next generation e-nails?

My Gimido flat coil seems to be dying after about 6 months of near constant use, reported temps keep fluctuating and I ruled out the unit. I have a 4-pin mini-XLR cable which limits off-the-shelf replacement options to a couple places. I opted instead to just replace mine with the 5-pin XLR version from Gimido and that way I can either order cheap coils from China or ones from D-Nail. After I sell it locally it costs me about $30 extra in the end.

Why Gimido again and not D-Nail or another e-nail? I mainly just really like the Omron E5CC PID and they have the best value and form factor with that PID at the moment. The white/green LED's for the temp values is nicer than alarm clock red, it heats up quickly and maintains the temp, and I can quickly increase and decrease the temps for cleaning with a couple button clicks. Just personal preference and for all intents and purposes I believe it offers comparable PID performance to the ENDA ET2011 PID that D-Nail uses, and if it doesn't I doubt I can tell. The only other one I was considering was the HashCastle Mini 3.0 which isn't much bigger than the Omron PID unit itself but when it was in stock they were charging something like $400US for it.

Also kudos to Gimido, it only took 30 minutes to get a tracking number. Last time it only took them 3 days to get from China to Canada.

darkrom said:

Thanks. I've thought about the slim and 45 degree but 1) money and stuff 2) It tipped even with a 710 whip on it :/ The current dropdown actually does let it stand safely on its own like a tripod even though I'm stabilizing it for the picture.

I will end up getting the slim series more than likely eventually, unless the next best thing comes out before I feel like spending more on my rig. I'm not sure what I want to do honestly. Right now I'm feeling like I like the sic + lower temp more than I like the sapphire + the much higher temp needed to use it, even though the surface is obviously not that temp.

I keep trying to convince myself I like the convection dabs, but I'm not sure if I do or not yet. I love convection buds, can't even touch conduction these days really. But with oil I wonder if it even matters. More testing both ways for sure.

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Can you share how much better the sic is than the 710 whip? I have the 710 whip now and cant find much to complain about with it, but I would love to hear your opinion

jl420 said:

Just got my Storm Cap from Josh at CCA/710 on Saturday and I have to say well worth the wait. I've been using a variety of caps in the meantime and while they did the job ok the Storm Cap was amazing. I like using 680-690 for my temps and I noticed that no matter how much I would try and clear the chamber there was always some vapor left. One good rip using the Storm Cap and the chamber was completely wiped out to where I was hacking my eyeballs out of my head. I figured I'd use a little less dab amount and sure enough I was getting killer rips while using less product. I've been using the Quartz insert and the taste is awesome but I will eventually try the Sic insert but for now I couldn't be happier.

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Sweet! I'm sure you will love it. I just broke down and ordered a second Liger V2.0 body so I can have 2 complete V2.0 setups. Now I can have the Quartz and Sic running head to head on 2 enails! I also talked to Josh at CCA about the carb cap advancements. To clarify, this production run he is adding the interchangeable dabber tips, these will work with the current version storm cells as well as the new. There will also be 2 different versions in the store next round. 1 will be the Storm cell cap with 2 angled holes for faster clearing. The other will be the Honey Hole dabber. This cap draws air through the handle to keep the handle cool as you dab! I thought this was an awesome idea and I will be trying that out for sure along with the new dab tips! I'm looking forward to my next package from Colorado!!!

MileHighLife said:

So D-Nail is going to exchange my straight hole carb cap for a angled hole cap. I just need to wait for the new batch to get in. As long as it functions right I'm going to keep it as I need a second carb cap. Here you'll see the MDS for Titanium grades 1 - 4 (commercially pure grades of titanium). While grade 1 is technically more pure the only difference is .07% more O2 allowance in grade 2 and the tensile and yield strength are significantly greater than grade 1. There was research done before every other company settled on grade 2 titanium. Anyway, as long as the cap makes it to my door in good shape everything should be all gravy.

