Discontinued Splinter Z by RBT

MasterChief said:

So I just tried TCR mode again and it seem to be working for 3-4 hits, then the screen said check atomizer. Now it says check atomizer every time I hit fire. Here are my settings:

TCR120
375F
0.43 locked
0.022
3.64v
85% 3.95v

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.43 seems high for ohm. I would remove splinter clean connection and reinstall on the mod. Recheck cold OHM most Z are closer to .40. Other thoughts try unlocking ohm and if using Sur_myevic can try increasing new value and turning off check.

• • New If the resistance in the TC is not blocked, the mod can determine that another tank is installed, if its resistance is different by this predetermined percentage. The default is 5%.
  • Check: Yes / No. The mod checks the spiral for the possibility of working with thermal control. "Heavy" coils may not pass the test on the TC (the mod will switch to the varivatt mode), although they can work in this mode. This checkbox can cancel this check (No).

HerbieVonVapster said:

.43 seems high for ohm. I would remove splinter clean connection and reinstall on the mod. Recheck cold OHM most Z are closer to .40. Other thoughts try unlocking ohm and if using Sur_myevic can try increasing new value and turning off check.

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  • • New If the resistance in the TC is not blocked, the mod can determine that another tank is installed, if its resistance is different by this predetermined percentage. The default is 5%.
    • Check: Yes / No. The mod checks the spiral for the possibility of working with thermal control. "Heavy" coils may not pass the test on the TC (the mod will switch to the varivatt mode), although they can work in this mode. This checkbox can cancel this check (No).

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I took the Z off and clean the connection and still shows .43 and .44.

MasterChief said:

I took the Z off and clean the connection and still shows .43 and .44.

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@VGOODIEZ or @RastaBuddhaTao may want to weigh in

YaMon said:

@VGOODIEZ or @RastaBuddhaTao may want to weigh in

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I don't know about this one. I will have to get Ryan involved. I'll ask.

VGOODIEZ said:

I don't know about this one. I will have to get Ryan involved. I'll ask.

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Thanks!

SquirrelMaster said:

Something I still don't understand is the emphasise of measuring cold ohms. My Z measures 0.39ohms when cold but resistance rises to 0.41ohms when hot and then my DNA250C is asking if I attached a new Atty.

Should the resistance be locked at 0.39ohms i.e. when its cold? Or should I let my device adjust it as needed?

Unless I'm missing something a rise in resistance (with all other things staying equal) will mean the heater will put out less heat hence why I keep thinking of locking that resistance in.​

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If you are running in TC mode, it is the resistance along with the material file information that allows the mods algorithm to approximate a temperature and fluctuate power according to the target interperolated temperature you have set.

With TC mode it os best practice to measure your attachments resistance when it is cold (room temperature), once measured lock it.

YaMon said:

If you are running in TC mode, it is the resistance along with the material file information that allows the mods algorithm to approximate a temperature and fluctuate power according to the target interperolated temperature you have set.

With TC mode it os best practice to measure your attachments resistance when it is cold (room temperature), once measured lock it.

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Where as in Watt mode you let the measured resistance fluctuate right?

SquirrelMaster said:

Where as in Watt mode you let the measured resistance fluctuate right?

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Correct as in Watt mode you are not trying to interpret temperature using cold resistance and the material file. In Watt mode the vape is unregulated, so you have to modulate your use of the fire button. I prefer TC mode where I can hold the fire button with less likelihood of combustion.

YaMon said:

In Watt mode the vape is unregulated, so you have to modulate your use of the fire button.

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I feel dumb. I was sure that it was unregulated in Watt mode but a quick google search gave me a few links saying it was a regulated device compared to the Milaana. I've been trying to wrap my head around this for days wondering what magic exists that regulates the Splinter and if that regulation kept the Splinter under a safe operating temperature let's say 450°F.

TCR is obviously regulated as it does the calculations to keep the temperature at whatever set point.

