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MrHendricks

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Have been a committed joint (with tobacco) smoker for 25+ years and I've noticed that my chest has started to get tight in the mornings and more wheezy than normal, so I've started with vaping. Tried several types before I settled on the Arizer Solo - from the lighter heated ones, to the MFLB (I have no idea why people like that one!) and the Extreme Q but the Solo is definitely the one that I've had most success with.

Only thing is, the hit off it isn't the same as a good old tobacco based joint. I guess it's the nicotine rush that I'm missing - but it doesn't seem to get me as wasted as a spliff and I'm therefore still not fully on the vape..

Anyone got any suggestions - is it just time and experience, it will get better as time goes on?

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Dramma Lamma

Dramma Lamma

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Friends of mine who are used to a spliff (tobacco and bud mixed joint) like you all had a far harder time transitioning into vaping bud than those who did not smoke tobacco. Some never made the transition and are actually still in denial that vaping is any good in the first place.

At least you already came to the correct conclusion yourself, and therefore can actually grow and work on it. Like you said the nicotine "addiction" is the thing you are missing and thus why the herb vape is not truly satisfying. There are a few ways you can go about tackling this issue and I'll just throw out ideas and you can see what works for you.

My suggestions wold be this:
  • Try a gum/patch or some other type of quit smoking device, does a bud vape sesh and a stick of gum/patch satisfy?
  • If not then perhaps getting a e-cigarette and switching over to vaping your nicotine on the side, and see how that goes.
  • Get a $2 sample of NudeNicotine and try adding that into your herb to vape and see how that goes. Alternatively you could use some tobacco also, but I'd imagine that would kill the flavor of the herb.
Either way, yes it is partially just time and experience and it will get more satisfying with time and experience.
 
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AhBeVapin

AhBeVapin

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Hey now,

@MrHendricks, I believe you. You are missing the nicotine when vaping vs blazing TBJ's. Twofold problem.

One,
IMO, the 'rush' (you feel dizzy/light headed right?) you describe is actually carbon monoxide poisoning your brain, not so much the nicotine
I'm a vaporist based solely on the fact that i know & believe that smoke/combustion kills. Firsthand, secondhand smoke, it doesn't matter.

Think big picture: Firefighters use oxygen tanks when inside burning buildings as there isn't any oxygen to be found in a burning building.

Two
If you need the nic, try the e-cig suggested above, highest success rate to becoming a non-smoker.
Nicotine won't kill you, nor will any of the goodies the herb, if you vaporize...try to change the way you are processing the sensations you encounter when vaporizing vs blazing.
AVB out
 
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MrHendricks

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Dramma Lamma said:
Friends of mine who are used to a spliff (tobacco and bud mixed joint) like you all had a far harder time transitioning into vaping bud than those who did not smoke tobacco. Some never made the transition and are actually still in denial that vaping is any good in the first place.

At least you already came to the correct conclusion yourself, and therefore can actually grow and work on it. Like you said the nicotine "addiction" is the thing you are missing and thus why the herb vape is not truly satisfying. There are a few ways you can go about tackling this issue and I'll just throw out ideas and you can see what works for you.

My suggestions wold be this:
  • Try a gum/patch or some other type of quit smoking device, does a bud vape sesh and a stick of gum/patch satisfy?
  • If not then perhaps getting a e-cigarette and switching over to vaping your nicotine on the side, and see how that goes.
  • Get a $2 sample of NudeNicotine and try adding that into your herb to vape and see how that goes. Alternatively you could use some tobacco also, but I'd imagine that would kill the flavor of the herb.
Either way, yes it is partially just time and experience and it will get more satisfying with time and experience.
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Cheers for the response, like the gum idea, may give that a go. I've never smoked cigarettes on their own in all my life so don't get cravings too bad, it's just I don't feel as wasted!
 
momofthegoons

momofthegoons

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Often when people start to vape, after combusting, it takes a while to get used to the difference in high. It's a much more energetic, head high and you lose the "couch lock" that combusting gives you. Don't forget, you are only getting the THC now, not all of the other cannabanoids. However, those who stick to it will find that after a couple of weeks, combustion just doesn't cut it anymore. The taste is God awful.

My advice would be to stick to vaporing exclusively for at least 3 weeks. I'd be very, very surprised if you still wanted to combust after that.
 
max

max

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You're not only dealing with the lack of tobacco/nicotine, but with the missing byproducts of smoke, which mj smokers attribute to cannabis effects but really aren't related to anything but the production of smoke. These smoke effects are mostly sedative. You don't say whether you're a cig smoker, or just use tobacco with mj, but the effects of tobacco smoking are also likely to be a factor in your transition from smoke to vapor.

momofthegoons said:
My advice would be to stick to vaporing exclusively for at least 3 weeks.
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Whether it takes 3 weeks or 3 days, nearly all vaporists agree that quitting smoking completely is the best way to go, if your goal is 100% vaporizing.

