next generation e-nails?

loadthetrenchdawg said:

That's still quite vague, but I suppose I could easily stop being lazy and Email Dnail myself .

Just wondering how you could be so sure about the difference in quality. It was just a couple of days ago you were telling me "The superior quality" of the Dnail spoke to it being American made before you edited to say Germany. Guess American quartz stops being quality once dnail isn't selecting the "particular composition" of quartz you mentioned?

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That's because I had originally confused a message from my contact at d-nail (actually saying that the ti was manufactured in the US) for the one saying where the quartz was from. The edit was a correction. I felt no need to annotate the edit since it was almost immediately after the post. BTW, I was referring to the quality speaking to the d-nail being American/German made as opposed to Chinese, as was being alleged earlier.

Let me get some more specific info next time I speak with them on the quartz composition, since I was given only a functional explanation, not a specific explanation of the difference in composition between their chosen fused quartz and what HE went with (with that knowledge I could very specifically and fully explain the differences).

The difference in the quartz is plainly visible though. Look at each product and see for yourself. In the meantime, I'll be back ASAP with specific info on the composition.

herbivore21 said:

The difference in the quartz is plainly visible though. Look at each product and see for yourself. In the meantime, I'll be back ASAP with specific info on the composition.

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I will 100% agree the Dnail Halo is more aesthetically pleasing. The difference in the quartz is not plainly visible. I can only see differences in the look of each unit and not the stability or composition of the quartz. Apple products look superior to most units on the market. That doesn't necessarily mean they are using superior materials to construct them. Or that the superior look means superior build quality.

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BTW, I was referring to the quality speaking to the d-nail being American/German made as opposed to Chinese, as was being alleged earlier.

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I see. Although, you aren't very consistent with this line of thought. You've compared the American made HE nail to the China knock off. It's quality doesn't speak to it being American even though it is American made, but Dnail speaks to being "American/German" made.

Since we aren't sure if/what makes Dnail quartz superior. Basing that off a 3rd party retailer photo seems a bit biased . Especially considering you weren't aware of any concrete difference in the materials used at the time of the post. Did you base that simply on Dnail's "functional explanation"?


Just playing Advocate here. At the end of the day I'd go Dnail, but I wouldn't base that on qualities I can't be sure of.


On a side note, do you any experience with Dnails encased heater coils?? They are really starting to interest me lately. I'm wondering how easy they are to remove after use? I picked up an analog Dnail unit, used, at a steal of a price and I'm working on my Dnail setup now . Will probably end up going Quartz Halo. Liger x Dnail sessions for. Soooooooon

herbivore21 said:

D-nail is grade 1 ti. HE state that their ti is all grade 2 (http://www.highlyeducatedti.com/about/).

The HE quartz is rough cut, flame polished quartz which is thinner and less stable grade of quartz. They state that the quartz is machined in the US (http://aqualabtechnologies.com/dab-...ple-14-18-dualiti-quartz-titanium-hybrid.html). It is a smaller dish too. It does not wick your dab around the surface of the dish, so takes longer to vaporize your dab and leaves more unvaped trails after the hit.

The D-nail quartz is made in Germany and a considerably larger dish, it has a wicking surface machined into the dish which allows for very even spreading of your dab across the dish and quicker, tastier vaporization. This wick surface uses a proprietary manufacturing process (and custom manufacturing hardware) and has not been duplicated by any of the competition. It is laser polished and the perfect clarity and smoothness of the non-machined parts of the dish attest to this. The wik finish is also of a very high quality. D-nail quartz is also a higher stability grade of quartz.

I would suggest that the Chinese knock off could reasonably be as good as the HE - no need to get a knock off and the HE. The d-nail offers the most clear benefits imo if the budget allows.

I would suggest if you are using a torch though to use a SiC Halo, which is much more durable for torch use and provides better results with torch IME. I have owned both the SiC and Quartz for a long time now and the SiC is the only one I would ever use with a torch personally. It'll cost you less money too

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Thanks for all the info, I will try the cheap one while I'm on holidays and when I go back to UK probably order a Halo. In this pictures is obvius that the quartz and Ti are not even close quality between the knock off and the HE:





On IG Highly Educated claims that their dish are machined from GE semiconductor grade fused quartz (no idea what that means, new to quartz lol) and USA made like his Ti. In the pics you can see that the bottom of the dish in HE is much thicker and the Ti is better machined.

