Camouflet Convector XL

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Camouflet

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Hello FC,

The Convector XL is here! With a wider and shallower chamber for even "one hit" extraction capability. Enjoy mini sessions and powerful rips. With a standard 14mm tapered mouthpiece it pairs perfectly with your existing glass. The XL design is the logical progression from the Convector standard, taking the innovative convection heater matrix technology and applying it to a form factor power users will appreciate. With a 70% larger heater matrix, the XL is more forgiving during heat up and the extra thermal energy penetrates more uniformly resulting in unmatched rapid extraction capability. When the XL is paired with the Inductor it is one of the fastest extraction devices on the market today. Only offered in Titanium with 8mm connections, the Convector XL is lightweight and compatible with your favourite stems and parts in your collection. A quad bore ceramic tube is included for added cooling and provides a ceramic air path. The large, 0.2g chamber delivers a serious amount of delicious vapor.

Specs:
  • Titanium Construction
  • 14mm Chamber Diameter with 0.2g capacity
  • Chamber Cooling Fins decrease vapor temperature and stem temperature
  • Removable Quad Bore Ceramic Cooling airpath
  • Quad Bore tube is 4x less restrictive than Standard version
  • 70% larger heating matrix

We’re launching the Convector XL with 15% off as a pre-order deal with an estimated shipping date of Dec. 15th.

Camouflet website link - https://camouflet.com/products/convector-xl

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leanpubpackage

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what’s the new bowl diameter? Any reason you’re sticking to punched screens instead of mesh? I’d probably swap it out for mesh if I get one
 
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Camouflet

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leanpubpackage said:
what’s the new bowl diameter? Any reason you’re sticking to punched screens instead of mesh? I’d probably swap it out for mesh if I get one
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The chamber or bowl Inner diameter is 14mm. The screens we use are precision photoetched and not punched. We find they have must less draw resistance, are more durable, and retain their shape better especially in a large-diameter device. The XL has a revised version from the Convector Standard with a finer hole pattern. That said, users who like mesh screens will have no problem swapping it out or even putting the mesh in on top of the stock screen.
 
Sour Dream

Sour Dream

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definitely interested this is mostly what i wanted out of an upgrade, cap is biggeer than i expected from the pics
 
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BeltedCoyote

BeltedCoyote

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Dang. I was looking at snagging a Stainless convector as a compliment to my trusty m+...but this XL now shows up.

Decisions, decisions
 
sesh732

sesh732

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Has it been tested with the Wand, or confirmed that it fits into the Wand?

Can I use the tip and cap with any of my 8mm stems, or my current convector stem?
Thanks
 
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Camouflet

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sesh732 said:
Has it been tested with the Wand, or confirmed that it fits into the Wand?
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Yes, the Convector XL is also optimized for pairing with the wand. Heating only takes 10-14 blinks in the wand from cold start. In the video you'll notice we start heating with the cap only halfway inserted into the coil and then we insert it all the way for the last two blinks. We find this to be helpful for one hit extraction. The Convector XL is quite large for the wand to power, for optimal results it's best to always use fully charged batteries.
sesh732 said:
Can I use the tip and cap with any of my 8mm stems, or my current convector stem?
Thanks
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Yes! The Convector XL stem and chamber connections are 8mm.


 
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Camouflet

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Hello everyone,

Quick update, our suppliers are moving slightly behind schedule. The Convector XL and other Camouflet new releases will now be shipping in January. We will share more updates as we get closer to shipping. Thanks for your patience.
 
coolbreeze

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My XL (and Injector) landed yesterday! I'm pleased that after extensive testing I woke up to find nothing burned down or broken. My initial reaction is that this is really becoming an amazing ecosystem around the Inductor. Both of these new pieces are fantastic, with a little room for improvement.
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The XL is pretty much as described: very forgiving, very efficient. I really appreciate the 'standard' fitting. The stem works very well, but I love it through glass:
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Direct is cool and tasty, but I feel like these shine as bong vapes.

And in fact the XL has hidden, bong-friendly talents. It makes a more-than-passable diffuser chamber for the Injector, and a great chamber for the CC Omega 14mm injector!
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Quick reactions:
--the XL heats immediately, the top glows like crazy, but that is not a measure of its performance. Much less heat is transferred to the herbs than you'd think.
--The size and forgiving nature make torching it slightly more challenging for pocket torches than the OG is. Nevertheless it works fine, just requires a little more heat.
--Heating with the Injector caused a different kind of discoloring than I've seen. The heat and slight pressure from using it has caused the top to dome inwards slightly.
--The cap is very tight on mine but it does seem to be loosening a little.
--The Injector takes and holds and delivers a LOT of heat. The difference in heating these two pieces is really interesting. The XL heats to a glow in like a second, and requires being hit as soon as the glow is gone; gives a nice cool lungful. The Injector heats much slower, and at the very first sign of color it is ready! Or really, more than ready: it usually requires a bit of time to reach equilibrium and begin to cool before you can really take more than very quick puffs. Heat can last throughout a small/med bowl. Very powerful potentially.
--the cool-down time differs significantly: the XL is cool in seconds, the Injector really requires some time to cool.