Melting Pot said:
Not something that I would try but maybe try blending your tobacco and your MJ together in your vape?
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Even if you plan to continue to use tobacco, I would not mix it with mj, even in a vaporizer. I think it's important to separate the effects. Vapor is a much cleaner high and you should experience the effects of mj vapor only, if you're serious about making the switch.
 
Melting Pot

Melting Pot

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Like I said not something I would try.But many European's enjoy blending there tobacco and MJ together but maybe I misunderstood I thought that's what he did so if you enjoy combusting it together maybe you would enjoy vaporizing together as well.
I personally do not use tobacco gave it up over 4 years ago.:tup:
Combustion free for almost a year.
Good Luck @MrHendricks
 
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Reliable ShotZ

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You have spent 25 years with that type of high, your not used to the vaping high. Give it a couple of weeks and your body and mind will adjust, use temperatures like 200 celcius for that stoned effect you get from a spliff. Exercise before getting high is good aswell, give up smoking completely and your lungs will thank you for it and will become more efficient at absorbing your vaped weed. I can run without getting out of breath and I love it, throw away them rizlas and become a healthy stoner.
 
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Ifeejulah Vapor

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MrHendricks said:
Have been a committed joint (with tobacco) smoker for 25+ years and I've noticed that my chest has started to get tight in the mornings and more wheezy than normal, so I've started with vaping. Tried several types before I settled on the Arizer Solo - from the lighter heated ones, to the MFLB (I have no idea why people like that one!) and the Extreme Q but the Solo is definitely the one that I've had most success with.

Only thing is, the hit off it isn't the same as a good old tobacco based joint. I guess it's the nicotine rush that I'm missing - but it doesn't seem to get me as wasted as a spliff and I'm therefore still not fully on the vape..

Anyone got any suggestions - is it just time and experience, it will get better as time goes on?

cheers
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My advice to you would be pack the Solo stem and set it to level 7...its too harsh for me but for a spliff smoker youll be used to it...ull get huge clouds and a more "in yor face" head high....2 fresh Solo lvl 7 packs will get you incredibly high..hopefully hgh enough to forget about nicotine haha


Thats the simplest advice I can think off just crank that bitch and vape until your properly stoned!
 
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MrHendricks

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Thanks everyone for the support. I'm gradually getting there and I know that's where I'll end up as not sorting it out isn't an option long term! Don't think I'll go for the tobacco mix, may end up liking it too much...and it'll probably make a right mess of the vape!

I definitely think the higher temp is worth giving a go, I normally start at 4 on the solo and get up to 5 before the end of the session, but I'll give it a go higher and see what happens!
 
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MrHendricks

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@steama thanks man, I'll check it out. Gonna face issues from the missus though if I turn up with another vape! I've gone through 3 others before I hit the solo and, lets face it, they ain't cheap things. My internal business case i.e. spend no money on fags and it'll pay for itself quickly, went out the window for a more long term strategy - about 3 years I think now with the amount spent!
 
CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
It's been over 2 years since I fucked combustion. I smoked joints and pipes for 20+ years. It took me 2 to 3 weeks to go through the transition. I didn't smoke cigs.

Don't listen to those folks that tell you that you can't get as medicated with a vaporizer as you can smoking. It just isn't true.

Make sure you quit smoking cannabis completely. If you continue to smoke even a little that won't work, you need to cut the ties altogether.

It will be one of the best things you can do for your health. You will notice that you will get your sense of smell and taste back. Your clothes and hair won't have that stinky smell any longer.

Have you tried using a water tool? You can use the higher temps that way. I use higher temps late at night for sleep.
 
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CarolKing

CarolKing

Singer of songs and a vapor connoisseur
You have come to the right website. You may need some help and assistance along the way. There are many helpful members to get you through the rough times. Many of us have been in the same place as you are now.

With vaporizing you can experience the different flavors of the cannabis that you are using. Eventually smoking a joint won't appeal to you anymore, it will be discussing. That's when you know you are home free.
 
