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Flotsam

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Meanwhile Israel is at it again in Gaza . See i always knew the rapist in chief's pronouncement of a Cease Fire was FAKE news (or delusional thinking). Its hard not to notice that now that Netanyahu got what he wanted he totally ignores anything he says.


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Flotsam

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If you are interested in what is in this Massive Bill here is a really good article with commentary about what is in dispute (according to Senate parliamentarian.

If you can't get behind the paywall here is a summary of the huge bill and why its so BAD!!

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This is ALL so Trump's Billionaire Benefactors can get tax cuts. But adds almost $ 5 Trillion to the DEBT.

So basically it Rapes Medicaid (Poor People) to benefit the Rich. The rest of us gets PEANUTS , it is Disgusting & will stifle growth in this country. I doubt my party will have the courage to stand up to Trump so the SHiT show continues.
 
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vapviking

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If you are interested in what is in this Massive Bill here is a really good article with commentary about what is in dispute (according to Senate parliamentarian.

If you can't get behind the paywall here is a summary of the huge bill and why its so BAD!!

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This is ALL so Trump's Billionaire Benefactors can get tax cuts. But adds almost $ 5 Trillion to the DEBT.

So basically it Rapes Medicaid (Poor People) to benefit the Rich. The rest of us gets PEANUTS , it is Disgusting & will stifle growth in this country. I doubt my party will have the courage to stand up to Trump so the SHiT show continues.
And for those who want to go deeper, here is an unlocked link to same article,

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florduh

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Trump is 100% correct. Elon Musk used the money his daddy gave him to play and win the lottery during the .COM bubble. Every bit of his success since has been due to government welfare.

Tesla is also the only major car make that allowed to sell direct to consumer. Because lawmakers made Elon a little cut out. Good example of how there's no such thing as The Free Market. Our government is ruled by rich people, and they write the rules of the market to benefit them above everyone else.
 

Cheebsy

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Saying, "Death, death to the IDF" is certainly impolite. But it isn't antisemitic. Do people just not know what that word means anymore?
This point is also not lost on bob vylan...


Bob Vylan Says ‘We Are Being Targeted for Speaking Up’ After Glastonbury Set Backlash​

“We are not for the death of Jews, Arabs or any other race or group of people. We are for the dismantling of a violent military machine,” the duo said of their “Death to the IDF” chant at Glastonbury

Sorry I couldn't find this statement that wasn't behind some kind of paywall...
 

florduh

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Sorry I couldn't find this statement that wasn't behind some kind of paywall...

Here's the band's full statement:

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This hysteria has been incredible to watch during a week when we discovered IDF officers are regularly ordering soldiers to mass murder unarmed starving civilians.

"Death, Death, to the Waffen SS", you're so Germanophobic😭😭😭😭😭😭😭!!!!


LOL. After the ranked choice votes are tabulated, Zohran beat Cuomo by 12 points! He was polling at 0% 6 months ago. Eric Adams won his primary in 2021 by less than a single percentage point!

Time for Demoncratic Leadership to shut up and bend the knee!


When asked if he believes billionaires have "the right to exist", Mamdani responds, "looking at the income inequality in this city the real question is, 'do working class New Yorkers have the right to exist?'" :nod:
 

macbill

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Flotsam

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how much you wanna bet Rape-boy trump ends up pardoning him for the two lesser crimes? Meanwhile not guilty on sex trafficking & Racketeering.
 

pop22

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You are excused. Failure to participate in a lively (friendly) debate is your problem - not mine. I don't agree with most everything you say but I respect your opinion and your right to communicate as such. I am speechless that you said that white supremacists don't have to be white. Really?

In any event I'm sorry that you don't want to continue the discourse. The tenor of your responses seems to be that you are either angry or frustrated with me. So be it.


In my mind his socialistic leanings are frightening. Yes, I'm aware that the Nordic countries have been successful with their versions of socialism. There are certain attributes that contribute to those successes that the USA doesn't have. Businesses owned by our government, in my opinion, is a real bad idea.


Would you kindly elaborate. You've made a statement that you won't defend nor explain. Why?

Waiting for your response.

Thanks.
And your NOT frightened by the way our Capitalist society is going down the drain? That the top 2 percent has more monetary assets than the other 98%? How about these same billionaire gobbling up prime single family homes to control the housing market. Buying up mobile home parks.. what possible reason for these other than to have these people at their mercy. Ultimate goal is to control everything! I'll trade oligarchy for socialism any day!
 

Rodney

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He never named anyone so he got with most of it and will likely get around 3-4 years for what he was found guilty of.

Lets just pray and hope that he does not try relaunch his music career with some come back tour as that would seriously not cool.

in other news a Scottish pastor did similar to what Diddy and got caught out.


These men in powder are not good men so just be glad if you are some nobody who minds your own business as you are one of the good guys!!! :)
 

Bazinga

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Calling another member a fool is not nice. Warning point issued.
And your NOT frightened by the way our Capitalist society is going down the drain? That the top 2 percent has more monetary assets than the other 98%? How about these same billionaire gobbling up prime single family homes to control the housing market. Buying up mobile home parks.. what possible reason for these other than to have these people at their mercy. Ultimate goal is to control everything! I'll trade oligarchy for socialism any day!
Then you are a fool. Full socialism, I don't believe, has been successful anywhere on the globe. Be careful what you wish for. If you can find the time please research how full socialism has failed everywhere. Some socialist concepts do in fact work and can ostensibly help the poor (welfare, food stamps, etc.) Do you realize that socialism dictates that the means of production must be moved form the private sector to be under government control? Don't you think that would be catastrophic? What should rich folks do with their money? Aimlessly give to people who are poor? Distribution of wealth does not work. Don't believe what the wanna be socialists tell you.

