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Supreme Vaporizer 4

Discussion in 'Plug-in Vaporizers' started by biohacker, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. lazylathe

    lazylathe Almost there...

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    @Alexis

    It's all good, it happens to all of us.
    There is a lot of dislike for the SV4 but we still need to keep it related to the SV4, good or bad.

    Either way, decided to do a quick mod!
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    Now i have an idea of what is going on! When hitting it, the temp raises slightly and then drops back to normal, pretty neat!
    This thermometer is also different to the SV3 one as this one just has two wires encased in a small blob of glass as the TC. Reads differently for some reason, good enough for now!

    Have to setup for some videos tomorrow!
     
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  2. lazylathe

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    New post for vapor porn!!
    These were lower temp hits, first one was 585F on the Pod and 210C on the thermometer and the second one was 605F PID and 220C on the thermometer.
    I need to use the SV3 one to get a etter reading.

    Click to play YouTube Video


    The last one is uploading, will be back shortly!

    Here is the second one.
    Will use a better setup tomorrow, these were just quick and dirty!
    Click to play YouTube Video
     
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  3. lazylathe

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    After a few bowls yesterday at 585F, I decided to go up in temp and see what happened. I also brought out a few WT's from storage for testing.
    Since I was upping the temp, I also moved the small silicone seal all the way to the bottom of the heat tube.
    Still only using the full convection mod!

    With the temp up to 630F on the PID and 220C on the thermometer the hits were insane. Nice vapor that tastes great and massive clouds.
    I was not having much luck using my large RooR WT in the beginning but using this technique I can effortlessly fill the can with vapor.

    I am still unsure of recommending this vape due to a number of reasons:
    1- the supplied controller does not meet my standards for an enail controller. No fuse to blow first and no way to repair it if it goes haywire.
    2- apparently my High Five coil is a LOT thinner than other flat coils and this will cause headaches for those that just want the SV4 body.
    3- who knows how long it will be supported when a new version is made or the maker decides he has had enough.
    4- it comes with No spare parts at all! I would expect a spare bowl and some extra rubber grommets as standard. The SV3 at least came with a spare set of silicone tubes and grommets.
    5- no input on the forum from the inventor since the 1st model. A lot of this could have been easily avoided by participating in the discussion.

    I do agree that the SV4 is superior the the SV3 (unmodded) in a lot of ways but as @JCat has shown us, there can be a lot of really useful changes that would bring it further into the 21st century!

    More videos later today when the vape train leaves the station!
     
  4. Dubmonkey

    Dubmonkey Well-Known Member

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    Your recent posts and tests @lazylathe has got me curious to dust off my SV4 and give her a run again. Think that might be tonight’s time machine of choice...
     
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  5. lazylathe

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    Just make sure the coil has no way of moving away from the heat exchanger, there has to be 100% contact.
    Also remember that i am not using the bowl system...

    Set it at 620F and wait for the temp to stabilize, then just figure out how long to leave the stem inserted before hitting for max vapor. I found timing to be crucial when using the bowl system and i hate timing stuff.
    With my convection mod, I load and hit immediately after with fantastic results.

    Hope you have better luck this time!
    Hit me up with any questions and I will do my best to help you out!
     
  6. Dubmonkey

    Dubmonkey Well-Known Member

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    Going to try Convection style. Agreed @lazylathe the bowl system blows.

    Thinking of this set up for convection- FP with sv4 on top. Did a quick eye check and think the sv4 will fit nicely inside the top of the FP carb. Going to tear up nugs and sprinkle in the center of FP carb. Wish I had a 18F/14M Adaptor that could hold a screen or basket. All I got is 24F/18M pieces from Roor Vapor unit or GS.

    Fingers crossed for FP carb for sv4 Convection
     
  7. lazylathe

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    @Dubmonkey

    Just had a quick look at my FP SH bowl, you mentioned the carb not sure how that will work.
    My way would be to use the FP bowl with a basket screen near the bottom of the FP bowl hole.
    The SV4 will fit into the hole of the FP bowl with a bit of space, you can overcome this by adding a small bit of silicone around the heat port to seal against the top of the FP bowl.

    Unless you still have the original silicone on the heat port and that fits? Not sure as i removed all of mine!

