California Legalization Vote Almost Here...interesting read and vid.
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Elluzion
Vapeosaurus Rex
lwien said:
This is interesting. A lot of growers I know don't want to legalize it just because they are profiting off of its prohibition currently. I mean it makes sense, but in the end what we want is it to be legal because making a plant illegal is one of the dumbest things in the world.
Basically I think people who sell will vote no, because there is profit to be gained by it being "illegal", but then again there is a risk involved.
But people who buy it will want prop 19 to pass because the ganja will be more readily accessible will vote yes.
lwien,
What are your views on this? Are you voting yes on prop 19? (we both live in northern california - i'm in bay area)
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Elluzion
Vapeosaurus Rex
lwien said:
Oh, I got it mixed up with a place in Nor cal. Yeah me too
I am very hopeful it will pass. I even donated to the prop 19 campaign
Beezleb said:
Yeah. in the end we all want to move forward and hopefully california will set an example for that and people will do their research and realize, wow cannabis is probably one of the most useful plants..... EVER!
Budz Bunny
Well-Known Member
Thank god for you guys in Cali for once again leading the way on this. I am always amazed at how different our country thinks from state to state. Gotta make you wonder how it got that way. Could it be that the original settlers (white) were more of an adventuristic sort and it had trickled down through generations via genetics or lifestyle?
I have had a chance to visit your state 2 times (I live on the other side of the Mississippi), and was very impressed with its natural beauty (not as impressed with your man made beauty).
Anyway - keep up the good work. Its inspiring for those of us who live in more backwards states.
I have had a chance to visit your state 2 times (I live on the other side of the Mississippi), and was very impressed with its natural beauty (not as impressed with your man made beauty).
Anyway - keep up the good work. Its inspiring for those of us who live in more backwards states.
rabblerouser
Combustion Fucker
almost all the people that came to america are crazy, or at least were unsatisfied with their lot / didn't fit in someplace. but some of them were cool once they got to the east coast, only the really crazy / unsatisfied with their lot / didn't fit in people kept going all the way to the west coast
it's unbelievable that growers are so vocally against this. the idea that they would protect their profits at the expense of allowing thousands of people to be jailed - for what they know is not a crime - is absolutely scandalous to me.
and almost as bad is that, when this point is brought up, it never seems to draw much of a reaction from those in favor of legalization - as if it were a legitimate point of view. when did condemning thousands to ruined lives for the sake of a bigger profit margin become ok with us? it reminds me of the attitudes of the hedge fund managers who profited off the recession.
and almost as bad is that, when this point is brought up, it never seems to draw much of a reaction from those in favor of legalization - as if it were a legitimate point of view. when did condemning thousands to ruined lives for the sake of a bigger profit margin become ok with us? it reminds me of the attitudes of the hedge fund managers who profited off the recession.
lwien
Well-Known Member
Plotinus said:
Condemning thousands for the sake of bigger profit margins has been happening since the beginning of time and will continue to happen going forward. As distasteful as that sounds, it's kind of built into our DNA.
It's the essence of war.
It's the essence of most governments worldwide.
It's the essence of most large corporations.
It's called survival. Be it survival of a corporation, a survival of a country, or the survival of an individual.
Fuck, I'm startin' to sound like Gordon Gekko.
I certainly agree with that. The problem I have is when good people don't call out the people who do this sort of thing. Maybe I am too much of an idealist, but to me a group as persecuted as marijuana users ought to find a way to exercise a little self-restraint in the name of charity, or justice, or whatever your chosen virtue is.
If we can't even muster that much, how can we complain about the small-minded cruelty of the people who are working so hard to keep these laws in place?
Homes
Well-Known Member
I'm dying to see the results from the vote because as others have said if Cali does it and sets the example and show that it can work then other states WILL follow suit at some point. The growers are being greedy bastards, I don't blame them because it's all about the money to them, but honestly this issue is WAY bigger than growers making more money and hopefully some of them will realize that when it comes time to vote.
Elluzion
Vapeosaurus Rex
Homes said:
Good points. But yeah in the end greed always takes over, and not the WELLBEING OF OTHERS. that seems to be a secondary notion. Which is really sad in my opinion. I don' know, but atleast for me, it isn't about "money." Money is nice, but not a necessity. I think our society has lost, is losing grip, and will lose grip on that concept.
*Fingers Crossed*
Also, if there are any growers here from California who are voting NO on prop 19, please state your reasoning for it. I would love to hear the other side
lwien
Well-Known Member
I think this quote says it best from a grower in that article:
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They're not totally against legalization -- they'd simply like a year or two to figure out their finances. Kristi's partner, 66, concedes they're being selfish.