I've been loving my Liger too! The only complaint I have is that it doesn't handle globs as well as the SiC halos. I keep mine at 666F and it handles decent size dabs but not insomnia busters. I think it's due to the fact that the dish is so thin so there isn't a whole lot of thermal mass behind it. I've spoken with Josh and he's going to make a few SiC dishes to test out that only have one cup cut into it so the other side is pure SiC so there'll be a ton of thermal mass to drop a glob onto. I'm pumped .... if it works as well as I'm hoping the Liger will be my go-to all the time.

Edit: I saw you were saying the cord on the Liger would be the tippiest part. This is how I've been setting up my Liger:

It's super sturdy set up like that and it gets the pesky cord out of the way.

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That setup is clean, I like how you rigged the coil! As far as big dabs are concerned the 20mm SiC dish has been handling pretty big dabs all the way down to 600 degrees for me. They just take longer to fully vaporize the lower you have it. I wonder if there is a difference in coil/enail or if your dabs are just that much bigger? If I turn it up to 700 a big dab vapes in a few seconds and I choke quickly. If I set it to 600 I take long slow drawn out dabs...Then I choke lol. That being said you might take huge dabs which apparently I do not. Although everyone around me says MINE are huge, after watching others dab slabs and worms in videos, mine are not that big! I did notice when I turned the 16mm bucket down to a low temp with the quartz cup, it would require a 20 second or longer draw to clear.And after that I could still get a second hit after I exhaled by leaving the cap on. It didn't fully vaporize the oil in 1 hit, but it didn't waste it either. I was able to remedy this by turning it up to around 720 for big dabs in the quartz or just enjoying a second small hit after by leaving the cap on if I felt like leaving the temp low. again my "big" dabs may not be equal to your big dabs.
I do think if you like big ole dabs you should go with the 20mm version if you are buying one.

Monsoon said:

My Gimido flat coil seems to be dying after about 6 months of near constant use, reported temps keep fluctuating and I ruled out the unit. I have a 4-pin mini-XLR cable which limits off-the-shelf replacement options to a couple places. I opted instead to just replace mine with the 5-pin XLR version from Gimido and that way I can either order cheap coils from China or ones from D-Nail. After I sell it locally it costs me about $30 extra in the end.

Why Gimido again and not D-Nail or another e-nail? I mainly just really like the Omron E5CC PID and they have the best value and form factor with that PID at the moment. The white/green LED's for the temp values is nicer than alarm clock red, it heats up quickly and maintains the temp, and I can quickly increase and decrease the temps for cleaning with a couple button clicks. Just personal preference and for all intents and purposes I believe it offers comparable PID performance to the ENDA ET2011 PID that D-Nail uses, and if it doesn't I doubt I can tell. The only other one I was considering was the HashCastle Mini 3.0 which isn't much bigger than the Omron PID unit itself but when it was in stock they were charging something like $400US for it.

Also kudos to Gimido, it only took 30 minutes to get a tracking number. Last time it only took them 3 days to get from China to Canada.

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Sorry your old one died but I think you will like that enail. I use a G9 enail with what looks like the same components and it's the Tits!

This one had the Omron E5CC PiD, nice SSR and a usb to patch the firmware. It has worked great since day one. It was about the same price as yours off of DH gate, about $200 with a 20mm and 16mm coil. Good luck with your new one!

http://www.greenlightvapes.com/productsdetail.asp?id=4

mrbonsai420 said:

Sorry your old one died but I think you will like that enail. I use a G9 enail with what looks like the same components and it's the Tits!

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I should like it since the only difference between the two is a 5-pin vs mini 4-pin coil connector, been using the Omron PID for the last year with no issues or complaints. But I'm hoping the the coil itself will work better since I tried to bend mind early on to fit the 710Whip and may have made it heat more unevenly.

jpdnkstr said:

I've been waiting on a D-Nail carb cap, pulled the trigger on Christmas, if it is straight hole, and bad finish, I'll be calling Diane as well. Premium price, calls for premium product...... I already own 3 carb caps, one is a HE, so I wanted the D-Nail V2 for specific reasons, one being superior fit and finish- hell, my aroma cup from my solo works better than some of my carb caps....... please don't start disappointing us consumers, we obviously have money to spend on silly little metal pieces, lets not get too carried away by dropping the quality.

