Efficiency: a lost art?

I found vaping to be aces for conservation. I use some pretty low quality herb and 2 stems is enough for me. I hope to get high quality strains and see what the difference is (having never compared the vapor). I only do on the weekends which saves a bundle already, but vaping ground up high quality herb from a MZ (or any log) would be the best. If its high quality, you won't need much at all. If its ground up, you will get the absolute most out of it. And if its through a stem, you will be using a very miniscule amount. I hope to get an 8th of kush soon. I'm quite curious to see how long it will last me now I'm a strictly a vaporist.

Now I'm vaping, its sad for me to hear about people smoking blunts and joints. They are oh so very wasteful. You won't see me dragging on a J any time soon

I would agree that the art if efficiency is something that is generally overlooked in society today, across a variety of spectrum. In regards to the consumption of cannabis however, I personally believe that the state of mind the user is out to achieve dictates usage in most cases. High doses of cannabis can induce powerful psychedelic effects, Terence Mckenna has spoken about this quite extensively.

If ones requirements of cannabis are fulfilled with a low, monitored dose that is rather excellent, especially in today's economic climate However, it could be argued that just the same there is an art in being able to tolerate heavy doses, or draw insight from the depths.

Different strokes for different folks, really.

I still maintain a level of efficiency, for the record. But this thread seemed to overlook the perks of smoking copious amounts. Try taking a 5-7 day break from cannabis, and on the last night sit in a cool, dark room alone and smoke/vape furiously, consuming as much as you care to tolerate. Silent or with a soundtrack, lay comfortably in the darkness and see how far the rabbit hole goes

Great point! I've actually started to enjoy my high tolerance level. In order to get the IOP down in my eyes I need to consume more than most people which can make it hard to function on a day to day basis, so my high tolerance allows that. Then if I feel like going down the rabbit hole all I have to do is take a break for a day or two and it's like a completely different drug.

I feel that efficiency goes hand in hand with quality... the higher caliber of herb being consumed, the longer the stash should last, now if the only thing one can get their hands on is some mid grade bud then I feel it's more efficient to roll up some beastly blunts and chief on those.

How high can you get by vaporizing and how much further you can travel in this mindblowing experience is what the dose depends on.. Its like how much fuel do you put into your car .. Well some days i drive car , some days a space shuttle.. My use varies from 0,5 - 15 g daily .. depending on how much power and free time i have,, If some herb is not high quality i dont buy it , i prefer to smash my head with wild hash..

Haha I love hash in my vape. Dainbramage0 I don't tend to see it as simply a slider at either end. Really the optimal is full scalability.

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tiny amounts of vape will get you very cained

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if you pile on as much as is humanly possible you are still functional at top end

I used to only be able to buy real good herb on occasion. I used to "smoke" almost an 3-4g a day. I can now afford to buy the best stuff I can find and I now "vape" around .7g a day and I'm much more medicated than before. I'm mad I didn't discover vaping sooner!!

I also think my tolerance has gone down since I started vaping. I can get RIPPED off .1g

Amazing really.

The amount of $$ I've saved from switching to vaping (both herb and ecig) over the last 2 years is astronomical

I think maybe I'm the odd man out here: I like sitting around blowing dope. The heck with efficiency! OK, I'm efficient when times are hard and nothing about to vape...

For me, I really am at the perfect amount after 1 and have been sticking to that to conserve since around here it can be a tad pricey for the herb. However with vaping, I've noticed that, it lasts much less time than combusting or edibles. Thus, a need for a second bowl after lets say 45 minutes or so.

Teamo said:

For me, I really am at the perfect amount after 1 and have been sticking to that to conserve since around here it can be a tad pricey for the herb. However with vaping, I've noticed that, it lasts much less time than combusting or edibles. Thus, a need for a second bowl after lets say 45 minutes or so.

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While I agree that a lot of the euphoric buzz that you feel right after vaping starts to fade at a certain point, I think that overall the effects from vaping can last hours and hours.