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hoptimum

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MrHendricks said:
Only thing is, the hit off it isn't the same as a good old tobacco based joint. I guess it's the nicotine rush that I'm missing - but it doesn't seem to get me as wasted as a spliff and I'm therefore still not fully on the vape..
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No, the hit from a vaporizer will definitely not taste or feel the same as a "good old tobacco based joint." You've likely grown accustomed, if not addicted, to chemicals in the tobacco. That's not to be confused with THC, however, which is what is delivering the psychoactive effects. Vaporizing isolates the THC and eliminates most of the other chemcals that you've associated with the experience of smoking, so it probably feels lighter to you. But the fact is, you're probably getting more THC from vapor than smoke. Its all that other stuff thats causing your physical discomfort, IMO. You'll never know for sure until you cut the combustion cord.
 
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MrHendricks

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Hey all, once again, it's great to find so much support around the place, thanks to this great site!

Turning up the solo has definitely given a more "stoney" hit, although the taste is not as good. Unfortunately, the PVHE kit doesn't seem to be available in the UK as those water attachments do look great. I'll continue searching for one.

One thing I'm realising is that you really get the differences in the type of herb used. I used to go for really energetic sativas but am realising that was to counter the heavier nature of the tobacco mix. Really enjoying indicas more in the vape as it's not so much of a knock out, sleepy high as I'm used to.

I've been cutting back loads on the fags this week, instead of 2-3 spliffs now having a couple of vapes and a guilty spliff - I'll cut that out in a few weeks I think. Unfortunately (sort of!) when you've had a vape and then have a spliff within an hour or so, it gets you very, very nicely baked - need to be careful. Still, even lessening the amount of tobacco taken is a good step..

Thanks again for all the support peeps

MrH
 
rakka

rakka

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MrHendricks said:
Turning up the solo has definitely given a more "stoney" hit, although the taste is not as good. Unfortunately, the PVHE kit doesn't seem to be available in the UK as those water attachments do look great. I'll continue searching for one.
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Yeah, lower temps generally taste a lot nicer. :) Just get the PVHEGong 18mm from PlanetVape man. Tracked shipping (EMS I think) to me in Australia cost more than the Gong itself, but damn, it was worth the wait and cost.

You'll find your material is spent much quicker than when regular vaping.. because you'll be taking much larger hits, and you can turn the temp right up! The bad tastes associated with higher temps won't be as noticeable through water ;)

I really think it'll help on your journey to fucking combustion. And personally, it's just a hell of a lot more fun too. I vape almost exclusively through water now.

EDIT: what about vapefiend.co.uk for the gong?
http://www.vapefiend.co.uk/arizer-solo-high-efficiency-water-pipe-adapter-pvhegong.html

MrHendricks said:
One thing I'm realising is that you really get the differences in the type of herb used. I used to go for really energetic sativas but am realising that was to counter the heavier nature of the tobacco mix. Really enjoying indicas more in the vape as it's not so much of a knock out, sleepy high as I'm used to.
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Oooh yeah. Sativa, indica, hybrid--so easy to tell them apart when vaping, with the negative effects of combustion out of the picture. The difference between great potent bud and low-grade crap will be even more apparent too.
 
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Reliable ShotZ

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I was the same as you last year for the first few weeks I really put off vaping and just carried on with spliffs as it just wasn't hitting the spot. Then I ran out of baccy I decided to really give it a go, really hold in ur hits and eventually you will get that satisfying high. You could make some avb edibles to back up your vaped high. And look at it like this, I was spending all that money on baccy and all that tax on top of it, you'll save a lot of money.
 
Reliable ShotZ,
Melting Pot

Melting Pot

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@MrHendricks Definitely work on technique try rebreathing you're hits experiment have fun with it .There's a thread on it. I don't know if you have access to concentrate or not.
I'm disabled but here's my routine. Start out 8:00am couple nano stems.8:30-9:00 couple dabs move back to nano cruise control with a couple hits off Sr-71 in between. Basically I dab when I have to get up and take Rx meds since I'm already up 8:00,2:00,6:00,8:00 sometimes more if I feel bad. Lol
And E-nano and Sr-71 in between. So if u really want to FuckCombustion there is a way.
Good Luck Bud :rockon:
 
Grim Chiclets

Grim Chiclets

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I kinda weaned off with a crappy ecig and a vaporite for a few months until I got the mflb, and then my Solo. The mflb is great, but doesn't do a whole lot for a cloud chasing smoker.. At this point I was still smoking cigs once or twice a week, but once I got the Solo, it got easier. Now I'm smoke free with a nautilus mini on my ecig battery, and the Solo is the only vape I need (though I of course have VAS :doh:)
Oh and I also used to smoke spliffs all the time, I almost miss it..
 
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