TigoleBitties
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They make contact with the PEEK structure that holds the screen. They fit in the oven but the lip of the pot is too tall and wide.
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ConVex vs Frolic vs TB2 (Tafée Bowle II) vs TM2 (Tinymight 2)
- Thread starter dimmusp
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So... I just placed an order for the Frolic! 
The TB2 seller with good prices in Europe (VapeFully) is still getting some new import permits required by the government, so they might not get TB2s back in stock until September...
Aside from that, the tipping point was talking with my wife last night. We currently use a TM2, but had a Crafty+ back in the day. I was going to tell her that the Frolic is kind of similar, and the moment I said "remember the black vape..." she immediately said "oh, that vape was my favorite"!
So I'm looking forward to "giving back" by sharing my own impressions / comparisons in the coming days.
The TB2 seller with good prices in Europe (VapeFully) is still getting some new import permits required by the government, so they might not get TB2s back in stock until September...
Aside from that, the tipping point was talking with my wife last night. We currently use a TM2, but had a Crafty+ back in the day. I was going to tell her that the Frolic is kind of similar, and the moment I said "remember the black vape..." she immediately said "oh, that vape was my favorite"!
So I'm looking forward to "giving back" by sharing my own impressions / comparisons in the coming days.
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Every time a flagship device is released, the question of "how does it compare to *things we are familiar with*" comes up. Usually resulting in a thread like this. Since many people will get the device, but not everyone has all of the devices to compare to, it's a great way to aggregate actual user opinions and get a vibe check on the device.
Somebody has to actually start that thread, though. @dimmusp did a huge favor to not only the FC forum, but also the beleaguered mods, by stepping up. They also did a huge favor pinging the relevant threads to alert users that this discussion exists. Otherwise those threads always get clogged up with "how does it compare to X" and then the mods have to step in and move posts elsewhere.
So thank you, @dimmusp !
On topic, I have the TM2 and frolic. I won't really say anything bad about either device, and am using neither in their stock config. So take this with a grain of salt.
-The devices weigh about the same, with the weight spread out more on the Frolic. This makes the frolic feel both light and heavy, and able to be picked up and held in the fingers rather than a full hamfisted grip.
-frolic seems more durable and able to just be brought out into the world with you, where the TM2 is more of a delicate indoors situation. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a frolic on a construction site or used with gloves on a snowy hike, nor would I be to see the TM2 in some luxurious lounge with leather chairs and books and brass lamps and such. I'd be surprised to see them in reversed locations.
-frolic is easier to handle, use, and operate, but the TM2 is vastly nicer to hold in your hand (to the point of being a really nice fidget toy). So I prefer to use the frolic, and prefer to hold the TM2.
-frolic provides bigger clouds with the most wide open airflow I've ever experienced in a portable. I'm running a 9mm opening on my mouthpiece and airflow is crazy.
-heatup is faster than the TM2 by several seconds. So 5 second warmup compared with 8 seconds. Not much but it feels huge. The comment that it's like using an oil pen is very apt. The TM2 surprised me with how fast it's on demand is, where you press a button and start using it quickly, but the frolic surprised me again even with the TM2 as baseline.
-The stem loaded design of the TM2 is straight up easier than anything where you dump herb in the device. Yes, I can just scoop right into the oven on the frolic, but I can also just dig a TM2 stem into the pre ground herb to load, which is easier. I look forward to a proper high flow dosing cap solution for the frolic. It would be perfect, then.
-Battery life on the frolic feels infinite, but I haven't used it as much as others. In spite of having lots of 18650, I tend to throw the TM2 on the charger every chance I get, which leads to a lot of "range anxiety" with it. The performance drop when it hits blue LED is noticeable, and I never want to reach it and have to wait for it to top back up. FWIW, both battery caps have very fine threading that I worry about cross threading since aluminum is soft, but the frolic feels easier to screw in place and less likely to cross thread.
-The design of the frolic is more "stealthy" than the TM2. It's just more understated, though both look like a high end ecig.
