What is on-demand?

[SolidAirrr]

Mod note: this question and discussion were moved from the Limelight Frolic thread.
However, one major difference seems to be the rapid heatup time though.
Also not really sure what 'on demand mode' in the Frolic is supposed to be about. To me that isn't too important and I can only see that really make sense in 'one hitter' way and not so much if it takes as 'long' to heat up as a venty.

 

[Shit Snacks]

However, one major difference seems to be the rapid heatup time though.
Also not really sure what 'on demand mode' in the Frolic is supposed to be about. To me that isn't too important and I can only see that really make sense in 'one hitter' way and not so much if it takes as 'long' to heat up as a venty.

Sounds like you don't understand the on-demand feature in practical use? Heat up time is a different category, how fast... On demand literally just means it heats on demand, at your control, instead of session style automatic heating, it is manual control over the heating function (typically engaged and disengaged with a button) -- so it has nothing to do with speed of extraction, one hitters etc either, as that is by temp/ power

 

[SolidAirrr]

Sounds like you don't understand the on-demand feature in practical use? Heat up time is a different category, how fast... On demand literally just means it heats on demand, at your control, instead of session style automatic heating, it is manual control over the heating function (typically engaged and disengaged with a button) -- so it has nothing to do with speed of extraction, one hitters etc either, as that is by temp/ power

Thanks for trying to clarify. So basically any device can be called that or have that function. I can power off any electric vape by the use of a button. Right?

 

[Shit Snacks]

Thanks for trying to clarify. So basically any device can be called that or have that function. I can power off any electric vape by the use of a button. Right?

No, because you're not controlling the heater, you're just controlling the total power of the device... The heater is still automatic, typically these are session style conduction, as they create the vapor for you constantly cooking... There are plenty of hybrid convection models, session pure convection would be much more rare, but there is also a few on-demand conduction examples... So yeah, typically more power is needed to heat on demand, regardless of how fast exactly

 

[SolidAirrr]

You were right I really don't understand the difference. Or put another way, the distinction doesn't make sense to me.
You just replied "no", it shall not have to do with power on/off. It's supposed to have to do with the heater being controlled. In that sense I'd say "on demand" describes a heater which is not just on to reach set temperature but to hold it constantly. What's the difference to what a heater is supposed to do in session mode then?

 

[mephisto]

On demand means you control the application of heat using the power button.
Session means you turn the device on, and it heats to temp, maintaining that until you stop the session/trigger the power.

 

[SolidAirrr]

On demand means you control the application of heat using the power button.
Session means you turn the device on, and it heats to temp, maintaining that until you stop the session/trigger the power.

This could only be different to my suggested distinction above if one would believe heat super quickly dissipates after releasing that button. Otherwise the difference is that "session" keeps that 'button' pressed for me, while in "on demand" I need to apply pressure. )

Anyway, all good, might have derailed the thread enough by now.
When is that video coming and when does preorder start?

 

[alex91]

This could only be different to my suggested distinction above if one would believe heat super quickly dissipates after releasing that button. Otherwise the difference is that "session" keeps that 'button' pressed for me, while in demand I need to apply pressure. )

Anyway, all good, might have derailed the thread enough by now.
When is that video coming and when does preorder start?

On demand is faster. Let's say you have a 0.1g bowl. Depending on the device, you could finish the bowl in 10-30 seconds in a single pull or two. For session-style, the vapor keeps on going for 5-10 minutes, and you can't finish it off in 1-2 hits.

 

[Shit Snacks]

You were right I really don't understand the difference. Or put another way, the distinction doesn't make sense to me.
You just replied "no", it shall not have to do with power on/off. It's supposed to have to do with the heater being controlled. In that sense I'd say "on demand" describes a heater which is not just on to reach set temperature but to hold it constantly. What's the difference to what a heater is supposed to do in session mode then?

This could only be different to my suggested distinction above if one would believe heat super quickly dissipates after releasing that button. Otherwise the difference is that "session" keeps that 'button' pressed for me, while in "on demand" I need to apply pressure. )

Anyway, all good, might have derailed the thread enough by now.
When is that video coming and when does preorder start?

Sorry, yeah I'd suggest searching around, there are other threads that discuss this, you can look at more on demand examples to see the differences between them and others... What you described was using a session device, "on demand style" which is typically inefficient and not as effective, as the battery heat up takes longer and then the cooldown... True on demand is the way it is designed for use, like any butane vape for example, or a log vape is on demand in use, even though it is constantly left running on and has a slow initial heat up (and even a recovery time after a hit) It's just basic distinction between two different vape use styles, like the MFLB, FW7-10 or Tinymight vs Pax, Arizer or Venty... Tech specs get pretty mixed up with semantics is all but the distinction seems clear to me at least lol

On demand is faster. Let's say you have a 0.1g bowl. Depending on the device, you could finish the bowl in 10-30 seconds in a single pull or two. For session-style, the vapor keeps on going for 5-10 minutes, and you can't finish it off in 1-2 hits.

as I initially tried to explain, on demand does not mean speed... It does not mean speed to heat up, it does not mean speed of extraction, does not mean number of hits

 

[NightMoonWolf]

I think it's explained nicely here:

The Tinymight 2 vaporizer offers two distinct operating modes: On-Demand Mode and Session Mode. Here's a breakdown of each:

On-Demand Mode:

Activation: Press the power button three times quickly to enter on-demand mode; the device will flash to indicate it's ready.