Things that I think could use fixin':
--The tight cap is maybe just a tolerance issue. I think it will be fine.
--The landing pad on my Injector head is slightly too small to fit the F-Core on mine, but it still works amazingly. I worry that the edges of the divot could chip the core; hopefully not an issue.
--The handle I feel could be improved. I love the handle itself, the Oak is lovely and the shape is beautiful. The problem is it probably wont allow the head to sit in a coil for more than the brief moments it will take to heat it. The handle is probably too close to the coil and has no dispersion fins. Also, I would make it fit the emerging 10-24 threading ''standard'' so that users can also get heat diffusers and handles from Ed's TnT , DFreez, CC, etc, or use this oaken handle on other heaters.

Bottom line: excellent gear! Really a different set of approaches in this system that work extremely well. If you can make it past the entry point with the Inductor, the ecosystem is complete enough to cover most or all of a person's vaporizing needs, and most of the pieces work well outside the ecosystem. Brilliant work overall, and these two new devices are wonderful parts of that whole. Wholeheartedly recommended!

PS: Should I try to torch the Injector? I'm so tempted to torch it!
 
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Choices

Choices

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coolbreeze said:
My XL (and Injector) landed yesterday! I'm pleased that after extensive testing I woke up to find nothing burned down or broken. My initial reaction is that this is really becoming an amazing ecosystem around the Inductor. Both of these new pieces are fantastic, with a little room for improvement.
IMG-6960.jpg


The XL is pretty much as described: very forgiving, very efficient. I really appreciate the 'standard' fitting. The stem works very well, but I love it through glass:
IMG-6963.jpg
IMG-6964.jpg

Direct is cool and tasty, but I feel like these shine as bong vapes.

And in fact the XL has hidden, bong-friendly talents. It makes a more-than-passable diffuser chamber for the Injector, and a great chamber for the CC Omega 14mm injector!
IMG-6971.jpg
IMG-6972.jpg


Quick reactions:
--the XL heats immediately, the top glows like crazy, but that is not a measure of its performance. Much less heat is transferred to the herbs than you'd think.
--The size and forgiving nature make torching it slightly more challenging for pocket torches than the OG is. Nevertheless it works fine, just requires a little more heat.
--Heating with the Injector caused a different kind of discoloring than I've seen. The heat and slight pressure from using it has caused the top to dome inwards slightly.
--The cap is very tight on mine but it does seem to be loosening a little.
--The Injector takes and holds and delivers a LOT of heat. The difference in heating these two pieces is really interesting. The XL heats to a glow in like a second, and requires being hit as soon as the glow is gone; gives a nice cool lungful. The Injector heats much slower, and at the very first sign of color it is ready! Or really, more than ready: it usually requires a bit of time to reach equilibrium and begin to cool before you can really take more than very quick puffs. Heat can last throughout a small/med bowl. Very powerful potentially.
--the cool-down time differs significantly: the XL is cool in seconds, the Injector really requires some time to cool.

Things that I think could use fixin':
--The tight cap is maybe just a tolerance issue. I think it will be fine.
--The landing pad on my Injector head is slightly too small to fit the F-Core on mine, but it still works amazingly. I worry that the edges of the divot could chip the core; hopefully not an issue.
--The handle I feel could be improved. I love the handle itself, the Oak is lovely and the shape is beautiful. The problem is it probably wont allow the head to sit in a coil for more than the brief moments it will take to heat it. The handle is probably too close to the coil and has no dispersion fins. Also, I would make it fit the emerging 10-24 threading ''standard'' so that users can also get heat diffusers and handles from Ed's TnT , DFreez, CC, etc, or use this oaken handle on other heaters.

Bottom line: excellent gear! Really a different set of approaches in this system that work extremely well. If you can make it past the entry point with the Inductor, the ecosystem is complete enough to cover most or all of a person's vaporizing needs, and most of the pieces work well outside the ecosystem. Brilliant work overall, and these two new devices are wonderful parts of that whole. Wholeheartedly recommended!