SquirrelMaster said:

I feel dumb. I was sure that it was unregulated in Watt mode but a quick google search gave me a few links saying it was a regulated device compared to the Milaana. I've been trying to wrap my head around this for days wondering what magic exists that regulates the Splinter and if that regulation kept the Splinter under a safe operating temperature let's say 450°F.

TCR is obviously regulated as it does the calculations to keep the temperature at whatever set point.

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I don't think you need to feel dumb. There's a lot to learn. I haven't even gone near TC yet, mainly because right now I am happy just getting good results from wattage mode. The barest notion of how TC operates and how to adjust it is dawning on me, albeit slowly. We're lucky to have incredibly helpful people here whose hard-won experience and process we can all learn from.

Thanks @Summer I really appreciate that.

This an amazing community of people that has helped me immensely over the years and I really appreciate it. I try to give back what I can to "pay it forward".

I aint knowin' much on resistance... unless it is related to political media atheism RBT supports use in wattage mode as per the supplied manual. The test for a valid heater warranty claim is if the herb doesn't brown at 50 - 60 watts after several 15 second draws. There are variations in the heater and vapor signature from unit to unit ... just like snowflakes. Please see the newly revised warranty page for details of trouble shooting tips and definition of valid warranty claims. Thanks to the community of users that have found many ways and custom firmware to maximize the versatility of RBT 510 devices and please understand that clear definition of RBT scope of involvement is essential to efficiently process warranty claims.

Beware of post hoc ergo propter hoc

So I changed the TCR value from 120 to 180 and I am not getting the atomizer error. Whats does changing the TCR value do exactly? Here are my settings in TCR:

355f
40w
0.42 locked
0.023

RastaBuddhaTao said:

I aint knowin' much on resistance... unless it is related to political media atheism RBT supports use in wattage mode as per the supplied manual. The test for a valid heater warranty claim is if the herb doesn't brown at 50 - 60 watts after several 15 second draws. There are variations in the heater and vapor signature from unit to unit ... just like snowflakes. Please see the newly revised warranty page for details of trouble shooting tips and definition of valid warranty claims. Thanks to the community of users that have found many ways and custom firmware to maximize the versatility of RBT 510 devices and please understand that clear definition of RBT scope of involvement is essential to efficiently process warranty claims.

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The last thing I want do is risk voiding anyones warranty on there RBT devices. The FCSHARE file where 65w preheat for the SplinterZ and 60w on splinter.

RBT warranty states over 50 watts isn't covered. I have changed these values to 50watts on the Splinter and SplinterZ files.

This really shouldn't affect performance too much. By dropping these value's it keeps the warranty coverage in effect. I'm also recommend not using cruise with the RBT devices due to the 30 second time limit.

All the FCSHARE are updated to reflect this change. I suggest either downloading the newest profile or manually change your wattage not to exceed 50 watts.

MasterChief said:

So I changed the TCR value from 120 to 180 and I am not getting the atomizer error. Whats does changing the TCR value do exactly? Here are my settings in TCR:

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Larger TCR values will give a hotter vape, whereas smaller TCR values will give a cooler vape, for the same temperature value.

Have you tried using the SS instead of TCR in sur_myevic?
Not sure why your getting the check atomizer my guess is related to either cold OHMs or possible related to locking OHMS and it's percentage along with the check setting in sur_myevic I posted earlier. Try unchecking check.


I just tried my splinterZ with the P80 with sur_myevic loaded. My cold OHM was 0.38 it's currently running fine unlocked using the SS material. Going mess around see if able to recreate what your experiencing on mine.

In the meantime here is a link that explains it in more details how TCR works.


https://www.ecigssa.co.za/guide-to-fine-tuning-temp-control-vaping.t18206/

HerbieVonVapster said:

The last thing I want do is risk voiding anyones warranty on there RBT devices. The FCSHARE file where 65w preheat for the SplinterZ and 60w on splinter.

RBT warranty states over 50 watts isn't covered. I have changed these values to 50watts on the Splinter and SplinterZ files.