Usage: Hold down the power button to initiate heating. The device heats up rapidly, typically within 2-6 seconds, and vibrates to signal it's ready for inhalation. Release the button after inhaling.

Heating: The heater activates only during inhalation, preserving the herb between draws and minimizing waste.

Ideal For: Users who prefer quick, potent hits without committing to extended sessions.


Session Mode:

Activation: Press the power button three times and continue holding it down until the device vibrates a second time, indicating session mode is active.

Usage: Once activated, the Tinymight 2 maintains a consistent temperature, allowing for multiple draws over an extended period without the need to hold the power button.

Heating: The chamber remains heated throughout the session, continuously vaporizing the herb.

Ideal For: Users who enjoy longer, relaxed sessions with multiple inhalations.


In summary, On-Demand Mode is designed for immediate, potent draws with minimal herb exposure to heat between inhales, making it efficient for quick use. Session Mode, on the other hand, provides a continuous heating experience suitable for extended sessions, allowing for leisurely
consumption over time.

That being said, I really don't like the way the Solo 3 tackles "on demand mode". There's nothing on demand about it. It takes time to heat up (not too long) and the bowl stays hot for awhile after the device turns off, continuously vaporizing the herb (likely the 20% conduction coming into play here).
More like a short session than true on demand.
Likely you would need a 100% convection vaporizer for true on demand.
Just my perspective.

 

[Shit Snacks]

I think it's explained nicely here:

The Tinymight 2 vaporizer offers two distinct operating modes: On-Demand Mode and Session Mode. Here's a breakdown of each:

On-Demand Mode:

Activation: Press the power button three times quickly to enter on-demand mode; the device will flash to indicate it's ready.

Usage: Hold down the power button to initiate heating. The device heats up rapidly, typically within 2-6 seconds, and vibrates to signal it's ready for inhalation. Release the button after inhaling.

Heating: The heater activates only during inhalation, preserving the herb between draws and minimizing waste.

Ideal For: Users who prefer quick, potent hits without committing to extended sessions.


Session Mode:

Activation: Press the power button three times and continue holding it down until the device vibrates a second time, indicating session mode is active.

Usage: Once activated, the Tinymight 2 maintains a consistent temperature, allowing for multiple draws over an extended period without the need to hold the power button.

Heating: The chamber remains heated throughout the session, continuously vaporizing the herb.

Ideal For: Users who enjoy longer, relaxed sessions with multiple inhalations.


In summary, On-Demand Mode is designed for immediate, potent draws with minimal herb exposure to heat between inhales, making it efficient for quick use. Session Mode, on the other hand, provides a continuous heating experience suitable for extended sessions, allowing for leisurely
consumption over time.

That being said, I really don't like the way the Solo 3 tackles "on demand mode". There's nothing on demand about it. It takes time to heat up (not too long) and the bowl stays hot for awhile after the device turns off, continuously vaporizing the herb (likely the 20% conduction coming into play here).
More like a short session than true on demand.
Likely you would need a 100% convection vaporizer for true on demand.
Just my perspective.

I think what you described, gets at my point as well, TM is on demand regardless, possession mode there is more like auto fire holding the trigger down for you, does not change the pure convection aspect of creating vapor only as you inhale hot air through the herbs, though there will be a radiant heat and resulting conduction possible depending on use exactly... So there is a bit of a misnomer, more for simple marketing imo

Because similarly with Solo 3, the on-demand mode does not change the function, where the tech is predominantly hybrid conduction cleaning with prominent convection more noticeable with the S3, OD mode simply gives you more control, like micro sessions, not the same as other on demand vapes in my experience...

Current true on demand vapes would include: Firewood, Tinymight, Tetra, Tafee Bowle, butane powered options as well, MFLB and other oldies, many discontinued (aside from difficulties with startups in this industry, this gets at the trickiness of on demand battery-powered devices as they need power and well thought out to sign for the effective versatility)

Xmax v3pro and xlux Roffu, are a bit different, I think with their size, they are a bit better at doing double duty, feeling more session hybrid with that mode, or true pure convection with the on demand mode (although it is much slower not as capable as the higher end models in a variety of ways for me)