Square4Life
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I tried searching but I guess I used the wrong search terms...what is the rough estimate capacity for flower?
Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer
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Seems to be around 0.4-0.5gr depending on how fine a grind and how tamped down you have it. I regularly fit 0.3gr in it with room yet. It's a fucking monster
muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
That piece I posted with my stubby yesterday is pretty small... 7in total. Can is maybe 4 inches total
yup. exactly what I see, but the rig is milky the enitre time. of course.
i think vapor is denser with big rigs because you can "shotgun" all the vapor when you clear it. with small rigs, some of the vapor is constantly cycling into lungs and getting absorbed so it's thinner.
also speculation but... I've tried bigger rigs and this small one... even in big cans, some of the vapor goes into your lungs during pull also (maybe?)
I just got the fab egg on newvapes site today and I'll probably use this as my main flower rig, recycler for my oil/Doubledecker rig.
yup. exactly what I see, but the rig is milky the enitre time. of course.
i think vapor is denser with big rigs because you can "shotgun" all the vapor when you clear it. with small rigs, some of the vapor is constantly cycling into lungs and getting absorbed so it's thinner.
also speculation but... I've tried bigger rigs and this small one... even in big cans, some of the vapor goes into your lungs during pull also (maybe?)
I just got the fab egg on newvapes site today and I'll probably use this as my main flower rig, recycler for my oil/Doubledecker rig.
Danksta
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If you can use a Fab Egg I suggest trying it. It's night and day different from the smaller oil rigs.
I guess I just have big lungs and am old school enough to want a huge rip from a large can. I get bigger clouds because I'm taking the big hit at once and not long and drawn out.
I'm happy you guys are satisfied with the oil rigs of that size. I just don't get it and I think they are holding back the real potential the FP has.
If a glass blower came up with a FP FC approved bong I'd be all over that. I might grab a FTK as the size is similar to the egg.
I still want to see comparison videos w. the EVO (why is that so wrong to ask?). Let's not cloud our minds with bias simply because we bought this toy and love it. There is still work to do IMO. I can't afford to buy one to run my own tests. I come here for the vets opinions.
I guess I just have big lungs and am old school enough to want a huge rip from a large can. I get bigger clouds because I'm taking the big hit at once and not long and drawn out.
I'm happy you guys are satisfied with the oil rigs of that size. I just don't get it and I think they are holding back the real potential the FP has.
If a glass blower came up with a FP FC approved bong I'd be all over that. I might grab a FTK as the size is similar to the egg.
I still want to see comparison videos w. the EVO (why is that so wrong to ask?). Let's not cloud our minds with bias simply because we bought this toy and love it. There is still work to do IMO. I can't afford to buy one to run my own tests. I come here for the vets opinions.
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@Danksta I have a dhgate mobius clone coming that has a bit more of a can from my recycler and I am very excited to try it! I am not really thinking it's going to give me more vapor though unless there's something to do with the pressure the percolator is creating which ramps up the temps/etc, compared to my lil recycler. I'm all about comparisons with all devices! I am not worried the FP won't impress, I think a lot of it has to do with the mindset at the time too. I had my step-son try the enail and the very first words out of his mouth, even before the vapor was exhaled was "I dont like it". Oddly enough, every time he comes over to the house he wants to use it. Draw your own conclusions!
Danksta
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@psychonaut We all like things different. That's one of the coolest parts about this hobby, so many options and opinions.
I think the perc on the fab egg is why it functions so well with the FP.
The perc + larger can is what I seem to like.
I think the perc on the fab egg is why it functions so well with the FP.
The perc + larger can is what I seem to like.
I still consider a fab egg a small oil rig. Are you using the 8" or 9" one? I'm surprised you're having trouble milking big tubes with the FP though if you have big lungs. I don't find I have to milk any slower than if I was doing a combustion snap from the same sized tube. I don't think you're gonna whitewall a 18" beaker with vapor with the PID set to 550F though. What temps were you using?
Personally I can hit my CCG SOL rig like twice as long as my big beaker before running out of breath though. It's a lot easier to chirp.
muunch
hotboxing the cockpit
The Newvape fab egg is 11in
https://www.newvape.com/eggosphere
very good flavor and awesome as hell design
https://www.newvape.com/eggosphere
very good flavor and awesome as hell design
Danksta
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9" @ 525 the ball fills up very very nice. I think the perc is a big factor, but add the larger can and you have a great combo.