This really shouldn't affect performance too much. By dropping these value's it keeps the warranty coverage in effect. I'm also recommend not using cruise with the RBT devices due to the 30 second time limit.

All the FCSHARE are updated to reflect this change. I suggest either downloading the newest profile or manually change your wattage not to exceed 50 watts.




Larger TCR values will give a hotter vape, whereas smaller TCR values will give a cooler vape, for the same temperature value.

Have you tried using the SS instead of TCR in sur_myevic?
Not sure why your getting the check atomizer my guess is related to either cold OHMs or possible related to locking OHMS and it's percentage along with the check setting in sur_myevic I posted earlier. Try unchecking check.

I just tried my splinterZ with the P80 with sur_myevic loaded. My cold OHM was 0.38 it's currently running fine unlocked using the SS material. Going mess around see if able to recreate what your experiencing on mine.

In the meantime here is a link that explains it in more details how TCR works.


https://www.ecigssa.co.za/guide-to-fine-tuning-temp-control-vaping.t18206/

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Thank you Herbie. I am getting quite a few questions in email and PM coming over regarding TC and settings. While we all know the Splinter is capable of operating in TC its important to note that this is not officially supported, nor is cruise and can possibly damage your unit and void your warranty unless you know what you are doing. The dilemma I get in is trying to provide good service to people asking without advising on something I know can void the warranty. RBT has a unique structure for service and warranty. It's all on the retailer's to decide if the case meets the criteria outlined by RBT. In some cases its cut and dry what is covered and in other cases it's not so clear. And remember we are trying to maintain a positive relationship with our customers so they consider us in the future for RBT products or anything else. And on top of that not everyone is honest about how things got to be the way they are. Most times I can see right through it but even then it's a dance to articulate that without offending someone.

In the end I want everyone to be happy with their purchase. I want them to get the best available performance for the capabilities. But understand that the retailers are acting as the middle man for warranty products. Credit is given on future orders and I for one am too small to take hits everywhere on replacing products that I cannot get credit back from RBT on. Some other retailers can sustain these potential losses but again I am not there yet.

So with that I hope you all understand that I cannot answer questions related to settings/TC. You are all going to have to help each other and we are all blessed to have some very smart and helpful people as part of this community.

@HerbieVonVapster I’ve ran TCR 165 and 180 it’s working fine at 355f and 370f. It was originally on 110 then I changed it to 120. Both of those settings would give an atomizer error. I’ll keep using it in TCR 180 at 355f to 370f for a few days and then go back to 35-38w to see if I notice any difference in performance.

Edit: I also changed my watts from 40w to 50w. It has improved heat up time. I’m starting to like TCR a little more than wattage.

HerbieVonVapster said:

The last thing I want do is risk voiding anyones warranty on there RBT devices. The FCSHARE file where 65w preheat for the SplinterZ and 60w on splinter.

RBT warranty states over 50 watts isn't covered. I have changed these values to 50watts on the Splinter and SplinterZ files.

This really shouldn't affect performance too much. By dropping these value's it keeps the warranty coverage in effect. I'm also recommend not using cruise with the RBT devices due to the 30 second time limit.

All the FCSHARE are updated to reflect this change. I suggest either downloading the newest profile or manually change your wattage not to exceed 50 watts.




Larger TCR values will give a hotter vape, whereas smaller TCR values will give a cooler vape, for the same temperature value.

Have you tried using the SS instead of TCR in sur_myevic?
Not sure why your getting the check atomizer my guess is related to either cold OHMs or possible related to locking OHMS and it's percentage along with the check setting in sur_myevic I posted earlier. Try unchecking check.

I just tried my splinterZ with the P80 with sur_myevic loaded. My cold OHM was 0.38 it's currently running fine unlocked using the SS material. Going mess around see if able to recreate what your experiencing on mine.

In the meantime here is a link that explains it in more details how TCR works.


https://www.ecigssa.co.za/guide-to-fine-tuning-temp-control-vaping.t18206/

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Thank you for making those adjustments! I’m going to change my preheat value to 50 when I get home. Also going to give my Z a go on wattage mode for a while, TCR is nice but I think I’ll have a better appreciation for it using it in watts until I have my technique down perfectly.