Enjoy the high. That's the whole point of what we're doing, right? Vape when you need to vape. Don't vape when you don't need to vape. No problem.

tdavie said:

And some get really low quality weed. Don't forget that. All things being equal, I find that vaping is more efficient, but then I've never bothered to do a test on one 'batch' of weed, split between vaping and combusting.

With what I would call dispensary quality weed, it usually takes one hit and that's it. The lower the quality of weed, the more is needed, and I would be willing to bet it's the same for everyone.

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When I did combust I always used a 1-hitter that looked like a cigarette. Usually 2-3 hits, then prn to maintain. That was very efficient - much more so than joint/pipe. I use an Iolite or a Solo and I use about the same amount any way I use. I prefer having that 1-2 hits last some 12 minutes or more though, which the vape does for me. I can't even say lots of little hits - I hit when I hit - but either method I used is very efficient. "Combusting" can mean so many things, many not as efficient as others. I have not vaped and used more than anything involving a BIC lighter - of that I am sure. As for the quality issue, I would have to agree that lower nicotine cigs require more to get to the same place. But one gets used to the finer things too, so one always needs more. And more... and MORE! Scary. Actually I bet most people, if they really tracked use, would find they use about the same day after day after day. That might be called their daily dosage.

I agree with you in theory, I use the Arizer solo, which has a fairly small stem and I only do one stem in a sitting. However I've been tending to do that 1 stem as many as 5 times a day, and at this point I'm having trouble getting the effects I want at all. I've been smoking heavily for 2 years, the first by combustion, the second by vape, it's only recently that I've noticed the large tolerance spike.

I've always tried to be efficient with my stash even when I combusted. I was constantly fighting the battle of "did I smoke enough to get a buzz" vs "if I smoke more now it's just wasting it", lol. I was never a fan of bongs or joints as they just seemed to inefficient.

Now than I switched completely to vaping, one bowl does me plenty for a few hours. I my vaporizer. It's helped in more ways than one too, I am now less picky about what goes in my bowls and I'm vaping my sugar leaves, they tastes great.

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I agree with you in theory, I use the Arizer solo, which has a fairly small stem and I only do one stem in a sitting. However I've been tending to do that 1 stem as many as 5 times a day, and at this point I'm having trouble getting the effects I want at all. I've been smoking heavily for 2 years, the first by combustion, the second by vape, it's only recently that I've noticed the large tolerance spike.

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Try altering the strains you use if possible. I find this works so well I don't need tolerance breaks anymore.

A different strain each month works great for me.

When I first started smoking everyday,,,,,'back in the 1970's' I took bong hits with a one hit bowl. Even in a pipe,,,I never loaded the bowl.....Only enough for a 'one hit' for me or a friend,,,,then I would reload. I hated waste. Never would use my own herb for joints.

I agree with OTA, switching straings helps lower my tolerance.

It also helps to not wake n bake, medicinal users will not be able to do this of course, but it helps if you are a smart stoner.

Exercise, good food and plenty of omega3 also very helpfull.

When it comes to efficiency, i think the best is a small load, especially with vaping.

I was always one of the more efficient smokers in my group of friends, corner the bowl, packing snaps in the bong, etc. With my MFLB, I can pack however much or little I want, and my tendencies carry over to vaporizing, so I can stay high all day on a few trenches, or I can vape two back to back and get wrecked.

I forgot to mention that the reason I think people don't like vaporization is because they're used to the "freight train hitting a wall of bricks" kind of kick that smoking provides. I definitely agree that vaporizing makes it creep for up to 30 minutes. Dunno about you guys, but for me it always takes longer for me to get cottonmouth vaping than I would get it from smoking. And then the slow pressure behind my eyes, the warm feeling behind my ears and my jaw and back, etc. All the effects of vaping come slower and more drawn out, but I totally agree that it's worth it.