The tube works. That is what I used Day 1 and it's not terrible. Maybe I used too strong of language. But once I hit the Fab Egg there was no going back. It's like a waste of flower to me.
We tried this beaker tube last night and I could think was well that sucked and what a waste of good flower.
Even the Jetline which worked best I felt was holding us back.
The Newvape fab egg is 11in
https://www.newvape.com/eggosphere
very good flavor and awesome as hell design
That's the other point I forgot to make. The larger can will concentrate the terps more and give you more flavor. What else do I need to say?
Very briefly back to the old debate about holding vapor and absortption levels-I have considered myself that with a smaller rig the majority of the vapor spends a very long time inside your lungs while you continue inhaling. I for one do subscribe to the belief that holding vapor longer, to a point, greatly increases the effects, for me at least.
One counter argument to this, and the birth of the re-breathing technique philosophy, is that after your lungs are out of oxygen no more absorption can take place.
Also I think that for only a certain amount of time can actives be absorbed (up to 10 seconds I think- which is the longest I would ever try to hold a hit anyway.)
So to me it makes sense that with a small rig very long draw, and vapor filling the lungs immediately, as you continue to take in air and oxygen, would increase absorption levels.
In fact, in this scenario, there would be no need to hold the hit at the end anyway since most of it has been inside you for a good while, and you are gonna be bursting to exhale at times.
But then there may actually be more of a "hit" when you take in 80% plus of it in a second. It would be like taking 10 mg of MDMA every 30 seconds for 10 minutes, as a pose to 200 mg at once.
The way it comes on would actually be noticeably different, with a morr instant and sudden pronounced come up.
Everything is different for different folks. Some people may just prefer one particular type of hit or feeling to another. Could be just an individual thing? Im keeping open to all sides of this though.
One counter argument to this, and the birth of the re-breathing technique philosophy, is that after your lungs are out of oxygen no more absorption can take place.
Also I think that for only a certain amount of time can actives be absorbed (up to 10 seconds I think- which is the longest I would ever try to hold a hit anyway.)
So to me it makes sense that with a small rig very long draw, and vapor filling the lungs immediately, as you continue to take in air and oxygen, would increase absorption levels.
In fact, in this scenario, there would be no need to hold the hit at the end anyway since most of it has been inside you for a good while, and you are gonna be bursting to exhale at times.
But then there may actually be more of a "hit" when you take in 80% plus of it in a second. It would be like taking 10 mg of MDMA every 30 seconds for 10 minutes, as a pose to 200 mg at once.
The way it comes on would actually be noticeably different, with a morr instant and sudden pronounced come up.
Everything is different for different folks. Some people may just prefer one particular type of hit or feeling to another. Could be just an individual thing? Im keeping open to all sides of this though.
Danksta
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The FP didn't get me as medicated last night because those rigs held us back. The Fab Egg one big it gets me waaaaaay more medicated.
I really feel we wasted flower last night
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EXACTLY. You don't take a dose titrated over the night, you take it all at once and get medicated. THANK YOU FOR THAT ANALOGY.
I think preference has a lot to do with it, but the science part is interesting. We have a lot of different FP owners here all with different rigs and similar results. I guess I'm just skeptical without knowing the science behind it, but I think the bioessay speaks the truth for each of us so listen to THAT above all!
lazylathe
Almost there...
@Danksta
This is the rig i tried a few days ago:
And this was the hit:
This has been my DD for the last year or two, no other WT i have owned has lasted this long as a DD!
And this is a hits from it! Maybe 12 hole diffuser and that is it! Can is 9 inches tall and around 2 inches in diameter. The experience is totally different to the smaller WT.
My FP is always set at the same temp or noted in the video description. Herb used is all similar quality.
I get what you are saying as i experience it as well! Guess we are crazy together!
Our weed must be better...
This is the rig i tried a few days ago:
And this was the hit:
This has been my DD for the last year or two, no other WT i have owned has lasted this long as a DD!
And this is a hits from it! Maybe 12 hole diffuser and that is it! Can is 9 inches tall and around 2 inches in diameter. The experience is totally different to the smaller WT.
My FP is always set at the same temp or noted in the video description. Herb used is all similar quality.
I get what you are saying as i experience it as well! Guess we are crazy together!