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Diane, and D-Nail still have my business.... handled professionally as expected.

matthend said:

Can you share how much better the sic is than the 710 whip? I have the 710 whip now and cant find much to complain about with it, but I would love to hear your opinion

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Approximately 397% better

The 710 whip is okay but I'm sure yours is pure black all the time? The flavor is simply unbeatable with the sic surface. MAYBE sapphire, but I have only tried the halo. The sic is also self cleaning for real, not like ceramic claims to be. Turn this bad boy up to 900 or so and itll be good as new if you do that every couple days. I really don't even take it apart to clean it anymore at all. Just better flavor, more durable, better self cleaning.

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Sweet! I'm sure you will love it. I just broke down and ordered a second Liger V2.0 body so I can have 2 complete V2.0 setups. Now I can have the Quartz and Sic running head to head on 2 enails! I also talked to Josh at CCA about the carb cap advancements. To clarify, this production run he is adding the interchangeable dabber tips, these will work with the current version storm cells as well as the new. There will also be 2 different versions in the store next round. 1 will be the Storm cell cap with 2 angled holes for faster clearing. The other will be the Honey Hole dabber. This cap draws air through the handle to keep the handle cool as you dab! I thought this was an awesome idea and I will be trying that out for sure along with the new dab tips! I'm looking forward to my next package from Colorado!!!







That setup is clean, I like how you rigged the coil! As far as big dabs are concerned the 20mm SiC dish has been handling pretty big dabs all the way down to 600 degrees for me. They just take longer to fully vaporize the lower you have it. I wonder if there is a difference in coil/enail or if your dabs are just that much bigger? If I turn it up to 700 a big dab vapes in a few seconds and I choke quickly. If I set it to 600 I take long slow drawn out dabs...Then I choke lol. That being said you might take huge dabs which apparently I do not. Although everyone around me says MINE are huge, after watching others dab slabs and worms in videos, mine are not that big! I did notice when I turned the 16mm bucket down to a low temp with the quartz cup, it would require a 20 second or longer draw to clear.And after that I could still get a second hit after I exhaled by leaving the cap on. It didn't fully vaporize the oil in 1 hit, but it didn't waste it either. I was able to remedy this by turning it up to around 720 for big dabs in the quartz or just enjoying a second small hit after by leaving the cap on if I felt like leaving the temp low. again my "big" dabs may not be equal to your big dabs.
I do think if you like big ole dabs you should go with the 20mm version if you are buying one.



Sorry your old one died but I think you will like that enail. I use a G9 enail with what looks like the same components and it's the Tits!

This one had the Omron E5CC PiD, nice SSR and a usb to patch the firmware. It has worked great since day one. It was about the same price as yours off of DH gate, about $200 with a 20mm and 16mm coil. Good luck with your new one!

http://www.greenlightvapes.com/productsdetail.asp?id=4

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Yeah the Honey Hole is going to have an adjustable height air intake too so you can position it right above the dabbing surface. Should help vaporize low temp dabs more quickly. Josh's killing it.

@MileHighLife how are you getting the retainer to fit under the coil?

rolln_j said:

@MileHighLife how are you getting the retainer to fit under the coil?

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The D-Nail flat coil, High5 flat coil and Hyman (dhgate) flat coil all fit fine with the heater retainer underneath. I think the Auber flat coils are too thick, though, from what I've read on here ... is that what you're using?

I was looking into purchasing a Quartz Halo. But i am reading that it is only compatible with the flat coil created by Dnail.

Is there anyway around this? ( i have zero issues with my current High5 enail and SiC dish )

Also. Because im interested in the Quartz Halo, would me using a titanium carb cap on the Quartz Halo effect/defeat the increased flavor of the quartz surface? I feel as i would much prefer a quartz Carb cap to go along with the quartz halo....., but I'm not sure to as if that will ever be available ?