-The low/no standby drain on the TM2 is awesome. You can turn it on and leave it on for an evening or day and just pick it up to hit the button. I wish the frolic had a mode where it would "wake up" when you pressed the button, instead of turning itself off after a few minutes. Future versions of the TM2 seem like they will do away with the "always on" feature, which will even the playing field.
I guess, in short, we live in a glorious time for dry herb vaporizers. People would be happy with either one, I think.
Somebody has to actually start that thread, though. @dimmusp did a huge favor to not only the FC forum, but also the beleaguered mods, by stepping up. They also did a huge favor pinging the relevant threads to alert users that this discussion exists. Otherwise those threads always get clogged up with "how does it compare to X" and then the mods have to step in and move posts elsewhere.
So thank you, @dimmusp !
On topic, I have the TM2 and frolic. I won't really say anything bad about either device, and am using neither in their stock config. So take this with a grain of salt.
-The devices weigh about the same, with the weight spread out more on the Frolic. This makes the frolic feel both light and heavy, and able to be picked up and held in the fingers rather than a full hamfisted grip.
-frolic seems more durable and able to just be brought out into the world with you, where the TM2 is more of a delicate indoors situation. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a frolic on a construction site or used with gloves on a snowy hike, nor would I be to see the TM2 in some luxurious lounge with leather chairs and books and brass lamps and such. I'd be surprised to see them in reversed locations.
-frolic is easier to handle, use, and operate, but the TM2 is vastly nicer to hold in your hand (to the point of being a really nice fidget toy). So I prefer to use the frolic, and prefer to hold the TM2.
-frolic provides bigger clouds with the most wide open airflow I've ever experienced in a portable. I'm running a 9mm opening on my mouthpiece and airflow is crazy.
-heatup is faster than the TM2 by several seconds. So 5 second warmup compared with 8 seconds. Not much but it feels huge. The comment that it's like using an oil pen is very apt. The TM2 surprised me with how fast it's on demand is, where you press a button and start using it quickly, but the frolic surprised me again even with the TM2 as baseline.
-The stem loaded design of the TM2 is straight up easier than anything where you dump herb in the device. Yes, I can just scoop right into the oven on the frolic, but I can also just dig a TM2 stem into the pre ground herb to load, which is easier. I look forward to a proper high flow dosing cap solution for the frolic. It would be perfect, then.
-Battery life on the frolic feels infinite, but I haven't used it as much as others. In spite of having lots of 18650, I tend to throw the TM2 on the charger every chance I get, which leads to a lot of "range anxiety" with it. The performance drop when it hits blue LED is noticeable, and I never want to reach it and have to wait for it to top back up. FWIW, both battery caps have very fine threading that I worry about cross threading since aluminum is soft, but the frolic feels easier to screw in place and less likely to cross thread.
-The design of the frolic is more "stealthy" than the TM2. It's just more understated, though both look like a high end ecig.
-The low/no standby drain on the TM2 is awesome. You can turn it on and leave it on for an evening or day and just pick it up to hit the button. I wish the frolic had a mode where it would "wake up" when you pressed the button, instead of turning itself off after a few minutes. Future versions of the TM2 seem like they will do away with the "always on" feature, which will even the playing field.
I guess, in short, we live in a glorious time for dry herb vaporizers. People would be happy with either one, I think.
OlfactoryHue
Member
out of curiosity.. the battery in the frolic, does the dimension of it fit in the TM2/could fit with minor tweak? How is the frolic getting so much power in comparison.. seems over 2x the use/longevity in the frolic vs TM2..... speculation/likelihood TM switches to same battery type if it would fit as they did tease something on power or battery ... 
I don't see that working. It is 3mm wider and 5mm longer. The TM2 Molicels are what, 2.800mAh? The battery in the frolic is 5.000mAh so that's probably the (main) reason, maybe the Frolic also uses the energy slightly more efficiently.
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out of curiosity.. the battery in the frolic, does the dimension of it fit in the TM2/could fit with minor tweak? How is the frolic getting so much power in comparison.. seems over 2x the use/longevity in the frolic vs TM2..... speculation/likelihood TM switches to same battery type if it would fit as they did tease something on power or battery ...