But for the price, I'm gonna try those knock-offs for sure. They already sent my nail, hope it arrives soon!

The angle on those pix is different so I don't think you can say that the he are much thicker if at all

weenstoned said:

The angle on those pix is different so I don't think you can say that the he are much thicker if at all

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I wasn't able to link the pictures of aqualabs but they use almost the same angle and they're totally different. The quartz, the Ti... Everything is different and looks much better quality:

http://aqualabtechnologies.com/he-14-18-dauliti-quartz-titanium-hybrid.html

You can see how the dish is smaller than the base, not as thick and the machining of the Ti is not as good. I'm not saying the dhgate ones are bad, just lower quality and I doubt they're made in china. But we will never know...

Kinda looks like the Chinese ones have rounded edges whereas the HE ones do not. Kinda hard to make out how thick the Chinese are exactly, but you're probably right.

loadthetrenchdawg said:

I will 100% agree the Dnail Halo is more aesthetically pleasing. The difference in the quartz is not plainly visible. I can only see differences in the look of each unit and not the stability or composition of the quartz. Apple products look superior to most units on the market. That doesn't necessarily mean they are using superior materials to construct them. Or that the superior look means superior build quality.



I see. Although, you aren't very consistent with this line of thought. You've compared the American made HE nail to the China knock off. It's quality doesn't speak to it being American even though it is American made, but Dnail speaks to being "American/German" made.

Since we aren't sure if/what makes Dnail quartz superior. Basing that off a 3rd party retailer photo seems a bit biased . Especially considering you weren't aware of any concrete difference in the materials used at the time of the post. Did you base that simply on Dnail's "functional explanation"?


Just playing Advocate here. At the end of the day I'd go Dnail, but I wouldn't base that on qualities I can't be sure of.


On a side note, do you any experience with Dnails encased heater coils?? They are really starting to interest me lately. I'm wondering how easy they are to remove after use? I picked up an analog Dnail unit, used, at a steal of a price and I'm working on my Dnail setup now . Will probably end up going Quartz Halo. Liger x Dnail sessions for. Soooooooon

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I made a post earlier in this thread with an image highlighting flaws in the HE quartz. HE knowingly and blatantly knocked off the quartz halo from D-nail and then Chinese knock-offs (of the HE size and style) appeared immediately afterwards.

I cannot 100% confirm that this is because HE are actually manufacturing in China, but do keep in mind this has been how others have been caught out manufacturing in China in the past when they say they don't. Given the track record HE have with plagiarizing this product (knowing that there was a pending patent on the locking nut mechanism no less!), I would personally have no interest in the product. It is an inferior imitation regardless of your position on intellectual honesty.

This is why D-nail have distanced themselves from HE and stopped manufacturing anything with them (HE in the past manufactured some D-nail ti items).

See this for an example of the clearly inferior quartz on the HE. The watermarks show that these are ALT photos:





I hope this makes it very clear. This was one of the purple dualti's on ALT back on Dec 3. I understand that you hadn't seen this post possibly as it was a month or two ago, but I am not being inconsistent here man I am speaking to things I have demonstrated before - the poorer quality quartz from these pics are as plain as can be. Even the China quartz pictured does not have these flaws (this may just be better selective photography).

The fact that it is a blatant rip off of a former partner company's product is separate from this and just makes the difference more galling and in my mind, why buy the full price HE knock-off when the China knock-off is way cheaper and looks identical to the HE aside from the issues with the quartz and ti noted in the images above, the anodized ti and HE logos? Hell, get the China knock off dish and a HE base, you'll still save money and have the same thing! If you wanna spend full money, why would you not get the fully featured (wicking - the defining feature of the d-nail quartz halo and what aside from the flat coil heating, really sets this nail apart in my extensive use), original product that visibly looks more aesthetically pleasing? Why would you want a ti base and a thin quartz dish wit

As far as I'm concerned, the HE quartz being not machined with a wicking surface is a simple quartz bowl and not a good quality one as the pics above show. It does not compare to the d-nail in this regard nor the manufacturing quality. There is no reason that the two items should cost the same price. They are not the same, one clearly lacks in the feature department by comparison and that feature especially entails much cheaper manufacturing - regardless of where it took place. Look into tooling quartz to see why.