PS: Should I try to torch the Injector? I'm so tempted to torch it!
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Yes please torch it! I’m looking for a ball vape equivalent for our backwoods camping experience. Figure this with a Chill Steel Pipes bong and a non glass injector bowl will make it a pretty much breakage free experience. But I don’t have plans or funds for the Inductor nor a long enough extension to reach the primitive campground area we fancy…😁
 
coolbreeze

coolbreeze

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Choices said:
Yes please torch it! I’m looking for a ball vape equivalent for our backwoods camping experience. Figure this with a Chill Steel Pipes bong and a non glass injector bowl will make it a pretty much breakage free experience. But I don’t have plans or funds for the Inductor nor a long enough extension to reach the primitive campground area we fancy…😁
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It worked! And the handle seems reasonably heat-resistant. I'll have more in the Injector thread.
 
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vapmin

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1) Does the Convector XL work well with a smaller* amount of (plant) material in the chamber?

2) Is it suitable for use with a jet lighter?**

*If unsure how to interpret 'smaller', I suggest 'less than 50% full'.
With a regular Convector or DynaVap M (though I haven't tried the latest one, only the 2019 through 2021 versions), I would be inclined to fill the chamber above 50% of the full capacity, for the purposes of getting a satisfactory vapour-to-air ratio. I'm interested in the XL as I feel the desire to have a larger chamber capacity, but I'm thinking that I might be inclined to fill it up less at times, and I'm wondering how well this works. I decided I'm not into owning multiple vapes, and I'd give away my Convector Ti to a friend if I got the XL, so this is why I'm wondering this. Possibly with a better technique or understanding of how vapour should feel on the throat (I'm sorry to say that I haven't totally given up combustion, though I try to minimise it and my goal is to never do it), I could use a regular Convector or DV M satisfactorily with a small amount of plant material inside, so maybe this question is a bit unnecessary in that regard, but this is where I'm at currently.

**As Camouflet sells an induction heater, and stated in the thread for the regular Convector that it produces optimal results when used with an induction heater, I was thinking maybe it's possible that the XL has been designed exclusively with induction heaters in mind, but maybe it's been designed primarily for use with induction heaters but is also compatible with lighters, or even equally for induction heaters and lighters (though, on balance, I suppose this is probably not the case judging by what is the case for the regular Convector). In case the one of the first two scenarios is the case, I was wondering whether a) it's even intended for use with a lighter and b) whether a good result can be achieved with a lighter. I suspect things haven't swung sufficiently heavily in the direction of induction heaters that torch lighter compatibility would be deprecated, and obviously the design of the XL is clearly similar enough to the smaller-sized Convectors, but one can't rule something out without sufficient information.
 
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Camouflet

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vapmin said:
1) Does the Convector XL work well with a smaller* amount of (plant) material in the chamber?

2) Is it suitable for use with a jet lighter?**

*If unsure how to interpret 'smaller', I suggest 'less than 50% full'.
With a regular Convector or DynaVap M (though I haven't tried the latest one, only the 2019 through 2021 versions), I would be inclined to fill the chamber above 50% of the full capacity, for the purposes of getting a satisfactory vapour-to-air ratio. I'm interested in the XL as I feel the desire to have a larger chamber capacity, but I'm thinking that I might be inclined to fill it up less at times, and I'm wondering how well this works. I decided I'm not into owning multiple vapes, and I'd give away my Convector Ti to a friend if I got the XL, so this is why I'm wondering this. Possibly with a better technique or understanding of how vapour should feel on the throat (I'm sorry to say that I haven't totally given up combustion, though I try to minimise it and my goal is to never do it), I could use a regular Convector or DV M satisfactorily with a small amount of plant material inside, so maybe this question is a bit unnecessary in that regard, but this is where I'm at currently.

**From the above interaction, I assume the answer to question 2 is 'yes', but as Camouflet sells an induction heater, I was thinking maybe the XL has been designed primarily or even exclusively with induction heaters in mind, but maybe it's been designed equally for induction heaters and lighters. In case the former is the case, I was wondering whether a) it's even intended for use with a lighter and b) whether a good result can be achieved with a lighter. I suspect things haven't swung sufficiently heavily in the direction of induction heaters that torch lighter compatibility would be deprecated, and obviously the design of the XL is clearly similar enough to the smaller-sized Convectors, but one can't rule something out without sufficient information.
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Hopefully, other members will also weigh in on your questions but here are our answers.