Our weed must be better...
Danksta
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@Danksta
This is the rig i tried a few days ago:
And this was the hit:
This has been my DD for the last year or two, no other WT i have owned has lasted this long as a DD!
And this is a hits from it! Maybe 12 hole diffuser and that is it! Can is 9 inches tall and around 2 inches in diameter. The experience is totally different to the smaller WT.
My FP is always set at the same temp or noted in the video description. Herb used is all similar quality.
I get what you are saying as i experience it as well! Guess we are crazy together!
Our weed must be better...
That looked good, similar to the Jetline we used. But like @Alexis said a good bit of that vapor has been absorbed during your draw. A larger can would give you a bigger hit at ONCE.
I feel experience is the only way to understand this. I can try to make a video but I am not sure it will do much to illustrate my point.
That perc is similar to mine and I think that is a big factor.
no heat? just drops and stir?
Sorry I left out a few steps, I do a very similar process to @Justpassedu except I use ziplock baggies and syringes. I submerge the baggied distillate syringe in a very hot water bath to warm the distillate up so I can plunge it through (about 5-10 mins). I use an empty syringe that I will plunge about 1/4 of the gram into, then put in the 2-3 drops of terps, then the remainder 3/4 gram of distillate on top of the terps, then plunge that into an empty syringe. I then plunge the terp infused distillate sauce a couple of times back and fourth between empty syringes. It seems quite well mixed at that point.
EDIT: I have had the worst luck with really dry crumble wax. I dont suggest to use that at all unless you plan to use a lot of terpenes.
Just like @biohacker I really LOVE that bubbler!! Want one. Well jel blood trust!@Danksta
This is the rig i tried a few days ago:
And this was the hit:
This has been my DD for the last year or two, no other WT i have owned has lasted this long as a DD!
And this is a hits from it! Maybe 12 hole diffuser and that is it! Can is 9 inches tall and around 2 inches in diameter. The experience is totally different to the smaller WT.
My FP is always set at the same temp or noted in the video description. Herb used is all similar quality.
I get what you are saying as i experience it as well! Guess we are crazy together!
Our weed must be better...
Costly bubbler though brand new. Reminding me of which- Biohacker commented in the Herborizer thread how he knows 2 people who sold the Ti in favour of the XL.
I explained that this wasn't exactly the case with me, I just couldnt tolerate the Ti as well at the time so I moved on. I definitely prefer the Ti. The effect is so much better, just a stronger, fuller buzz.
But in your own case, I am sure it simply because the XL came with that bubbler you will certainly want to keep hold of. If the XL had come with a different bubbler you dont use much, maybe you might have considered selling it and holding on to the Ti?
Or sell them both. With the FP and GS (and others) they would surely not be missed, seeing as the Ti is quite similar to the Flowerpot, which you just like more. So I would understand that.
And I can't exactly see you going out of your way to list the XL heating element and bowl in the classifieds.
Speaking of which- you use the XL/ROOR bowl with the GS as well don't you? So that is double the reason to keep the XL over the Ti, not because it is "better" as such.
Main point- that bubbler is AWSOME!
As many things as I've ordered on DHgate including glass pieces, it's amazing more dont come broken! I haven't had a single issue yet. I'd say it's rare but it may be seller dependant
can't this be our little secret?
Chicken #420
I and I be Irie Vaping with U and U in Zion, mon!
Folks,
I've just finished reading the last 3 pages, including much talk about rig size and how it affects FlowerPot usage.
I personally have over 3 dozen glass pieces. I have used ALL of them with my FlowerPots. They range from tiny J-Hooks and bubblers all the way up to a 3 foot long fat can (75mm) monster floor bong from Amsterdam. While it is true that some rigs seem to "make vapors" a little better than others (mostly due to the diffuser configuration combined with chamber size, I think!), for the most part it's a wash.
I can say that my personal experience is that the FlowerPot works very well with almost any glass piece you hook to it. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a single pipe in my collection that I would not run again with the FP... though a few might need a tweek or two in the temp. department for optimal results, and others need adapters or whips to relocate the bowl because of FlowerPot head size and heat concerns.
I'll continue to read about this issue with great interest!
