The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[VapingYogi]

has anyone had issues removing the mouthpiece from the stem? it’s been very difficult on the tempest i received for both installing and removing.

it's intentionally tighter than the Revolve as its made to be able to take the force of pulling the Tempest out by the mouthpiece when in the Leather Case (& magnet) that's coming with the release version

a lil lube will help the orings slide in and out.. not too much just a film will do wonders for your issue.

you don't need to, after a few times pulling it in and out... damn that's dirty.... anyway after a little time it softens a little and is easier to do without loosing the strength it needs in the case

am going to blame the batteries for now. I don't think any of them are unused at this point. I have 2 sets of Molicel 28s on order and we will see how they do. They are the most powerful 18650s I have used and last the longest before needing to change in my other vapes.

I stopped counting at 22 heats on my Samsung 3500mah, I will count the P28s I just put in overnight tonight

I use two pairs of new Molicel P28 for the record. Should count the heatings i get out of fresh charge but the indicator goes down to 1 bar during first cycle but "recovers" after. Brenyo said he gets 15 cycles out of a charge but like i said i didn't count yet.

Every time I use the batteries (any really) I start the Wand and put the Tempest in and the amount of battery remaining starts at full, then the wand recalculates the draw at about 2 or 4 blinks and then the "amount remaining" starts to jump around a bit.

I checked the Apsire batteries (mine are technically new) and I got 18 reheats off them, I tried the Samsung and got bored and stopped counting at 22 (because no one else has these that I can compare against) so I have the P28's in and am counting them tonight, my P28s are 2 weeks old (or thats when I got them)

The battery remaining indicator on the Wand, is configured based on the power drawn when using the Aspire Banger's, the Dynas have a similar draw (I have read that the DV's draw anywhere from 35-45W), the Tempest uses like 2x the energy (@Brenyo mentioned about 100W), the Wand software isn't really designed to handle that draw which is why the "amount remaining" is unreliable.)

Was hitting at 5F at night time when I went to look at stars and it was ridiculously chill with above setup, looking forward to wood though!

its 41c today (105f ish).....

Reheats actually might not be a valid count today as its so hot

Edit: I’m really enjoying going hands free with the helix tube, no SCU, a “fat mouth piece”, and a 2/3 open cap airflow.

 

[666Honeybadger]

but I hope they have played with it a bit in advance, last I talked to Troy he still hadn't "touched it yet" and that was a week ago....

I also noticed that there was a lot of burnt bowls in the stream.

I didn't see the stream but reading your posts (that he possibly didn't touch it before) made me fear that there was going to be combustion involved.
It can be crucial to the experience to be mindfull at first use and to get "in sync" with a new device before putting it thru the test and especially now (with the indicator and click discs being unfinished) it's essential to first dial it in a bit so you know how to heat it right without combusting.

Again, i didn't see it but if they just had a first go at it during a live stream it's not the best publicity imo.
I've had it a week now and only had one bowl that was catching combustion but since i am still dialing it in i noticed the combustion before i vaped it. Consequently i lowered the Wand settings and tweaked the position of the insert (like @Brenyo said a small change (less than a mm) can make a huge difference) and haven't combusted since.

Maybe when the clickers and the VI are calibrated one could just vape away out of the box but for now i think it needs/deserves/wants a bit of prudence during heating. With the wand it simply needs the insert to be in perfect position for consistent, repeatable results, so some dialing in is essential with wand too.

So yeah, if they were just using it unprepared, while getting high during a live steam i have to say i am not surprised that there was combustion. Which is a pity because the Tempest deserves much better/more prepared reviewing imo.

 

[RedZep]

@RedZep do you have a mesh ball screen? I just saw it on T&J and I have a more solid metal screen so was just wondering which you had. I also noticed that there was a lot of burnt bowls in the stream.

Yeah mine is mesh. I haven't watched it yet. Can't believe Troy is burning the bowls. It's like Anvil all over again. In 3 months I've only combusted once, and that was due to aiming torch really low and not knowing appropriate VI position.

He's entertaining, and he really knows his vapes. But he vapes like the god of hellfire sometimes.

 

[BushRanger]

@666Honeybadger Troy had been using Tempest before, so he was helping Jerry a lil... Jerry combusted cuz he reheated it, after trying to hit it with empty bowl for the 1st time...There was even Brenyo around in chat. But yes, it felt like a mindless show with them being too baked lol...oh well.

