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Hard to find many dispensaries that sell dry herb vaping devices. I have been to a dispensary in Massachusetts and they have Rempens and Apex batteries, and they sell carts. I guess that won't be available for a while cos I just went to the web-site and checked the menu, and all links to the...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/potential-culprits-in-mystery-lung-illnesses-black-market-vaping-products/2019/09/24/cb5b708e-d98d-11e9-ac63-3016711543fe_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/15/health/vaping-thc-wisconsin.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

At #201. Kinda existential questions. More pragmatically, maybe just a little more time will give us data on some of the specifics about whether vaping liquids was bad for temporary reasons, or is just a product that is too easy to screw up, either intentionally or unintentionally, to use...

Or are not even aware. I have seen some younger folks walking around NYC vaping carts recently.

Approximately at 3.5% drop over the past week across all 4 states in the chart. I imagine that trend line will continue downwards in the next several weeks, and even months.

Agree. I have carts that I have been using for five months, not heavy, yet regular, and while I have stopped them for two weeks now, I am also wondering if they are safe. For now, I am on a mortarium until there is further news. Risk-reward scenario does not add up. Walking around NYC over the...

Post #s 119 and #121, thank you. To me, this indicates that there is simply too much novelty, variation and true lack of substantiation of ingredients for users to reliably understand the risks, and the avenues to take for safe use. Combine this with a very mixed bag of regulation and...

Further... Although the cause or causes of the reported illnesses remain under investigation, products containing THC are the most commonly reported e-cigarette product exposure among these case patients (84%). However, 17% of the patients reported using only nicotine-based products, and 44%...

Not sure if anyone has linked to the New England Journal of Medicine article. It was referenced in the Washington Post article this afternoon: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1911614?query=featured_home Of note in the NEJ of medicine article: E-CIGARETTE USE All patients had a...

Well, on the other hand, a lot of alcohol and even edibles can be made to taste good, too. And I'd still bet most carts are legit, in the aggregatr. Yet, for now, the prudent thing is to wait till this gets, or doesn't get, settled. I'm not ready to conclude this method can't work safely.

... https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/09/05/contaminant-found-vaping-products-linked-deadly-lung-illnesses-state-federal-labs-show/ vitamin E acetate a preliminary finding in some of these tainted carts.

Same. Edibles and flowers make more sense to me for now.

Good details, thanks. I guess what concerns me as a fan of easy carts is that there is now a degree of uncertainty about the process to make them, and the content can vary between manufacturers. It seems that there is now a risk element that while rare is pretty serious, and it’s giving me pause...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/31/health/vaping-marijuana-ecigarettes-sickness.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share Updated story. Disconcerting and still somewhat mysterious.

Super helpful, old newbie. Thanks. A bit disconcerting to say the least. Not just substance, but also proper implementation. Suggests to me that flowers might be more prudent for some.

I hear you, invertedisdead. I guess IDK the ultimate solution towards safety, yet I think we need something that reinforces safety other than a reliance on the good intentions (or not) of the market makers.

It seems like a world of possibilities. Your notion of mineral oil dilutants being one, pesticides, who knows what with DIY carts and vapes, and cheap knock-offs created by bad actors who don't give a whoot. While it seems that a common sense remedy down the line would be federal legalization...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/30/health/vaping-e-cigarettes-marijuana-cdc.html Starting to get more mainstream media attention. Nothing new here relative to the WaPo article, yet a cautionary, preliminary CDC report is out: https://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00421.asp

Agree, Ramahs, yet these anecdotal stories are important use cases that cannot be ignored in lieu of properly conducted, rigorous controlled experiments (I, too, am a social scientist). I read the article this am that darbar linked to, and then I came here to see if there were any insights...