Well I feel a little foolish since I spent so much time, energy, and money on a DNA mod with TC, because I did an all wattage session last night and found I had much better control over the experience. It’s still nice to have a DNAc mod and I can always go back to it, or use it in wattage mode, but for now I have a nice two battery mod that’s kicking butt with my Splinter in wattage mode and that’s what I’m sticking with for now.

Monk Debate said:

Well I feel a little foolish since I spent so much time, energy, and money on a DNA mod with TC, because I did an all wattage session last night and found I had much better control over the experience. It’s still nice to have a DNAc mod and I can always go back to it, or use it in wattage mode, but for now I have a nice two battery mod that’s kicking butt with my Splinter in wattage mode and that’s what I’m sticking with for now.

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Which dna did you get again and what TC mod are you using instead?

Wattage is pretty glorious on a DNA too and still offers more even abv than any of the TC mods I've tried. And if/when you get another 510 device you can keep them on a preferred mod so the threads don't get overused.

I have nothing but love for wattage and TC both. It's unique to be able to use the same vape in different ways and alter the experience. It really suits my wine snob affection for vaping.

The closest I'd come to a criticism would be to say that temp can be more trouble than its worth on a TC mod. Even that isn't something I can say categorically now that my V2 is doing so well on the rxg3d.

bossman said:

Which dna did you get again and what TC mod are you using instead?

Wattage is pretty glorious on a DNA too and still offers more even abv than any of the TC mods I've tried. And if/when you get another 510 device you can keep them on a preferred mod so the threads don't get overused.

I have nothing but love for wattage and TC both. It's unique to be able to use the same vape in different ways and alter the experience. It really suits my wine snob affection for vaping.

The closest I'd come to a criticism would be to say that temp can be more trouble than its worth on a TC mod. Even that isn't something I can say categorically now that my V2 is doing so well on the rxg3d.

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My DNA mod is the HCigar VT75C. The dual batt mod I’m using is the Shogun Evic. It doesn’t run custom firmware but it’s well made and reliable. The ABV I got with it last night was perfectly even, no hot spotting at all.

I’m sure I’ll go back to TC at some point, but right now I’m really digging what wattage mode is giving me.

Monk Debate said:

My DNA mod is the HCigar VT75C. The dual batt mod I’m using is the Shogun Evic. It doesn’t run custom firmware but it’s well made and reliable. The ABV I got with it last night was perfectly even, no hot spotting at all.

I’m sure I’ll go back to TC at some point, but right now I’m really digging what wattage mode is giving me.

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What are you doing for wattage mode?

jbm said:

What are you doing for wattage mode?

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Last night I started at 20 and incrementally worked my way up to 37. Tonight I’m going to start at 32 and go up from there.

Monk Debate said:

My DNA mod is the HCigar VT75C. The dual batt mod I’m using is the Shogun Evic. It doesn’t run custom firmware but it’s well made and reliable. The ABV I got with it last night was perfectly even, no hot spotting at all.

I’m sure I’ll go back to TC at some point, but right now I’m really digging what wattage mode is giving me.

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FWIW in my research I saw that VT75C had some QC issues along with the Nano, so that may have been related to your difficulties with it... Glad to hear you found your way in wattage mode though!

So I just ran through a bowl of Apical Greens Lifter. Started at 32W and stayed there for quite a few hits. Generally 3-5 sec preheat, just at whatever wattage I was using. Lot of draw experimentation; a couple short sharp pulls then a long slow pull until I started tasting it then taking my finger off the button and pulling a little harder. Never got too hot or burnt, some pulls more tasty than others. Couple of big clouds, all mostly with some vapor. Finished at 37W. This was over the course of an hour or so; longest I went between pulls was probably about 15 minutes. You get such a broad range of flavor with this.

BTW, I won the Milaana 2 in the @VGOODIEZ raffle, eagerly awaiting its arrival!