I have no objection to raising taxes on the mega wealthy individuals and corporations to support the needy. Should have been done already. Show me facts to prove our capitalist society is going down the drain. If we were a socialist society we would be considerably worse off.

There are poor people in this country. Also in every country except maybe Monte Carlo (at least this was true the last time I researched on this topic). Not only are there poor people - there will always be poor people as evidenced by history. No matter how much money you throw at the problem it will always be there.

Also, if you can find the time kindly present which billionaires are gobbling up prime single family homes and to what extent. I'll research it also.

Are you Pop due to being a granddad? That's what my grandkids call me. Bless all the grandchildren - truly a gift !!

The American Gestapo will now have a similar budget to the US Army. Printing billions of dollars to terrorize the country for no discernable benefit.


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Do I have to pick one?:)
 
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Rodney

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Diddy has been denied bail


The whole situation is shocking and very bizarre with fans pouring baby oil on themselves outside court like it was all cool.
 

florduh

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Full socialism, I don't believe, has been successful anywhere on the globe

Cuba is very successful despite being subject to constant siege warfare from the United States for over 60 years. I'd say the same for Vietnam. China is currently humiliating the United States on most metrics.

Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba... communism was a massive improvement over what came before. Americans can't really fathom how bad conditions were in those countries pre-revolution.

Do you realize that socialism dictates that the means of production must be moved form the private sector to be under government control?

No, socialism dictates workers should own and operate the means of production, not lazy shareholders. Worker owned enterprise. It's bringing freedom and democracy to the workplace.

Americans love talking about their freedumb, then spend most of their waking lives under a petty dictator.

Distribution of wealth does not work. Don't believe what the wanna be socialists tell you.

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pop22

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Netinyahoo
He never named anyone so he got with most of it and will likely get around 3-4 years for what he was found guilty of.

Lets just pray and hope that he does not try relaunch his music career with some come back tour as that would seriously not cool.

in other news a Scottish pastor did similar to what Diddy and got caught out.


These men in powder are not good men so just be glad if you are some nobody who minds your own business as you are one of the good guys!!! :)
When you live in a swamp, all scum looks the same!
 
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sedentree

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Then you are a fool. Full socialism, I don't believe, has been successful anywhere on the globe. Be careful what you wish for. If you can find the time please research how full socialism has failed everywhere. Some socialist concepts do in fact work and can ostensibly help the poor (welfare, food stamps, etc.) Do you realize that socialism dictates that the means of production must be moved form the private sector to be under government control? Don't you think that would be catastrophic? What should rich folks do with their money? Aimlessly give to people who are poor? Distribution of wealth does not work. Don't believe what the wanna be socialists tell you.

I have no objection to raising taxes on the mega wealthy individuals and corporations to support the needy. Should have been done already. Show me facts to prove our capitalist society is going down the drain. If we were a socialist society we would be considerably worse off.

There are poor people in this country. Also in every country except maybe Monte Carlo (at least this was true the last time I researched on this topic). Not only are there poor people - there will always be poor people as evidenced by history. No matter how much money you throw at the problem it will always be there.

Also, if you can find the time kindly present which billionaires are gobbling up prime single family homes and to what extent. I'll research it also.

Are you Pop due to being a granddad? That's what my grandkids call me. Bless all the grandchildren - truly a gift !!


Do I have to pick one?
:)


Also interesting and linked in the article above: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/06/its-basically-just-immoral-to-be-rich
 

Rodney

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The only problem with taxing the rich more is that they all just leave as they can move country easily with the money they have

For example, the 9500 millionaires widely reported to be leaving the UK in 2024 represented 0.3% of the UK's 3.06 million millionaires. Media reporting widely blamed the alleged millionaire exodus on tax policies in the same year that calls for a wealth tax on the superrich gained unprecedented momentum globally


ALSO to add to the above (mini debate) China seem to be doing pretty good.
 

Flotsam

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JD Vance the gift that keeps Giving

JD Vance: Sending ICE Billions Is More Important Than Your Grandma’s Medicaid​


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Hate to admit i kinda like the pipe. But what' s w the Vagina in the volcano? I dunno never read Lord of the Rings.

There is a quote where JD wondered ahead of Trump’s election whether he was “America’s Hitler” and in 2017 said the then-president was a “moral disaster.” In public, he agreed Trump was a “total fraud” who didn’t care about regular people and called him “reprehensible.”
 
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Bazinga

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Also interesting and linked in the article above: https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2017/06/its-basically-just-immoral-to-be-rich
I will read the article at length when I can. I did however scan but not enough to respond properly. It appears that the author is a socialist. No wonder he leans in that direction. I'll respond in detail after I read it.

I also took a look at the article re: it's basically just immoral to be rich. I had to stop after reading the sentence "Because every dollar you have is a dollar you’re not giving to somebody else, the decision to retain wealth is a decision to deprive others".

Really just another socialists opinion. His statement is outlandish and makes absolutely no sense. We ( not me - I don't have that kind of money) should not be forced to give money to the poor. Many people are very charitable. This should be done via the tax system. Or how about we give the wealthy tax breaks if they contribute to government selected entities e.g homeless organizations, food banks, affordable housing agencies, etc. I don't know but lets say a wealthy person contributes 1 million dollars (or 500 million dollars) to one of the aforementioned organizations the donor may receive a tax break in kind. They would still be responsible to pay income taxes but would get some relief. The money sent directly to there organizations would bypass the governments making these payments. The total amount could be used without the governmental using some of those funds for their bureaucratic spending and administrative expenses which would reduce the net amount those charities would alternatively receive from direct payment. Think this may have some merit?

Most importantly :) how do I get rid of the italics?
 
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