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Thanks for all the info, I will try the cheap one while I'm on holidays and when I go back to UK probably order a Halo. In this pictures is obvius that the quartz and Ti are not even close quality between the knock off and the HE:

On IG Highly Educated claims that their dish are machined from GE semiconductor grade fused quartz (no idea what that means, new to quartz lol) and USA made like his Ti. In the pics you can see that the bottom of the dish in HE is much thicker and the Ti is better machined.

But for the price, I'm gonna try those knock-offs for sure. They already sent my nail, hope it arrives soon!

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See my pics above to show you why actually some of the ALT HE dualti's looked worse than the China knock offs in that picture man!

All the best with your nail purchase

Arguably aren't D-Nail the copycats? I could be wrong but didn't HE make the first domeless nail with a removable head? Seems like the Halo borrows just as much or more from HE nails as the HE quartz borrows from the Halo. A patent on a locking nut seems pretty dubious. Also a bit skeptical about whether the wik surface is actually worthwhile or just hype (ya I know there's some science d-nail wrote about it). Seems like there's still some left unvaporized even on Halo if I am reading about people cleaning off build-up or using q-tip tech on their quartz halos. If someone can post some videos of no vapor trails on a quartz halo I would love to be proved wrong. Unfortunately most dab videos seem to be on instagram where the video time limit is too short for a full dab.

@herbivore21 As I mentioned in my previous post, using third party photographs may not be the best way to judge a product. Your entire opinion and bases for calling HE quartz and inferior stability and grade are ALT's photo's? That's not evidence enough to compare to a Chinese knock off you then go on to say may have just used selective photography. No possibility ALT is to blame? At all? I usually like to have a product in hand before I make such strong accusations. Or at the very least have some sort of science to back up the claims I state as fact, and not opinion. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

@weenstoned HE produced the first moat style Ti nail, all in 1/Modular Nail, Single hole angled carb caps, and threaded carb caps I was aware of. No idea which of these techs were invented by HE, but they sure did make them popular

IMHO every pic of quartz on this page looks sloppy and shitty to me.

The china quartz TI hybrid and HE nails look cool, besides the quartz itself. Imagine if D-nail and HE just teamed up and made one epic nail?

Picture the HE hybrid base, but made of sic, with the d-nail quality halo + wic.

So now that I type it out what I realize is that I like the visual look of the HE, but not the material quality (from what I can see anyway). D-nail should just clone it but upstage it and watch everyone rage haha. The clonees become the cloner.

I've only recently entered the vaping / enail arena, and am unaware of the evolution of the nail and who stole what from whom.

But, I do know that @herbivore21 's advice regarding nail tech was invaluable to me personally when I was recently buying my e/d-nail set-up, so thank you herbivore21!


@darkrom, I concur, those dishes look like shit.

Here is a picture of some quality work:



... And all the bits finally arrived for my cleaning day rig:



The Halo and coil have been used (quite alot actually).
The rig, dropdown, heatsink, and nail base are all brand new.
I soaked the nail base and heatsink in ISO for ~ week while waiting for the arrival of the dropdown.

I've had it up and running for a few hours now, and have taken a few dabs.
No bad smells.

weenstoned said:

Arguably aren't D-Nail the copycats? I could be wrong but didn't HE make the first domeless nail with a removable head? Seems like the Halo borrows just as much or more from HE nails as the HE quartz borrows from the Halo. A patent on a locking nut seems pretty dubious. Also a bit skeptical about whether the wik surface is actually worthwhile or just hype (ya I know there's some science d-nail wrote about it). Seems like there's still some left unvaporized even on Halo if I am reading about people cleaning off build-up or using q-tip tech on their quartz halos. If someone can post some videos of no vapor trails on a quartz halo I would love to be proved wrong. Unfortunately most dab videos seem to be on instagram where the video time limit is too short for a full dab.

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One thing I wanna say here actually is that you are right on in saying we need to have more dab videos that show us the whole dab and whether there are substantial trails afterward. Hmmm, I need to make a video with my new rig so I might do one with my quartz halo and put it up

I'm not discussing the patent matter any further due to not wanting to interfere in any pending litigation. I don't know if the domeless nail is patented by anybody though so really can't speak to that (although if HE did patent it what you say might be quite reasonable) and don't have time to trawl through patent databases, I have probably spent far too much on this discussion already over the last week.