I've been following this thread for some time and finally decided to pull the trigger and purchase an Enail. I almost built my own (I used to repair radios and fiber in the Marine Corps) but after some injuries my hands aren't what they used to be and I didn't want to deal with the hassle. Like a lot of people I'm waiting for an affordable next-gen enail and there's nothing on the market now that I truly yearn for (or can afford). So I decided to go with a box that will hopefully last a couple of years at which time I hope there will be more affordable and advanced options available, especially in the induction arena!

Anyway, I'm way off topic. I decided against a cheap ($130-$160) enail as I wanted something with a decent PID that would hold stable temp's (hate dealing with 15 to 20 degree drops that I experienced at a dispensary). I chose the Gimido Elite Dabs enail w/ flat coil ($227.90 shipped DHL). I was originally going to purchase the Gimido Small Dabs 2.5, but as I was checking out their sale ended and my price went from $190 to $420 something (talk about a surprise!). The price for the small dabs changed again a few minutes later and lowered another hundred bucks. Still, I wasn't going to spend $325 for something that was $190 a few moments ago and in my opinion this box isn't worth more than $200 anyway, if that!

So... I didn't want to spend more but perhaps that was a lucky break for me as I realized shortly after that the small dabs enail only operates to 100 watts when I thought it went to 250. I instead chose the Elite Dabs for a bit more as it could handle 250 watts, though I was forced to buy the heater coil with this box as it didn't offer the option to purchase without like the small dabs version did (I was going to buy a D-Nail extended life flat coil separately to use instead of Gimido's heater coil).

FYI, incase anyone cares, though the prices changed on e-nail's site, I noticed the prices on gimido-bigcartel's site are still the same (though the Elite Dabs is $20 more expensive there?).

Sadly, I must also report that (for me at least) the Gimido coupon codes I'm aware of no longer work as of today (Trippy, Gimido, & weblowtrees). I tried them on every single enail and no luck (I had luck yesterday).

Thanks to everyone for the information, experience, and guidance, you've posted over the past few months, I've learned a lot! I look forward to my torch being put away and never coming out again (unless the power goes out or the zombie apocalypse finally hits)!

KittensTasteYummy said:

I've been following this thread for some time and finally decided to pull the trigger and purchase an Enail. I almost built my own (I used to repair radios and fiber in the Marine Corps) but after some injuries my hands aren't what they used to be and I didn't want to deal with the hassle. Like a lot of people I'm waiting for an affordable next-gen enail and there's nothing on the market now that I truly yearn for (or can afford). So I decided to go with a box that will hopefully last a couple of years at which time I hope there will be more affordable and advanced options available, especially in the induction arena!

Anyway, I'm way off topic. I decided against a cheap ($130-$160) enail as I wanted something with a decent PID that would hold stable temp's (hate dealing with 15 to 20 degree drops that I experienced at a dispensary). I chose the Gimido Elite Dabs enail w/ flat coil ($227.90 shipped DHL). I was originally going to purchase the Gimido Small Dabs 2.5, but as I was checking out their sale ended and my price went from $190 to $420 something (talk about a surprise!). The price for the small dabs changed again a few minutes later and lowered another hundred bucks. Still, I wasn't going to spend $325 for something that was $190 a few moments ago and in my opinion this box isn't worth more than $200 anyway, if that!

So... I didn't want to spend more but perhaps that was a lucky break for me as I realized shortly after that the small dabs enail only operates to 100 watts when I thought it went to 250. I instead chose the Elite Dabs for a bit more as it could handle 250 watts, though I was forced to buy the heater coil with this box as it didn't offer the option to purchase without like the small dabs version did (I was going to buy a D-Nail extended life flat coil separately to use instead of Gimido's heater coil).

FYI, incase anyone cares, though the prices changed on e-nail's site, I noticed the prices on gimido-bigcartel's site are still the same (though the Elite Dabs is $20 more expensive there?).