"I never thought I would depend on it. I feel that way now," she said. "I'm kind of greedy right now. I'm not quite ready to let go. I haven't got a plan to get me through. ... It's weird to find myself saying it. Morally, I know it's the right thing. I might pass judgment on people who put themselves first financially, but here I am doing it.
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Conflicted to say the least. On one side of the scale you have a major concern about your own financial survival. For many of these growers, like the one who was quoted above, their main source of income is from growing bud, and that fact then is in conflict with their own moral convictions of doing or not doing the right thing regarding the legalization issue.
It is easy for us to lay blame and make judgments, but if the situation were reversed and you have been a grower for years and depended on that income to survive for you and your family, how easy, hard or impossible would it be for you to vote yes on 19?
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They're not totally against legalization -- they'd simply like a year or two to figure out their finances. Kristi's partner, 66, concedes they're being selfish.
"I never thought I would depend on it. I feel that way now," she said. "I'm kind of greedy right now. I'm not quite ready to let go. I haven't got a plan to get me through. ... It's weird to find myself saying it. Morally, I know it's the right thing. I might pass judgment on people who put themselves first financially, but here I am doing it.
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Conflicted to say the least. On one side of the scale you have a major concern about your own financial survival. For many of these growers, like the one who was quoted above, their main source of income is from growing bud, and that fact then is in conflict with their own moral convictions of doing or not doing the right thing regarding the legalization issue.
It is easy for us to lay blame and make judgments, but if the situation were reversed and you have been a grower for years and depended on that income to survive for you and your family, how easy, hard or impossible would it be for you to vote yes on 19?
mattybass
Quasi-Intellectual
lwien said:
Cruel as it may sound, the people that chose to grow bud sort of accepted a risk from the very beginning and throughout all of these years. Sure, in a few cases it may result in people turning to a whole new line of work, but in most cases they did choose that industry after all. Growers have been making way more money than anyone else who grows legitimate crops to the point that they could have been much wealthier than an average farmer anyway. The quote above even states that the gentleman isn't ready to get out of the business partly due to greed. It's easy money for many of these people, barring those growing out of compassion for medicinal use. If the vote is a Yes, I won't necessarily feel sorry for those people. These growers should have been warned of what was to come when medicinal mj was legalized a few years back.
lwien
Well-Known Member
mattybass said:
Agree. I won't feel sorry for them either, and I also agree that the warning signs were out there and they should have had a "plan B" ready to go into effect. All I'm sayin' is that I understand their conflicted decision to vote no.
As Pappy said above, I don't agree with it but I understand it = empathy.
AGBeer
Lost in Thought
Fuck you big beer.
http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/16/big-alcohol-backs-no-on-prop-19-campaign/
The whole reason I started brewing my own beer in the first place is because you saturated (and ruined) what beer should be about.
But then again, Im really not surprised they are the ones spearheading this anti-pot movement.
http://blog.norml.org/2010/09/16/big-alcohol-backs-no-on-prop-19-campaign/
The whole reason I started brewing my own beer in the first place is because you saturated (and ruined) what beer should be about.
But then again, Im really not surprised they are the ones spearheading this anti-pot movement.
lwien
Well-Known Member
^^ Yup. Not surprised at all. It really is all about money. Alcohol companies against it because they feel it will feed upon their units sold. Same thing with pharma companies. Same thing with DEA employees concerned about their job security. Same thing with politicians who feel that their base is against it and they too want to maintain their job security.
I would imagine that there are very few, if any at all, that spend big bucks and lots of energy to defeat this bill, that truly feel that MJ has a negative effect on our society even though they use that as a reason for their actions.
I would imagine that there are very few, if any at all, that spend big bucks and lots of energy to defeat this bill, that truly feel that MJ has a negative effect on our society even though they use that as a reason for their actions.
rotax
Zaporist
Beezleb said:
I also don't think its an end all to growers tbh.
But can see the possible effects of it as well.
If done right, there could be a "farmers market" like setup for MJ.
Online stores will be a simple way for small shops to setup too. (Continuing along the idea that the rest of the country legalizes...)
But yes, its probably much more of a nuisance from their current setup; Grow herb, harvest herb, get cash for herb. Rinse, repeat. Its actually how I'd prefer society..but alas that will probably not be in my lifetime.
Yes on 19, but as politics have shown, the individuals don't make a difference in this country. The piles n piles of cash you throw into the fire is what makes change...