 

[VapingYogi]

Yeah mine is mesh. I haven't watched it yet. Can't believe Troy is burning the bowls. It's like Anvil all over again. In 3 months I've only combusted once, and that was due to aiming torch really low and not knowing appropriate VI position.

I've combusted MUCH more than once... once a night maybe? maybe more.... but I am running back to back bowls with no heat gauge / control in 40c temps. I forgive myself the occasional scorched bowl.

I am currently testing batteries in the wand, I am at 12 back to back bowels to test the Molicel P28A, still going strong but its damn hard to get the temp right when you can't hold the Tempest and nothing cools down in this heat.. the last bowl (12th) was scorched so I have to wait until it cools down - which is why I am here....

Question : does anyone have a reliable way to cool the Tempest? Magnets are not really a solution to use as a heat sink, most of the magnets I have used (except the reload and ones embeddied in wood) have actually had the glue melt. The best cooling solution I have is one of my marble candle holder's, which is cool (literally) but not ideal, its a chunk a stone...

I am going to go back to back to back bowls.

I didn't see the stream but reading your posts (that he possibly didn't touch it before) made me fear that there was going to be combustion involved.
It can be crucial to the experience to be mindfull at first use and to get "in sync" with a new device before putting it thru the test and especially now (with the indicator and click discs being unfinished) it's essential to first dial it in a bit so you know how to heat it right without combusting.

He does a "unboxing" so I don't believe that he had used it before as such and that goes with what he told me as well. Now its a good first impression as people are going to be doing there own unboxing and trying it for the first time so the knowledge base that Brenyo is putting together and the manual is going to be important to give new users a few reliable techniques to use to get started.

I haven't had the chance to play with the VI and Clicks and stuff and am waiting for the release, I have spent weeks getting my timing down, I don't believe that just the clicks and VI alone are a replacement for experiance - straight out of the box the reviews are mixed, we have many "OMG that was amazing" moments and many "I combusted" moments when you look back through the thread. I think the unboxing would have made sense for a final release / pre-release with working temp controls.

@666Honeybadger Troy had been using Tempest before, so he was helping Jerry a lil... Jerry combusted cuz he reheated it, after trying to hit it with empty bowl for the 1st time...There was even Brenyo around in chat. But yes, it felt like a mindless show while being too baked lol...oh well.

Exactly... Its taken me a while to get back to back working and I just burnt my 12th bowl so... straight out of the box, trying to reheat / or do back to back, that's hard.


And this is TOTALLY what I was thinking...

Maybe when the clickers and the VI are calibrated one could just vape away out of the box but for now i think it needs/deserves/wants a bit of prudence during heating. With the wand it simply needs the insert to be in perfect position for consistent, repeatable results, so some dialing in is essential with wand too.

Eh, maybe I will put together some more videos n stuff of how it can work....

 

[Brenyo]

It’s hard counting these tiny things but it seems around 80

There should be around 85pcs or 4.4g in the latest batch, level with the bottom of the ball screen threading.

 

[RedZep]

I've combusted MUCH more than once... once a night maybe? maybe more.... but I am running back to back bowls with no heat gauge / control in 40c temps. I forgive myself the occasional scorched bowl.

I am currently testing batteries in the wand, I am at 12 back to back bowels to test the Molicel P28A, still going strong but its damn hard to get the temp right when you can't hold the Tempest and nothing cools down in this heat.. the last bowl (12th) was scorched so I have to wait until it cools down - which is why I am here....

Question : does anyone have a reliable way to cool the Tempest? Magnets are not really a solution to use as a heat sink, most of the magnets I have used (except the reload and ones embeddied in wood) have actually had the glue melt. The best cooling solution I have is one of my marble candle holder's, which is cool (literally) but not ideal, its a chunk a stone...

I am going to go back to back to back bowls.


He does a "unboxing" so I don't believe that he had used it before as such and that goes with what he told me as well. Now its a good first impression as people are going to be doing there own unboxing and trying it for the first time so the knowledge base that Brenyo is putting together and the manual is going to be important to give new users a few reliable techniques to use to get started.

I haven't had the chance to play with the VI and Clicks and stuff and am waiting for the release, I have spent weeks getting my timing down, I don't believe that just the clicks and VI alone are a replacement for experiance - straight out of the box the reviews are mixed, we have many "OMG that was amazing" moments and many "I combusted" moments when you look back through the thread. I think the unboxing would have made sense for a final release / pre-release with working temp controls.


Exactly... Its taken me a while to get back to back working and I just burnt my 12th bowl so... straight out of the box, trying to reheat / or do back to back, that's hard.