Unfortunately not, which really is unfortunate. They'd need to bore it out to size and use a hollow cap for the height difference. If this was a metal or PEEK bodied device, that would be trivial, but wood would likely crack or break if the walls were thinner (maybe).
21700's are just so much better for high draw applications. An expert could say it better than I but, when a lot of power is asked of an 18650 it gets devoured, where a 21700 can shrug it off. In the flashlight world it's crazy what you can ask of a 21700 and still have a long lasting flashlight in your pocket. The same thing with 18650 is just a pocket rocket piece to show off with. (Emisar DT8 vs DT8k, for instance).
OlfactoryHue
Member
word... seems if they made the body bigger to make room for a bigger bore hole it would work though.. in theory... .5mm/8mm isnt' so crazy the device would be unrecognizable but i'd figure eventually they have to adapt and find gains in battery use somewhere.. maybe not but seems like an ideal place for update
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Agreed.
Probably the main reason I never got a TM2 was the reported battery life. I've been a slave to batteries on other devices before and I learned that I really dislike the anxiety of worrying about battery life. Some users also mentioned that the performance seems to degrade once you hit a certain threshold of low battery level (blue light?).
I just didn't want to deal that even though most everything else about the device is great.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
This is not the case in a properly working TM, so I'd guess anyone saying that was likely mistaken or dealing with specific uncommon issues... I'm using old batteries in fact, still don't have any issues with a power drop off in my old TM2 at blue light (or red), and I'm just used to the battery management with spares of 18650 in rotation, knowing how many bowls hits I'd get etc. I'm sure the battery life with 21700 is another level, though yes the size and weight can be a concern, I would appreciate the all-in-one peace of mind you get if out about
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Actually just tried to pocket the Frolic today for the first time and it's not bad. You can definitely see a bulge (insert joke here) but it's not at all uncomfortable. No sharp edges are poking you. Definitely a front pocket thing though unless you want to be the first person to have a Frolic surgically removed.
OlfactoryHue
Member
the dark mode/PH they have been teasing is sleek af
Numerous_Nothing
Well-Known Member
I agree with all of the above, and hope to provide some better feedback at some point. The weight is slightly different - 262g for the Frolic vs 225g for the TM2 (with stock CU).Every time a flagship device is released, the question of "how does it compare to *things we are familiar with*" comes up. Usually resulting in a thread like this. Since many people will get the device, but not everyone has all of the devices to compare to, it's a great way to aggregate actual user opinions and get a vibe check on the device.
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I guess, in short, we live in a glorious time for dry herb vaporizers. People would be happy with either one, I think.
Your picture though - please tell me your special/awesome aftermarket stems for the TM2 fit in the Frolic!
I share your anxiety. Which is why my TM2 travel pack has a charger, and 2 backup batteries (and I've got another 4 - for what scenario, I have no idea.)
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Yeah I hear you. But then what happens is you end up feeling like a pack mule
with all the extra gear.I like that the frolic can handle 8 bowls in an evening if I'm out. One extra battery and I can share with friends.
Right now my travel case is a hermit shell case that used to house my AVLP (not a big device) and I can fit capsules, a brush, a small stash and an extra battery. Super compact and I'm loving it.
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
I think I understand as I've owned some Solos over the years including the latest one. Stem loaders are the cleanest and a great system.Frolic looks very enticing! But it's very difficult for me to move away from a glass stem loaded device like the TM2.
Dejan is planning a direct-to-oven attachment that will bypass the CU. Not the same as a stem loader but maybe more to your liking?
Merrovingian
New Member
I have a TM2 Ph version and i really curios about TB2 more than the frolic...do some of you have the TB2 in order to compare them ? Thanks
fangorn
Well-Known Member
Great discussion!!!
Frolic, noir Tinymight, conVex, Tafee Bowl...
That, plus the holidays to finance... back-to-school to prepare for...
It's a huge budget... if you have Dan Morrison vaporizers lying around in a drawer because they're not regulated... I can help you finance your projects
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-I had a TM OG. Sold it to finance other purchases. It was really effective, but the airflow wasn't perfectly isolated.
I've always resisted the TM2 since then.
