How to obtain substantial amounts of ABV?

I'm interested in getting good sources for ABV. I'm most interested in ABV from moderate THCV strains like Durban poison or Willie Nelson that has been vaped at under 200C.

As a general rule, folks that are vaping are not doing so at 220C, which is the temperature needed to vape THCV.

I'm not sure what the legal issues around this this are. I lived in washington where legal possession is somewhat limited. I'm hoping it might be legal to trade bud for ABV at some kind of fair ration. I'm thinking it might require the same kind of license used to processing cannabis to be nice and legal.

My idea here is to run the ABV though the same process used to make FECO minus decarbing it and then testing the extract for THCV/THC ratio.

I'd be interested in hearing folks ideas on this.

Better get vaping then.

Yup. Get your vape on. I been storing mine for over 3 years now in an air tight container. Still not sure what to do with it or how to make it into something haha

I used to save mine, then the cabinet got too full of Ball jars, so now it goes in the trash. I have soooooo much of it. But it's definitely not vaped at the temp you want, and I'm in a non-legal state so I have no idea what the strains are. On occasion I hear the name of what is around, but not often.

I thought the whole story around THCV was more of an urban legend and mostly debunked by some research, but maybe I'm wrong... ?

Interesting this is another potential use for my ABV. I vape mostly top shelf strains at 170.
FECO sounds interesting. Would washing it work with this method?

KeroZen said:

I thought the whole story around THCV was more of an urban legend and mostly debunked by some research, but maybe I'm wrong... ?

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THCV exists. There are some labs that test for it.

California has two venders medi-sol and California cannabinoids that are selling products with a THCV to THC ratio of over 1 to 2. Those are both medical products. In the Northwest one will be lucky to find a strain with 1 to 15 THCV to THC.

However, there are a lot of things that are unknown about how well THCV works and what needs to get with THCV to get desired effects.

hans solo said:

Interesting this is another potential use for my ABV. I vape mostly top shelf strains at 170.
FECO sounds interesting. Would washing it work with this method?

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I think The FECO extraction process should work fine.

However, I'd look at getting the final product tested. I've seen one at home test that is $5.00/test.

Why not take some of your fresh bud and decarb it repeatedly?

You could test at various time/temp combos to attempt to maximize THCV (if that is what you are looking for).

cascades said:

THCV exists. There are some labs that test for it.

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Not questioning its existence, but the study I remember reading put into question the alleged effects and usefulness. It was thought to be what made some landraces highly psychoactive and almost hallucinogenic, and that was the part that could be only a urban legend (UV light exposition is likely to have more impact on that front)

What is FECO?

what effects are you wishing to achieve that your willing to trade good bud for abv?

Decarbing covers THCA to THC or CBDA to CBD. It does not make more THCV.

sickmanfraud said:

Why not take some of your fresh bud and decarb it repeatedly?

You could test at various time/temp combos to attempt to maximize THCV (if that is what you are looking for).

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sickmanfraud said:

Why not take some of your fresh bud and decarb it repeatedly?

You could test at various time/temp combos to attempt to maximize THCV (if that is what you are looking for).

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HD Springer said:

what effects are you wishing to achieve that your willing to trade good bud for abv?

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THCV has been claimed to have an appetite suppression effect and an effect of helping reduce insulin resistance.

There is a lot of work to be done:higher THCV strains are not readily available.

I've used Durban poison, but that generally has a 10-1 or 20-1 THC/THCV ratio(sometimes much worse)

I feel like I've noticed an effect here, but it was hugely batch dependent. I'm giving this another shot because I have seen a test kit that estimates THCV levels which sidesteps some important issues.

i think that in the past, THCV levels were higher, but that got bred out in the quest for more THC.

Now that is an interesting effect I’d not heard of.

This isn’t what you’re asking for I know, but there are several strains listed with their potential benefit for diabetics. You could also look into strains that were patented by Durban poison, I read I believe that Cherry Pie was an offspring of Durban and perhaps it would have adequate thcv.

cascades said:

THCV has been claimed to have an appetite suppression effect and an effect of helping reduce insulin resistance.

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I vape Durban Poison in small amounts throughout the day. It provides a clear headed energy to help me through my chores and has the wonderful benefit of suppressing my appetite. The come down is very smooth as well with no perceptible crash.

THCV is found in the original landrace varieties.

Durban Poison is my favorite.

One important thing to get:
you either need to vape at 220C to ingest the the THCV or make ediblles/tinctures. THCV has a 220C vaporization point, which is rather higher than THC.

Durban Poison is nice all by itself. However, I think you may notice some stronger medicinal effects if you get a high CDB strain in the mix. The clinical trials being run in this area are using a CBD/THCV tincture.

I think that having some edibles or a tincture in the mix might have value. One of the theories on how cannabis helps manage obesity is that cannabis helps normalize gut bacteria. I think more of that might happen with an oral dose. There are also receptors in the gut itself.

Squiby said:

I vape Durban Poison in small amounts throughout the day. It provides a clear headed energy to help me through my chores and has the wonderful benefit of suppressing my appetite. The come down is very smooth as well with no perceptible crash.

THCV is found in the original landrace varieties.

Durban Poison is my favorite.

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THCV is an up and coming thing. I am diabetic so I keep bugging the Pharms to develop high THCV strains. There is one called Doug's Varin (~ 15% THCV) that was bred to produce lots of THCV. One can get the seeds, but maybe it is hard to grow????? Also Pineapple Purps. Anyway, at the present time, if you want to experiment with THCV concentrations higher than Durban Poison (~ 1%), I think you have to grow your own.

cascades said:

My idea here is to run the ABV though the same process used to make FECO minus decarbing it and then testing the extract for THCV/THC ratio.

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Anyway, it appears the original subject of this thread got hijacked. It is highly likely that ABV has a higher percentage content of THCV than THC due to the former's high boiling point.

Cool article on health benefits of THCV:

https://farmvictoria.com/tetrahydrocannabivarin-thcv/

A simple way to test your theory is to invest $50 in a TLC cannabis test kit. It is not real precise, but precise enough for your purposes. The nice thing about it is that it measures ALL the cannabinoids in one test.

Also, the first step of the TLC test is to use a solvent to extract the cannabinoids from a small pinch of your starting material. So you do not have to worry about doing any time-consuming FECO before you can run your test.

There are two things you need to figure out: (1) THCV/THC ratio, and (2) actual gross THCV content. The ratio may be higher, but the gross weight of THCV in the ABV may not be worth the effort of recovery.

If you do decide to recover it, I would not use FECO, which is an alcohol based extraction. It's a pretty strong solvent and it dissolves everything in sight, including a lot of stuff you'll have to get rid of later if you want anything other than a tincture. Another concern is that nobody really knows WTF strange chemicals are in ABV anyway. It sure doesn't look or smell like bud. Whatever those chemicals may be, chances are alcohol will dissolve most of them and possibly add a lot of unwanted garbage to your extract.

I would start with a squish extraction at high temperature and pressure. You can use a clothes iron and weight it down with books or something.

Then I would suggest you winterize it to get rid of waxes and other crud. If you winterize it, and no crud precipitates out, then you don't need to do that in the future.

Then run another TLC test on your extract to see what your final THCV/THC ratio is.

Oh, and don't forget to vape it!

THCV vape sticks are coming in Nov 2018:

https://www.californiacannabinoids.com/

Might be worth a trip to California, LOL.