Sadly, I must also report that (for me at least) the Gimido coupon codes I'm aware of no longer work as of today (Trippy, Gimido, & weblowtrees). I tried them on every single enail and no luck (I had luck yesterday).

Thanks to everyone for the information, experience, and guidance, you've posted over the past few months, I've learned a lot! I look forward to my torch being put away and never coming out again (unless the power goes out or the zombie apocalypse finally hits)!

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IMO consider returning it and getting the DIY D-nail. You want to build your own, this is half way there. More of a plug and play kit, no soldering etc. Then you end up with the highest end components, and have some fun doing it! I forget the price but I got mine without a coil since I already had theirs for when I had the analog nail. It really was a fun project. Usually I get frustrated during DIY, but it was VERY well documented. Just my 2 cents!

@darkrom is that a kit you can buy in one go or is it just a case of mixing and matching?

DabDiva said:

I was looking into purchasing a Quartz Halo. But i am reading that it is only compatible with the flat coil created by Dnail.

Is there anyway around this? ( i have zero issues with my current High5 enail and SiC dish )

Also. Because im interested in the Quartz Halo, would me using a titanium carb cap on the Quartz Halo effect/defeat the increased flavor of the quartz surface? I feel as i would much prefer a quartz Carb cap to go along with the quartz halo....., but I'm not sure to as if that will ever be available ?

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They say that because the quartz halo tends to chip around the bottom lip if the flat coil is warped or deformed at all. That said I use mine with my high5 and it works great. The high5 flat coils that I own are wrapped beautifully and aren't warped at all, though. If yours are too it shouldn't be a problem but D-Nail wont cover you if it does break on a high5 coil.

Titanium carb cap wont effect flavor. The body of the quartz halo is titanium and that body is being heated to what ever temp your heating your coil up to and then your pulling air through that titanium body.

D-Nail says they have big plans for SiC ... I'm hoping SiC slim series bases, carb caps and torch nails for domes. I feel like the SiC revolution has just barely begun ... for D-Nail and every other company.

@ReggieB it's the DIY kit by D-Nail which is the D-Nail 1.2 kit unassembled for $100 cheaper than the assembled 1.2. They come with preassembled wires etc and really nice directions so it's super simple and pretty fun to put together. I think all you need is a screw driver.

ReggieB said:

@darkrom is that a kit you can buy in one go or is it just a case of mixing and matching?

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Its a full kit from d-nail. Everything you need to build your own D-nail 1.2 for way less. Took under an hour while watching TV and dabbing lol. It was good fun and now I have a d-nail 1.2 for the price of the other guys cheaper units. Win win, unless you really don't want to assemble it. But no soldering its all plug and play. Legos for adults, but functional

darkrom said:

Its a full kit from d-nail. Everything you need to build your own D-nail 1.2 for way less. Took under an hour while watching TV and dabbing lol. It was good fun and now I have a d-nail 1.2 for the price of the other guys cheaper units. Win win, unless you really don't want to assemble it. But no soldering its all plug and play. Legos for adults, but functional

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I'm having a hard time finding the difference between a unit like the D-nail DIY(or 1.2) and a unit like the Basic High5vapes or one of the Auber units. I'm sure there is something. The difference in price just seems too great for there not to be. Is it the temperature controller? Or some features I've missed? I've learned from vaporizers you, generally, get what you pay for in this market and I'd like to make sure I'm not over looking some aspect of the d-nail.

loadthetrenchdawg said:

I'm having a hard time finding the difference between a unit like the D-nail DIY(or 1.2) and a unit like the Basic High5vapes or one of the Auber units. I'm sure there is something. The difference in price just seems too great for there not to be. Is it the temperature controller? Or some features I've missed? I've learned from vaporizers you, generally, get what you pay for in this market and I'd like to make sure I'm not over looking some aspect of the d-nail.