-I owned a Tafee OG. Traded it in because I was tired of finding paint dust in my flowers, and Tafee couldn't solve the problem despite the "machined stem."
I loved this vape otherwise... perfect for watching a soccer game, a movie... or being discreet with the neighbors.
-I owned a Fw7. Sold it because I preferred the durability of the TM. I really liked the vape signature and the hybrid feel. Too much of a cleanliness obsessive to keep this ceramic and vaporizer clean.
I owned a FW9, but it didn't work, and it took me a month and two weeks for Marc to fix the problem. That's it for me with these models!
I'll keep reading the praise for the Frolic...
Maybe one day, a wooden version will come out and I'll be captivated... I have two 21700 batteries in a cupboard, waiting for a vaporizer...
In the meantime... I'll continue building my collection of unregulated vaporizers
Frolic, noir Tinymight, conVex, Tafee Bowl...
That, plus the holidays to finance... back-to-school to prepare for...
It's a huge budget... if you have Dan Morrison vaporizers lying around in a drawer because they're not regulated... I can help you finance your projects
Edit:
-I had a TM OG. Sold it to finance other purchases. It was really effective, but the airflow wasn't perfectly isolated.
I've always resisted the TM2 since then.
-I owned a Tafee OG. Traded it in because I was tired of finding paint dust in my flowers, and Tafee couldn't solve the problem despite the "machined stem."
I loved this vape otherwise... perfect for watching a soccer game, a movie... or being discreet with the neighbors.
-I owned a Fw7. Sold it because I preferred the durability of the TM. I really liked the vape signature and the hybrid feel. Too much of a cleanliness obsessive to keep this ceramic and vaporizer clean.
I owned a FW9, but it didn't work, and it took me a month and two weeks for Marc to fix the problem. That's it for me with these models!
I'll keep reading the praise for the Frolic...
Maybe one day, a wooden version will come out and I'll be captivated... I have two 21700 batteries in a cupboard, waiting for a vaporizer...
In the meantime... I'll continue building my collection of unregulated vaporizers
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Numerous_Nothing
Well-Known Member
100%. My TM2 carry case has become ridiculous.
Yeah I hear you. But then what happens is you end up feeling like a pack mule
[Adding to my VAS “to research” another accessory (bag) and spare 21700.] EDIT - @TigoleBitties, which Hermitshell?
This thread made me realize that I have 1/2 of the 4 devices, so I can see a Grand Slam at some point, as the TB2 is calling to me in the distance. I don’t have any idea what a Convex is, but I will.
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I wouldn"t be surprised. This is what happens when Dejan uses wood:
Products – Limelight Mechanics
limelightmechanics.com
TigoleBitties
Big and Bouncy
Here's the link. The Frolic is a near perfect fit, with about a 1/2 inch of clearance lengthwise. A bit tight but still zips up with the extra battery.
Hermitshell Hard EVA Travel Case for TASCAM DR-05 / Tascam DR-05X Portable Digital Recorder : Amazon.ca: Office Products
Hermitshell Hard EVA Travel Case for TASCAM DR-05 / Tascam DR-05X Portable Digital Recorder : Amazon.ca: Office Products
www.amazon.ca
Same here lol. The TB2 is an awesome device and it will remain king of my portables at home because it's just so easy and predictable to use.
The Convex still has my interest but I'm thinking the only advantage it may have over the Frolic is its size. Such a stealthy vape for the power it seems to have.
I've got one and made some comments about it in this thread. I can't compare it to the TM2 though as I don't have one.
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simba
@weedanwine
That size difference, and the change to zirconia in the upcoming version has my interest.
Numerous_Nothing
Well-Known Member
Well, I didn't read all of the ConVex thread, but I did see the IG post about V2. Immediately I coveted it, and rationalized it as being the perfect size for carrying. Then I realized I've just started looking at the Hermitshell case from @TigoleBitties to carry my Frolic. And that I have a case to carry my TM2. And that I have an AVLP2 inbound (well - "inbound" is really "ordered in June").
And I'm wondering if the $406/$449 price for the TB2 is ever lower...
Maybe it was better when this site was less stable and "oops, we've run into problems" was more consistent!