I really wanna make a nice close up video of the wik surface in action, showing the dab spread itself over the dish. I might try and rig it up in the near future so you can see for yourself how the oil wicks around the dish evenly. If you use one yourself, look at the dish for a moment before placing the cap and watch it spread - it is very visible during use

If you have ever seen the sapphire inserts d-nail have done for a fair while, the way the oil spreads evenly around those is the same wicking surface too. That will give you an idea if you have not had a chance to see the newer dnail wik nails (quartz and sapphire halos).

EDIT: @weenstoned I got a nice video with close up of the dab which was barely touched onto the dish wicking across the quartz, when the cap is removed it is clearly vaporized Unfortunately, I did not have the space or appropriate setup to be able to get a clear shot showing no trails from both cameras. As you can see, this video didn't have the ideal adapters/dropdown and was shot in a very cramped space. On the plus side, it was shot with 2 cameras, one at 50x on the halo dish and one standard wide angle 1080p feed showing the whole piece cropping just above the halo.

I will attempt to get another similar video in a position that clearly shows that there are no trails above another time and let you know

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3mj3k0 To view, use the password: FuckCombustion

loadthetrenchdawg said:

@herbivore21 As I mentioned in my previous post, using third party photographs may not be the best way to judge a product. Your entire opinion and bases for calling HE quartz and inferior stability and grade are ALT's photo's? That's not evidence enough to compare to a Chinese knock off you then go on to say may have just used selective photography. No possibility ALT is to blame? At all? I usually like to have a product in hand before I make such strong accusations. Or at the very least have some sort of science to back up the claims I state as fact, and not opinion. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

@weenstoned HE produced the first moat style Ti nail, all in 1/Modular Nail, Single hole angled carb caps, and threaded carb caps I was aware of. No idea which of these techs were invented by HE, but they sure did make them popular

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My entire opinion is based on hearing about this first hand as it happened man. The visual evidence of the quartz has backed up the various anecdotal reports I've heard of bubbling/cracked/chipped HE quartz.

We don't typically buy every possible variant of each item we use for clinical comparison do we? I don't live somewhere where somebody else has the HE variant man, the vast majority of other people don't even dab round these parts and have never even heard of it!

Still, many in this thread and elsewhere make scathing judgements of shit they've never used or seen here, but sometimes those can be nonetheless valid on the bases of consistent reports from multiple sources, prima facie visual evidence or other similar evidence. We may disagree (and others variously will as well as we can see above) on what qualifies for these evidence criteria in this case and have different standards in making these judgements. Still if so...

We can agree to disagree on the quality of the quartz man. I don't want or have time to argue with you on this any further. I would not buy quartz that looks like that. You might. That's cool, neither of us needs to lose sleep over that. If that is the worst of our differences then we're good in my view This back and forth is getting really repetitive with little new information.
I'm done with this discussion until I return to post the grade of quartz that d-nail use if they will share it (again, imitators abound).

Finally, a lot of HE's recent Ti was designed by D-nail, guys, I mentioned this a few pages back IIRC. Still, it is not for me to go any further on this topic now.

darkrom said:

IMHO every pic of quartz on this page looks sloppy and shitty to me.

The china quartz TI hybrid and HE nails look cool, besides the quartz itself. Imagine if D-nail and HE just teamed up and made one epic nail?

Picture the HE hybrid base, but made of sic, with the d-nail quality halo + wic.

So now that I type it out what I realize is that I like the visual look of the HE, but not the material quality (from what I can see anyway). D-nail should just clone it but upstage it and watch everyone rage haha. The clonees become the cloner.

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A lot of HE's current ti designs are actually from d-nail brother, this is the real kicker. They'd been working pretty closely together for a fair while before this blew up. It is a real shame though, it would have been much better for all of us and both of the main parties if this had never happened!

alittledabwilldoya' said:

I've only recently entered the vaping / enail arena, and am unaware of the evolution of the nail and who stole what from whom.

But, I do know that @herbivore21 's advice regarding nail tech was invaluable to me personally when I was recently buying my e/d-nail set-up, so thank you herbivore21!


@darkrom, I concur, those dishes look like shit.

Here is a picture of some quality work:

... And all the bits finally arrived for my cleaning day rig:

The Halo and coil have been used (quite alot actually).
The rig, dropdown, heatsink, and nail base are all brand new.
I soaked the nail base and heatsink in ISO for ~ week while waiting for the arrival of the dropdown.