    One last point and it is important!
    Remove as much of the original silicone as you can before trying it again.
    Just an FYI, this is what he inventor wants it to look like now for better performance.
    [​IMG]
     
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  8. Dubmonkey

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    Yeah I meant FP bowl not carb lol @lazylathe. Guess I might be stuck in the old combustible world.

    I will remove a lot of the silicone material but was going to keep some like you saw to seal the sv4 and FP bowl. The airizer baskets I got don’t fit my FP bowl that well. I think it will do for tonight’s testing.
     
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  9. szai

    szai Well-Known Member

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    I'll be crazy if this combo of sv4 and fp becomes the vape to Beat!

    Exit: I dub thee the New Vape Supreme FP V4
     
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  10. lazylathe

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    A quick test today!
    Click to play YouTube Video


    That was take two as take one, which was better, turned out to be just a picture... Either way it was two hits and quit, each one was 0,1g.
     
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  11. lazylathe

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    @Dubmonkey

    Any news from your testing last night?
    Hoping it was a good one and it was successful!!
     
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  12. Dubmonkey

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    Report: started with finer ground material sprinkled into the center as a little mountain. Ed PID set to 730. Waited for some heat soak to happen. Then placed the sv4 on to the FP bowl with a screen. None of my baskets fit my FP bowl. Placed the sv4 on tomthe little hill,of material and started drawing. Got some vapor but not milky enough.

    Tried turning the heat up,to 750 kinda same result. Then 780 and now things starting to get interesting. Some better vapor is being made. Also to note at 780 i tried it with three or four small torn up bits of nug.
    Not bad but not milky. Started to feel the good effects. After my partner wanted to switch to SH and wasn’t happy with the sv4 experience.

    Some things I need to do is cut that silicone hose of since I have the whole sv4 shaft covered with the OG silicone. For sure it turns super white with the heat on and worried about anything being let out gas wise.

    Going to try a basket of torn up nug in a basket inside of my GS funnel bowl. Want to see if that works better.

    For sure higher heat needed on the PID than using Ed bowl system.

    More testing tionight
     
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  13. lazylathe

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    @Dubmonkey

    It is very important to remove most of that silicone as I said before. It takes around 40-+ degrees more than if you removed it.
    Please do this before trying again tonight.

    @Dubmonkey

    I went into the vape cave to experiment for you!
    Since we both do not like the way the SV4 loads, I decided to look at alternative ways to use the tube without the hassle!
    This is Version 1:

    Remove most of the silicone from the top part of the heat tube.
    Cut the bit extending past the heat tube, level with the end of the heat tube.
    Now the stem will fit inside the heat tube but there is space for air to enter and thin the hit! We do not want this!
    Take your stem and insert into the SV4, now move up the top red grommet till it touches the silicone at the base of the heat tube. Remove the stem and push the grommet slightly more up so it will seal tighter when you rest the SV4 onto the red grommet.

    Now i can load a tube, insert into my 14mm joint, drop the SV4 on top and give it 30 seconds to preheat and hit it!! White vapor, thick and delicious!!
    A 1/4 stem with a few bits of shatter on top and i am done!!

    @Morty

    I am starting to save up kief as i think the SV4 will blow the stock SV3 out of the water with my test! Can you remind me of what it all contained?
    Great news though!! I found some older shatter in a drawer that is like glass and still hits hard!
    Also have some very flowery tasting ISO reclaim i found in a box...
    Getting the hang of this dangerous beast!
     
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  14. Dubmonkey

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    Ok got it @lazylathe thanks. By chance for any pics of the final set up you tested above?
     
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  15. lazylathe

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    Hope these help!
    View of end of heat tube with silicone cut even[​IMG]

    This is partially inserted, you can see the gap. When sealed there are no gaps, it's great that the red grommets are so soft!
    [​IMG]

    Now it's easy to load and just drop the Sv4 on top and wait +-30 seconds!
    I would go down to 620F to start.
     
  16. Dubmonkey

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    You @lazylathe are a genius. Came home after worked and immediately started to modify my sv4 with @lazylathe recommendations. Got a razor blade and removed the silicone as directed. Stuffed the sv4 bowl with material placed it in a 14mm downsize glass connector. You know the ones you put in a 18F joint so you can use a 14F bowl. Anyway, found that placing the SV4 bowl into,the glass joint converter piece makes a great way to handle the hot sv4 bowl tube after use.