P.S. My favorite FlowerPot rig for "Daily Driving" is a TaG 12" superslit matrix diffuser bent neck. Fat can bent neck rigs and larger sidecars seem to have just the right internal volume and ergonomics for my preferences!
https://www.thickassglass.com/collections/water-pipes-101-150/products/tag-bent-neck-matrix-diffuser
I've just finished reading the last 3 pages, including much talk about rig size and how it affects FlowerPot usage.
I personally have over 3 dozen glass pieces. I have used ALL of them with my FlowerPots. They range from tiny J-Hooks and bubblers all the way up to a 3 foot long fat can (75mm) monster floor bong from Amsterdam. While it is true that some rigs seem to "make vapors" a little better than others (mostly due to the diffuser configuration combined with chamber size, I think!), for the most part it's a wash.
I can say that my personal experience is that the FlowerPot works very well with almost any glass piece you hook to it. I cannot, off the top of my head, think of a single pipe in my collection that I would not run again with the FP... though a few might need a tweek or two in the temp. department for optimal results, and others need adapters or whips to relocate the bowl because of FlowerPot head size and heat concerns.
I'll continue to read about this issue with great interest!
P.S. My favorite FlowerPot rig for "Daily Driving" is a TaG 12" superslit matrix diffuser bent neck. Fat can bent neck rigs and larger sidecars seem to have just the right internal volume and ergonomics for my preferences!
https://www.thickassglass.com/collections/water-pipes-101-150/products/tag-bent-neck-matrix-diffuser
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@Danksta you might like this 12" straight fab https://www.dhgate.com/product/12-i...s-oil/402029338.html#s1-0-1b;searl|0753765218
I was gonna get that one but I already bought a 14mm bowl so I went with the 9" version.
I was gonna get that one but I already bought a 14mm bowl so I went with the 9" version.
Square4Life
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Would there be any reason one would recommend the 18mm Male over the 14mm Male? I understand it's a matter of glass compatibility although if it'd be better to buy an 18mm Male and then convert for my 14mm pieces...I'd rather do that. Guess I'm curious if the internal diameter of the 18 is bigger than the 14 or if it is just the outer diameter being the difference.
Also, for being a primarily flower user, would the "FlowerPot w/ Showerhead Starter Kit" be my best option to get into the FP world?
TIA!
Also, for being a primarily flower user, would the "FlowerPot w/ Showerhead Starter Kit" be my best option to get into the FP world?
TIA!
squigger
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Folks,
I personally have over 3 dozen glass pieces. I have used ALL of them with my FlowerPots.
P.S. My favorite FlowerPot rig for "Daily Driving" is a TaG 12" superslit matrix diffuser bent neck. Fat can bent neck rigs and larger sidecars seem to have just the right internal volume for my preferences!
https://www.thickassglass.com/collections/water-pipes-101-150/products/tag-bent-neck-matrix-diffuser
Have you ever used a ccg seed of life piece?
@Danksta I have a dhgate mobius clone coming that has a bit more of a can from my recycler and I am very excited to try it! I am not really thinking it's going to give me more vapor though unless there's something to do with the pressure the percolator is creating which ramps up the temps/etc, compared to my lil recycler. I'm all about comparisons with all devices! I am not worried the FP won't impress, I think a lot of it has to do with the mindset at the time too. I had my step-son try the enail and the very first words out of his mouth, even before the vapor was exhaled was "I dont like it". Oddly enough, every time he comes over to the house he wants to use it. Draw your own conclusions!
this piece had been our standard FP recommendation and is the same one we sell without the logo and it works great with the flowerpot. The height of the current 18mm flowerpot bowl is designed around how deep this glass joint is on this rig. There's also more blowback on this one. Please ask for no LOGO
However there is another one I like better and just placed a big order for upcoming holiday.
Puts the nail further away from the face. And has a thicker 18mm band around the joint. IMO it's the ideal FP beater rig. It will be our new recommendation.
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https://www.dhgate.com/product/adva...cinfo=2,null,6#vhmd-6-5|null:null:r1753630610
It would be a lot easier to get a 14mm bowl and a 18-14mm reducer for your 18mm pieces than do the opposite, just because going from 14mm to 18mm will be clunky. Personally I'm not really a fan of reducers and adapters at all but I'm kinda minimalist. A drop down would work too but it depends on the glass you're using. I think that Showerhead kit would be fantastic and pretty much covers the basics. If you have a lot of glass in both sizes I would probably just get both bowls to make it easy.