I've had it up and running for a few hours now, and have taken a few dabs.
No bad smells.

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Great stuff brother! Stoked to have helped and glad to hear you got your SiC dish and are enjoying both of them now! What do you think of them compared to one-another? I am always interested in hearing more comparison between these materials! I often have trouble deciding which I would have if I couldn't have trumped them with sapphire and could only have one. There are so many trade-offs!

That is the first time I've ever seen that base used on a 10mm male gong too, that is sweet!

All I can say about the last three pages is ....... WOW!, it's definitely time for a dab from my Next Gen E-Nail!

I have both a SIC halo and a D-nail quartz halo and I love them both... but has anyone ever tried the Dab Bulb? Its more in the sapphire halo price range but is gorgeous and folks use it under 400º. My one worry is that big dabs might slide all the way down.

http://www.dabbulb.com/

I forget where I read it but the only person I heard that tried it said it was visually awesome, but functionally a total waste of oil and money. I'm paraphrasing, but the review was enough to squash my interest forever.

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I have both a SIC halo and a D-nail quartz halo and I love them both... but has anyone ever tried the Dab Bulb? Its more in the sapphire halo price range but is gorgeous and folks use it under 400º. My one worry is that big dabs might slide all the way down.

http://www.dabbulb.com/

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That is actually way beyond the price range of sapphire halo too lol, I coulda got 3 for that.

I agree for bigger dabs it might lead to errl going straight through into the piece, however for bigger dabs you could just jack the heat up a bit (basically has to happen at some point on any nail once your dabs get big enough ). It does look fascinating though!

Still, if it doesn't provide unequivocal better performance than everything else out there, that is a buttload of money to spend lol

Alright...I got a question..what exactly are you guys referring to when you say "trails"? Because honestly, I noticed something recently. When visiting my friend who is "the man" around my way for all things concentrate we spoke a bit and I found something interesting. He heated up his quave banger...let it cool for a minute fifteen seconds...we took a normal sized dab of Moxie brand (Michigan) live resin. We would get a huge lung full blow out and go in for a second "clearing" hit....then there was tiny amounts of liquid left over that we swabbed with a q-tip. He said he liked it to cool enough that what's left over is liquid and not a more solid or "residue" like consistency.....this seemed to produce AMAZING flavor and kept his banger looking BRAND NEW for every single dab.


So after further experimenting I'm liking my quartz halo flavors and how clean it gets after a q tip swab, if I have the auber set for 620.. I'm not sure if that's my perfect temp...but it beats anything I tried before I think... (660-710)

ckingflava said:

Alright...I got a question..what exactly are you guys referring to when you say "trails"? Because honestly, I noticed something recently. When visiting my friend who is "the man" around my way for all things concentrate we spoke a bit and I found something interesting. He heated up his quave banger...let it cool for a minute fifteen seconds...we took a normal sized dab of Moxie brand (Michigan) live resin. We would get a huge lung full blow out and go in for a second "clearing" hit....then there was tiny amounts of liquid left over that we swabbed with a q-tip. He said he liked it to cool enough that what's left over is liquid and not a more solid or "residue" like consistency.....this seemed to produce AMAZING flavor and kept his banger looking BRAND NEW for every single dab.


So after further experimenting I'm liking my quartz halo flavors and how clean it gets after a q tip swab, if I have the auber set for 620.. I'm not sure if that's my perfect temp...but it beats anything I tried before I think... (660-710)

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Trails are typically more common with an enail, basically we're talking about when after you finish inhaling, there are still visible trails of vapor coming off the nail. This will be from dabbing too low temp and the oil not having had the chance to boil completely during the inhale, so it keeps boiling afterwards.

The temp you're using is what I would use myself, we have different controllers though so it may not actually be the same temp.

I guess I'm not worried so much about vapor trails.. I'm in the camp of you got to waste it to taste it...

Honestly, as long as I get a nice cloud full at exhale... I'm enjoying multiple smaller dabs at the lowest temp I can then bigger face melter dabs I used to take.. I'm more about the perfect hit than the biggest..I'll just take two or three perfect ones for the same effect..

Not to say every once in awhile I won't just throw a banger on there and take a .2er for a celebratory dab.