    Turned on the PID to 710 and placed sv4 on the sv4 bowl which is wedged into the 14 to 18 glass connector piece attached to my roor. Waited 30 seconds as instructed. Started the draw and milk came running down the roor downstem instantly. My partner and I did two bowls each and haven’t felt this medicated with such little material in a while. The medicated feeling lasted for a good while. Material was coming out a very dark brown.

    This sv4 is looking more like a keeper maybe. I think now that the bowl is a lot easier to use my only other pet peeve is the PID / Coil. Think I might go get a regular xlr wired flat coil and replace the flat coil currently in my sv4 so I can use my Peli Nail or HN02 to power the coil.

    Ok I see the light on the sv4 now...
     
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  17. Mister G

    Mister G Deceptively Old Fart

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    The "TapDatAsh" silicone tray also works well as a multi-function Supreme 4 stand...

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    I'm so glad my SV4 experience has been plug and play as opposed to some of the other reports. Same great Supreme vapor right out of the box on the first try. :evil:

    Strangely, I've left the whole condom on the shaft for the entire time with no noticeable ill effect on performance. I'll have to circumcise it before it's time to replace and see what the difference is like. Right now it's au naturel whereas I see other's units have gotten poodle cuts.
     
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  18. lazylathe

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    @Mister G

    It is a recommendation from the inventor as it results in a lower user temp as the silicone absorbs too much heat.
    There is a 35 degree difference apparently.
     
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  19. LAWTHEONE

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    I know everyone is in their labs doing extensive research, but can we please get some more document results? Videos welcome :brow::rolleyes:
     
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  20. lazylathe

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    I will get back to the SV4 in a few days to a weeks time again!
    Taking a break as it was solid SV4 use... I was also running low on herb and brought out the GS for serious micro dosing.

    I will post some videos of it in use in different configurations!
    It really is very easy to use with the correct equipment. I like using my own trusted and used daily equipment.
     
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  21. lazylathe

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    Back to the SV4...LOL!! Yes, it is that good!
    It is right up at the top of my heavy hitters and it's high is intense
    The first hit of the day is usually the best and then you sometimes chase that feeling all night for naught.
    Well this little guy blast through that, every time for me!

    I wanted to test something tonight!
    I was using a lower temp with faster pulls and always got nice tan ABV.
    Decided to do a slow pull and there was more milk, better flavor and slightly darker tan ABV!
    Since then i have gone from 585F to 615F on my PID, this relates to around 230C at the SV3 temp probe site.
    With the faster draw, the stem temp dropped around 6C, not a great amount at that temp but it is still not a consistent hit.
    With the slower draw, the stem temp drops by 2C only!
    I am convinced that you need a perfectly stable stream of air passing through the herb for every hit for the best hit! Now to put some ideas on paper!

    Also doing videos is hard with this thing! 3 0,05g loads and i am done...
    Good old Gorilla Glue #4 to the rescue!
     
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  22. VAPEHUNTER

    VAPEHUNTER Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone tried the Flower Pot handle on the SV4 yet?
    Looks like it might work.


    [​IMG]
     
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  23. hoyo77

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    Hey bro can you go over how you added your own coil and pid to the supreme...thinking about getting the base unit and buying a separate coil...can i use the PID from the FP??
     
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  24. lazylathe

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    It would work as it is meant for the same purpose. Not sure about the different coil handle designs and sizes though...

    @hoyo77

    Just buy the base unit if you want, although due to different coil thicknesses you may want to get one with the SV4 from Ed. As i mentioned, i needed to add a washer to tighten my coil against the SV4 body.
    If you are handy and good with your hands, just buy the unit.
    If not, get the coil preinstalled.

    Not sure what PID you have so cannot recommend coils. I know the New Vape one has a different connector from a regular XLR.

    I have a China controller that i use for my FP SH, Lotus, SV4 and my OG FP.
    I had to rewire some coils to work with it but it only takes a minute!
     
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  25. JCat

    JCat Well-Known Member Accessory Maker

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    Are you measuring the stem temp w/ an external thermocouple mounted? (just curious ... how you're reading the stem temp on the SV4 ... or did you already mention this earlier in the thread? ... :lol: ... not sleeping a ton these days so everything can just blur together ...)
     
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