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The pid is better on the d nail 1.2 but the basic high5 works great. During a big dab the high5 will drop about 15 degrees before it starts to heat back up and catch up to the set temp while the d nail 1.2 only drops about 5 degrees. You wont notice a difference between the 2 other than numbers on the pid screen. Also worth noting is high 5 coil cords are only 4 foot while pretty much every other brand uses 6 foot cords.

MileHighLife said:

The pid is better on the d nail 1.2 but the basic high5 works great. During a big dab the high5 will drop about 15 degrees before it starts to heat back up and catch up to the set temp while the d nail 1.2 only drops about 5 degrees. You wont notice a difference between the 2 other than numbers on the pid screen. Also worth noting is high 5 coil cords are only 4 foot while pretty much every other brand uses 6 foot cords.

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Thank you very much!

MileHighLife said:

Yeah the Honey Hole is going to have an adjustable height air intake too so you can position it right above the dabbing surface. Should help vaporize low temp dabs more quickly. Josh's killing it.

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Just got my reply from Josh at CCA. The new dabber designs seem just as innovative and promising. The "melt master" is a dabber build for crumble and the like. Has a hollow tip with holes to allow the oil to evenly melt out. I'm planning on ordering my Liger v2 right now, but I'm definitely waiting for the new Honey Hole Cap and dabbers!

loadthetrenchdawg said:

I'm having a hard time finding the difference between a unit like the D-nail DIY(or 1.2) and a unit like the Basic High5vapes or one of the Auber units. I'm sure there is something. The difference in price just seems too great for there not to be. Is it the temperature controller? Or some features I've missed? I've learned from vaporizers you, generally, get what you pay for in this market and I'd like to make sure I'm not over looking some aspect of the d-nail.

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No major difference in function. Higher build quality probably. Definitely more accurate temps but its not like the others are way off.

@MileHighLife yes I am using the auberins flat coil - so looks like I need a new coil - be nice to have a backup I guess - I know the hyman one will work with my pid - is the high five the one where the guy will make it custom for you?

rolln_j said:

@MileHighLife yes I am using the auberins flat coil - so looks like I need a new coil - be nice to have a backup I guess - I know the hyman one will work with my pid - is the high five the one where the guy will make it custom for you?

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No that's through Darid at domeless.com but the amazon prime seller now has flat coils in stock that will work with an auber unit.

http://www.amazon.com/Aiicioo-120V-Heater-Thermocouple-Systems/dp/B0177DETRC

darkrom said:

IMO consider returning it and getting the DIY D-nail. You want to build your own, this is half way there. More of a plug and play kit, no soldering etc. Then you end up with the highest end components, and have some fun doing it! I forget the price but I got mine without a coil since I already had theirs for when I had the analog nail. It really was a fun project. Usually I get frustrated during DIY, but it was VERY well documented. Just my 2 cents!

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I understand your point, however as I mentioned in my post: while I do have the knowledge to easily make my own (I used to repair electronics in the Marine Corps), thanks to some combat injuries my hands aren't what they used to be. Because of that I'm not trying to assemble my own at the moment and needed something finished.

Just a heads up for anyone else who purchased a D-Nail straight hole carb cap ... D-Nail is willing to exchange the straight hole carb caps for angled hole caps (now in stock) free of charge. We just have to make sure the cap is completely clean and pay return shipping to get the straight hole carb cap back to D-Nail. Get with customer service at D-Nail and they'll get you sorted out.

@MileHighLife thanks man - ordering that baby up right now - been meaning to order a bargain coil anyway to have just in case and i use the shit out of prime!

Since I'll finally have a compatible e-nail as of Monday, I'm going to be ordering an extended life flat coil from D-Nail to use with the Quartz Halo and occasionally the SiC. I'm going to keep the new Gimido coil and use it as a backup for the next time it dies. While I'm ordering would it make sense to also get a heater retainer and maybe locking nut to use with the HE male base? Mainly thinking of using the retainer between the coil and Halo to help heat distribution but I forget if there was a solid verdict on that. Could use it below as well though that seems to be more for utility than performance. It's only $10 so I might just get it either way but I wanted to poke the FC Brain first to be sure.