I am also firmly in camp waste it to taste it, I have only talked about trails as that was stated to be one of the benefits of a $200ish nail compared to a $20 quartz e-nail from China or a banger.

ckingflava said:

I guess I'm not worried so much about vapor trails.. I'm in the camp of you got to waste it to taste it...

Honestly, as long as I get a nice cloud full at exhale... I'm enjoying multiple smaller dabs at the lowest temp I can then bigger face melter dabs I used to take.. I'm more about the perfect hit than the biggest..I'll just take two or three perfect ones for the same effect..

Not to say every once in awhile I won't just throw a banger on there and take a .2er for a celebratory dab.

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Hmm see I think the reason we use trails as a criterion here is because that 'waste it to taste it' approach doesn't necessarily have to be so. With a very select few nails it is possible to have your cake and eat it too atm, Sapphire is the best for this purpose so far for full vaporization with full flavor still in some cases and this makes no trails but still tasty vapor a real benchmark of top quality. You can get full vaporization and great taste from the quartz halo though, more than I ever got from the many other quartz enails I used before.

Still, it seems you are a mega flavor chaser like me so the lower temp sacrifice may be worth it for flavor that is even nicer (it is true that the quartz halo can start to approach the tastiness of the sapphire, but due to this requiring super low temps, nowhere near as full vaporization is achieved).

I can't decide if I get better flavor from my sic directly at 608 degrees, or the sapphire insert at 770 degrees. Both are what I'd consider really low? Both using the same oil.

darkrom said:

I can't decide if I get better flavor from my sic directly at 608 degrees, or the sapphire insert at 770 degrees. Both are what I'd consider really low? Both using the same oil.

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It's interesting to hear you say this man. I recently used my sapphire halo with sapphire insert to see if convection is better and honestly, I think that they are no different and if you overload the insert, then actually conduction on sapphire beats convection.

On the SiC, I found the sapphire insert to be definitely better but only if I was careful in my placement of the dab and insert, if any goes over the sides onto hotter surface below, the nasty taste from that will overpower any benefit the sapphire/convection gives you.

It really depends on what you are dabbing as to whether the SiC might be better without the insert than with it too. Absolute (you know the glassy rock hard ones) shatters are very time consuming to get in place on the insert for convective use and can be much easier to find coming off the insert onto the way too hot dish. Rosin on the other hand is child's play to get to stay on the insert. Other waxes/saps etc too Still with these you wanna keep the oil on the middle part of the insert.

The new halos come with a new retaining lug now which apparently fits the larger v1 sapphire inserts (much more sapphire to dab on!) instead of the old infiniti ones like most of us have (I have 2 or 3 of the suckers left, a few broke from torching - oops). This will make placement and larger dabs much easier

I used the sapphire insert as a conduction surface on my infiniti large dish for the longest time back when I decided my Pukinbeagle 20mm Deep Dish Banger wasn't tasty enough and before my SiC dish arrived last year.

It was fantastic! Way better taste than any quartz. The only drawback was if your errl ran over the sides onto the ti (no big dabs here - but again, one can do bigger dabs on the d-nail v1 flat coil ti dish with the matching sapphire insert). I really recommend sapphire inserts with ti for those who want to get an idea of what sapphire halos taste like. I actually have a new v1 flat head with v1 sapphire insert on the way to be my on the go nail. I am way too paranoid to bring my sapphire halo out and about with me. Seeing the first one break was a traumatic experience and I wanna avoid any repeats lol.

I've not yet used the larger v1 sapphire but when I get it and get familiar I'll be sure to provide thoughts here

I just hate having an accessory and not using it. With herbs convection is a MUST, but I still can't tell if I like it haha.

I'm SO torn. I can't pick temps consistently with or without it. I'm a mess. And I'm using VERY small dabs.

I keep hoping I'll see a used quartz halo go up for sale so I can justify trying it.

darkrom said:

I just hate having an accessory and not using it. With herbs convection is a MUST, but I still can't tell if I like it haha.

I'm SO torn. I can't pick temps consistently with or without it. I'm a mess. And I'm using VERY small dabs.

I keep hoping I'll see a used quartz halo go up for sale so I can justify trying it.

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You can definitely get better taste with your sapphire insert. I wonder if your temp is part of the problem, I used to use my sapphire insert at hotter temps (around 800-840f). I find convection sapphire insert + halo dabs actually taste worse if you take the temp too low, since it can cause more slow melting/bubbling/spatter/drips onto the too hot nail below.