1. Yes, the Convector XL works very well with smaller amounts and is a great device for those interested in micro-dosing. As long as the chamber screen is covered with material the XL will work its magic. This is one of the advantages intrinsic to a convection design. The heated air will, one naturally flatten out the flower in the chamber, and two, weave its way in around every nook and cranny transferring that heat to the material. The aspect ratio on the XL chamber is a bit different than on the Standard, wider and shallower, which improves these effects. You can give the material a slight tamp to keep it in place against the chamber screen.

2. In testing with users we have seen that most people find the XL Convector is "more forgiving" than the Standard when heating with a torch. This is due to the larger heating plates and greater thermal mass. There is a bigger window in which you can apply a torch flame and get good results without combustion. The Standard Convector will heat faster but you need a more "dialed-in" approach if using a torch. If you have been torch-heating the Standard, the XL will be a breeze.
 
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vapmin

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Thank you for the response, I really appreciate it. I would be interested to hear from others if anyone has any thoughts but I am also satisfied with this response.

One more thing: out of curiosity, can you explain the decision to move away from the single-bore inner tube for this device? Was it resulting in too much heat transferred through the tube to the mouth (i.e. vapour/air of too high a temperature), because the device is bigger and I presume can get hotter or produces a greater quantity of vapour, and does the wider design of the XL cap result in greater air flow, thus counteracting the need/desire for a single bore tube?
 
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Camouflet

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vapmin said:
Thank you for the response, I really appreciate it. I would be interested to hear from others if anyone has any thoughts but I am also satisfied with this response.

One more thing: out of curiosity, can you explain the decision to move away from the single-bore inner tube for this device? Was it resulting in too much heat transferred to the mouth, because the device is bigger and I presume can get hotter or produces a greater quantity of vapour, and does the wider design of the XL cap result in greater air flow, thus counteracting the need/desire for a single bore tube?
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Yes, your assumptions on the quad-bore tube are pretty much correct. The total heat load from the XL can be greater, but because the stem is larger we can use a much larger quad-bore. This means the draw restriction from the quad-bore is minimal in the XL and the cooling is increased over the Standard. We would not necessarily say a quad-bore is needed or mandatory but we think for the XL it is a good balance. A single bore would provide less cooling and only marginally less draw restriction so we felt it was not something worth offering at this time. And for maximum flow, you can use both devices without any tube installed.
 
coolbreeze

coolbreeze

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vapmin said:
Thank you for the response, I really appreciate it. I would be interested to hear from others if anyone has any thoughts but I am also satisfied with this response.

One more thing: out of curiosity, can you explain the decision to move away from the single-bore inner tube for this device? Was it resulting in too much heat transferred through the tube to the mouth (i.e. vapour/air of too high a temperature), because the device is bigger and I presume can get hotter or produces a greater quantity of vapour, and does the wider design of the XL cap result in greater air flow, thus counteracting the need/desire for a single bore tube?
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I does work fine with a smaller amount. I have it about 1/3 full and it's having no problem. I just crank the torch and swirl it a bit for coverage. Works great with enough heat.
 
coolbreeze

coolbreeze

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vapmin said:
Thank you. I assume 'swirl it' as in stir the contents. Would you say it works well without swirling?
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I'm sorry, I meant swirling the torch over the cap. I heat this and the OG by cranking my pocket torch (Eagles, usually) and pointing directly downward at the top of the cap until it glows. With the small one the width of the flame more than covers the top getting the entire thing glowing, with the XL you tend to get an orange dot in the middle. If you swirl the torch around surface of the top, you can get almost the entire thing glowing. A bigger torch might get better coverage.

It works great without stirring. The heat is managed well and is spread evenly, it looks like. Mine seems to roast very evenly despite the heating method.
 
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Good. I don't like stirring.

Up until now I've predominantly been using a DV-style heating method (with the standard-size Convector) by holding the vape horizontally, perpendicular to the flame which I hold vertically, and spinning the device. However, I've just watched the section of the Kraut Minus Clouds video review of the standard Convector (the review which Camouflet recently posted in the standard Convector thread) which deals with the reviewer's suggested torch heating technique, and I've just tried it and adapted* it to my lighter, and I've realised that I was probably using an inefficient method.

*I use a pocket lighter style torch instead of a chef-style one, and based on preliminary observations the flame seems to fail quite soon after lighting it when pointing it at such a downward angle as they do in the video, with the Convector held vertically pointing up. It seems to work better for me if I tilt both the Convector and the lighter, forming an upside-down V shape between them (or thereabouts).

Edit: I use a Jobon single flame lighter. It's a good lighter (decent butane capacity; seems reliable; comfortable to ignite). It's sold on AliExpress.


 
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