite of a full spectrum experience.

I think it was that one dude sitting under the apple tree who said “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”

I could talk about this for hours but I digress.
Anyways my pen shaped vape is based on stuff like this, thermodynamic optimization. 😄😄
 

dtrdrk

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Id love to preorder. But its not available for the ZX…. Only for the bundles. Any chance for a ZX only preorder?
Also, is the coil included at 100us?
 

MennilTossFlykune

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I don’t really talk about the science much anymore in here as I find that people don’t wanna hear it as it goes against to many myths which dominate the industry. But I did spend 6+ hours a day for almost three years reading heat transfer journals and PhD thesis papers on thermodynamics advancements.
This is exactly why I try to spread the word, people need to be more aware of your know-how and innovation!
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
Id love to preorder. But its not available for the ZX…. Only for the bundles. Any chance for a ZX only preorder?
Also, is the coil included at 100us?

I don’t sell them by themselves or without coils anymore as some people ordered it that way and then couldn’t install the coil. Rather than deal with that I decided to just make it easy for everyone and offer plug & play solutions. At least for the ZX/L, as the coil is friction fit.

You can order the bundle without the controller, but not without the coil.

This is exactly why I try to spread the word, people need to be more aware of your know-how and innovation!

Thanks for your support friend, together we will overcome this vapor madness 🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️🧟‍♂️

😄🚀🚀🚀🛸🛸🛸
 

dtrdrk

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Maybe you could then also add the option to buy the bundle without pid AND without bowl?
For now i want to get the injector only. Please add an option for that.
 
dtrdrk,

RedZep

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The FP was made from grade 2 titanium so the bowl heats up nearly instantly. It’s a materials thing, adding or removing balls doesn’t change the fact that a metal vape is always going to be much more conductive by design, as the materials are, scientifically speaking, much more thermally conductive.

That’s why the wood bowls are popular as they are porous and insulating enough to actually decouple that conduction transfer so they effectively convert a metal vape to true convection.

I love wood as an aesthetic option, but as a bowl I find wood has too much of its own flavor/personality and is sensitive to harsh cleaning.





I don’t really talk about the science much anymore in here as I find that people don’t wanna hear it as it goes against to many myths which dominate the industry. But I did spend 6+ hours a day for almost three years reading heat transfer journals and PhD thesis papers on thermodynamics advancements.

So without addressing that device in any specific way I will say as an observer of the industry there is an overwhelming amount of people seeking to heat a vape up as high as it can possibly get without combusting, while simultaneously looking to cool the vapor down as much as possible before inhaling.

That’s called fractional distillation. It’s the opposite of a full spectrum experience.

I think it was that one dude sitting under the apple tree who said “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”

I could talk about this for hours but I digress.
Anyways my pen shaped vape is based on stuff like this, thermodynamic optimization. 😄😄
Yeah when I go really high temp with the Tempest, it feels like a really potent convection high, but it doesn't feel full spectrum. There is a sharp edge to the high. It doesn't feel rounded or full. Just feels single pointed and powerful.

I really enjoy low temp vaping, but I find many vapes don't perform well at lower temps. I've heard the ZX is very capable at this, and it's the reason I ordered one.
 

coolbreeze

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I don’t really talk about the science much anymore in here as I find that people don’t wanna hear it as it goes against to many myths which dominate the industry. But I did spend 6+ hours a day for almost three years reading heat transfer journals and PhD thesis papers on thermodynamics advancements.
I've learned a lot chatting with you and reading your thoughts. I don't have the background for a lot of the science nor the time to acquire that, but I do feel you are able to convey the concepts simply and clearly, my own ability to absorb notwithstanding. Thank you for sharing the benefits of your labors. : )

It’s a materials thing, adding or removing balls doesn’t change the fact that a metal vape is always going to be much more conductive by design, as the materials are, scientifically speaking, much more thermally conductive.
Hadn't occurred to me but of course! Regardless of the temp, more or less.
 

leanpubpackage

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The FP was made from grade 2 titanium so the bowl heats up nearly instantly. It’s a materials thing, adding or removing balls doesn’t change the fact that a metal vape is always going to be much more conductive by design, as the materials are, scientifically speaking, much more thermally conductive.

That’s why the wood bowls are popular as they are porous and insulating enough to actually decouple that conduction transfer so they effectively convert a metal vape to true convection.

I love wood as an aesthetic option, but as a bowl I find wood has too much of its own flavor/personality and is sensitive to harsh cleaning.





I don’t really talk about the science much anymore in here as I find that people don’t wanna hear it as it goes against to many myths which dominate the industry. But I did spend 6+ hours a day for almost three years reading heat transfer journals and PhD thesis papers on thermodynamics advancements.

So without addressing that device in any specific way I will say as an observer of the industry there is an overwhelming amount of people seeking to heat a vape up as high as it can possibly get without combusting, while simultaneously looking to cool the vapor down as much as possible before inhaling.

That’s called fractional distillation. It’s the opposite of a full spectrum experience.

I think it was that one dude sitting under the apple tree who said “Every action has an equal and opposite reaction”

I could talk about this for hours but I digress.
Anyways my pen shaped vape is based on stuff like this, thermodynamic optimization. 😄😄
Are you saying that excessive heat from RTL type hits can destroy some of the entourage effects? Or the fact that you’re extracting and then condensing all of the extracted goodness through cooling?
 

huskybusky

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Not to shoot myself in the foot but the ZX was designed to always be 100% pure convection, even if you left it attached for hours. That was always the real test for a convection device.
I am not put off by this at all. I really enjoy the lotus which is pure convection, and it seems like the zx has a similar optimal load size to a lotus. If I could have that *chefs kiss* perfect single convection hit on tap without the torch I would be a very happy woman.
Don't be dissuaded but the lack of conduction, this is such an enjoyable vape that you'd almost certainly love it. I dig how full the highs feel!
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Haha, I was sold on this thing like 30 pages ago. Now I just need to find a handle...
 

invertedisdead

PHASE3
Manufacturer
Alright gang just finalizing the engineering on the 25MM wireless diffuser with my manufacturer.
Going back over everything to try and whittle the price down for everyone as much as I can.


Are you saying that excessive heat from RTL type hits can destroy some of the entourage effects? Or the fact that you’re extracting and then condensing all of the extracted goodness through cooling?

The second one for sure and we can easily demonstrate that; but most likely the first one occurs to some degree as well depending on how quickly you attempt to perform the extraction; however it's hard to say if that would be perceived as a negative or not.

I've only seen one lab test comparing the two, but with combustion there was actually a wider spectrum/bandwidth of cannabinoids (which create the entourage effect) than in vaporization.

Apparently the more destructive process "degrades" existing compounds into new ones, this is how THC works as well, as a degradation byproduct of THCA.




If I could have that *chefs kiss* perfect single convection hit on tap without the torch I would be a very happy woman.

That's exactly what I use the ZX for all day long, I bet you would enjoy it with a J hook if you dig the Lotus, that's gonna be some terp surfing' flavor chasin' goodness!
 
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