And this is TOTALLY what I was thinking...


Eh, maybe I will put together some more videos n stuff of how it can work....

I wouldn't mind the unboxing, first attempt videos, if he followed up with a proper review/preview after he learned to use the vape. I think it's a bit disrespectful to their viewers who might use their videos to inform purchases.

 

[666Honeybadger]

Just tried a little tempstepping. Turned the wand down to 215c (instead of my usual 310c).
Nice clouds (actually bigger and more than i anticipated), really great taste, smooth vapor (and i'm running the direct tube atm), heat retention time felt about the same.
Let it cool down and for the first time went for reheating a bowl. (herb was light golden after first cycle)
Wand back to 300c, until timeout.

Wow, i got pretty decent clouds for this second round! Not as dense as normally but still tasty and quite some hits!
Nice and even brown ABV!
Not a bad result for a first try! Finishing a bowl in one heating is a breeze but spreading it out in two sessions for an extra long stay at flavour town also seems pretty easy to tune in!
The Tempest continues to amaze me!

 

[Jojofernz]

There should be around 85pcs or 4.4g in the latest batch, level with the bottom of the ball screen threading.

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

I think I have them all after a couple re counts and I got them back in. Screen was a bit finicky but it seems I got it in place enough to not move even when shaking it pretty good. Fired up a couple test bowls after some dry ones and I’m back in business!

Love this thing! Thanks for all you’ve done here!

 

[Feyd2blak]

Question : does anyone have a reliable way to cool the Tempest? Magnets are not really a solution to use as a heat sink, most of the magnets I have used (except the reload and ones embeddied in wood) have actually had the glue melt. The best cooling solution I have is one of my marble candle holder's, which is cool (literally) but not ideal, its a chunk a stone...

I am going to go back to back to back bowl

I'm using a heat sink from scruffywoofer on Etsy, bought for the dynavap AC but fits the tempest nicely. Cool down clicks take forever on the reload lid, not timed it but feels like 10 minutes some times. The heat sink is almost immediate, really effective, I'll try and post some pictures later.

Also watched the t&j show, well a little bit, agree if your going to review something learn how it works first. Did love him comparing it to a light sabre though!

 

[RedZep]

I'm using a heat sink from scruffywoofer on Etsy, bought for the dynavap AC but fits the tempest nicely. Cool down clicks take forever on the reload lid, not timed it but feels like 10 minutes some times. The heat sink is almost immediate, really effective, I'll try and post some pictures later.

Also watched the t&j show, well a little bit, agree if your going to review something learn how it works first. Did love him comparing it to a light sabre though!

Troy used to make a lot more reviews on his 420vapezone site. He did it really professionally. He is actually a very talented reviewer.

The ThinkDank content is a lot more unfocussed. It's more of a casual hang out with vape talk/use. I think the two dovetailed perfectly. You got the introduction/unboxing/first use in think dank, but then he would follow up with a quality detailed review on 420.

Problem is now he is not keeping up with that detailed review content imo. So some vapes just get the casual fumbling first attempt content, which can give an inaccurate impression of the vape.

 

[VapingYogi]

Troy used to make a lot more reviews on his 420vapezone site. He did it really professionally. He is actually a very talented reviewer.

I found these channels about 8 weeks ago, I'll just say I don't understand the choices, I expect an unboxing of the Venty if that makes sense. I just liked seeing the comments.

 

[Shorner]

Vape X life needs a Tempest...he's the best reviewer imo.

 

[TedJones]

Curious on how the finalized click discs will work. It’d be awesome if it clicked right around the second mark, so you could let off then for a lighter roast, or go farther some seconds. Focusing on the flame & the VI a bit challenging at first, ha!

 

[leanpubpackage]

i think the T&J episode accurately reflects the learning curve of the tempest...and exposes the guesswork during reheats as I mentioned before.

side note, I set my glass adapter pretty deep in the wand so that the coils hit as much of the induction part of the head as possible. The glass protrudes, and gets really hot so I rest the wand on a cork mat during heat up. I find this to works better than Brenyo's recommended setting (485F to time out gives me a nice dark roast) and on plus side, the depth works perfectly with the anvil.

I don't care for the clicker and have removed it from my head. Likely will not purchase the finalized calibrated disc

still loving the tempest and I think it perfectly complements the anvil

 

[VapingYogi]

I was trying to count the number of heating cycles I get in the Wand using Molicel P28A and the Tempest.... I sadly lost count at 24 cycles...

I have battery left... I just finished a cycle... which was I think 3 in a row... I emptied a bowl, refilled and went to heat and then realised the pen and paper I was recording the count on... is sitting on the table... I did maybe 2 or 3 cycles before I remembered the pen and paper....

i think the T&J episode accurately reflects the learning curve of the tempest...and exposes the guesswork during reheats as I mentioned before.

Agreed

 

[Jojofernz]

Is there supposed to be two clicks on heat up or just one heat up click and one cool down click?

I only notice one click on mine, when it hits the first visual indicator mark. Then a cool down click when it gets all the way back to starting position

 

[VapingYogi]

Is there supposed to be two clicks on heat up or just one heat up click and one cool down click?

I only notice one click on mine, when it hits the first visual indicator mark. Then a cool down click when it gets all the way back to starting position

final version is going to have 2 clicks based on the manual

 

[Jojofernz]

final version is going to have 2 clicks based on the manual

Thank you! I thought that’s what I saw, couldn’t find it in the manual initially and it’s a bit hard to dig through this thread sometimes with how big it is and how quick it moves haha

Cheers!

 

[Shorner]

side note, I set my glass adapter pretty deep in the wand so that the coils hit as much of the induction part of the head as possible. The glass protrudes, and gets really hot so I rest the wand on a cork mat during heat up. I find this to works better than Brenyo's recommended setting (485F to time out gives me a nice dark roast)

This is how i set mine too

 

[VapingYogi]

Curious on how the finalized click discs will work. It’d be awesome if it clicked right around the second mark, so you could let off then for a lighter roast, or go farther some seconds. Focusing on the flame & the VI a bit challenging at first, h

I'm curious where the indicator marks are going to fall in comparison to the click temps as you mention as the range is broad.

Indicator Range : Visual ~ 100°C - 240°C / 215°F - 465°F
Sound : 1st Click ~ 170°C / 320°F | 2nd Click ~ 210°C / 390°F

 

[Brenyo]

Curious on how the finalized click discs will work. It’d be awesome if it clicked right around the second mark, so you could let off then for a lighter roast, or go farther some seconds. Focusing on the flame & the VI a bit challenging at first, ha!

That’s the plan and it will click back sooner as well.

I set my glass adapter pretty deep in the wand so that the coils hit as much of the induction part of the head as possible. The glass protrudes, and gets really hot so I rest the wand on a cork mat during heat up. I find this to works better than Brenyo's recommended setting (485F to time out gives me a nice dark roast) and on plus side, the depth works perfectly with the anvil.

If the bottom of the glass cup is level with the red silicone the induction layer is right in the middle of the coil. If you push it further down it will be more conduction as it’s heating closer to the bowl. It can work well but overall there will be a bit less calories in the cap and the VI will lag behind more so you have to aim for the 2nd line instead of the 3rd for example.

You can push out the silicone more than the glass so it acts a stand during heat up

 

[Shorner]

Here's where I have my adapter set......Saturday afternoon cloud....direct tube with scu....stem airport closed....cap airport set half way....

 

[VapingYogi]

I might be a bit rough, but between last night and tonight, I managed to pushed the Wand adapter down lower in the wand...

Its bloody hot here so when I combusted at midday when it was 41c, I figured it was the ambient temp being so high and figured I just needed to decrease the temperature on the wand... I had decreased it by 30c before I realized I was being dumb and I checked the wand adapter depth... it was then I noticed I had pushed it down about 3mm deeper than I usually ran it... as soon as I moved it back I jumped back up to 300c and it was fine.

Just something for me to remember in the future I guess

 

[cybrguy]

I'm all but a battery specialist but i did read a couple of times that for vapes that use 2 batteries it is advised to use a "dedicated pair" of cells rather than just randomly taking some batteries from "the bunch". To avoid one battery being stressed more than the other due to difference in power/performance/decline.
This also implies that it's best to use new batteries when pairing them.
I figured this pairing to be pretty important in this case too since the Wand has to perform on high power levels so i made sure i'm using 4 new ones and i've marked them so they stay together.

The LG batteries I have tried were in pairs I had set up for use with ecig mods I fire Splinters with, but they are not brand new so they can't tell me much. Only that I am getting many fewer runs to a charge than you guys are with my Wand. The aspire batteries that came with the wand and I have been using with vapcaps for about a month are giving me fewer than 10 rounds .
I should have new Molicels by Monday or Tuesday and I can start with a better baseline.