The Tempest by Mad Heaters & Phatpiggie

[666Honeybadger]

Well.... Made a mistake last night.

Was keeping a couple of new strains to try out in the Tempest. Came home, cleaned the Tempest, pregrind three strains (Zamaldelica, Banana and Northern Light) to fill my newest member of my ever growing Reload family!
Reassembled Tempest, pushed screen to full bowl position
and loaded it up!
But in my enthusiasm i actually loaded from the bottom part of the reload (which is where i keep the 'heavy indica/stoney stuff) instead of from the top part (where i keep the high/heady stuff)
Wanted to give Zamaldelica a (first) try (100% Sativa) but unknowingly grabbed Northern Lights (100% indica) instead.

The first bowl was a bit too hot, hadn't dialed in the wand yet, so i didn't get the most flavour out of it.
Got clouds tho....
So i hit that bowl and was like: wtf? That's a bit heavy on the body. Why do i feel like laying down?
So did a second bowl on lower setting.
Better ABV, still on the dark site for my usual liking.
Again huge clouds, a bit more flavour but again: that really wasted me beyond expectation.

So i thought i'll go for some Banana instead (sativa dominant, middle part of the reload) and noticed i had been vaping heavy indica instead of enlightning sativa.... Well after a heavy workweek those two bowls left me pretty worthless for further evaluation.

Vaped a few more bowls dialing it in but soon suffered the inevitable sofa-crash...
So for now just some early (yet cloudy) thoughts:

-This is one AWESOME vape!!
-I love the tactile feel of it, great device to hold and to fiddle with the the spinning mouthpiece (which is pretty awesome with the bearing inside, spins so smooth and free! Aaaah, greatness!!
-It's so engenius!! Love the details!
-the VI is a stroke of genius!
-the clouds are amazing
-the versatility!!! Aaah, that versatility!!!
-it's one AWESOME vape! Easily lives up to the hype!

Had some obligations today but just got back.
Wand: charged!
Zamaldelica: CHECK! (and doublecheck!!)

Off to some testing!! For science ofcourse...

 

[cybrguy]

I remember in the early testing for the Zion that nobody believed what the beta testers were saying because it was so overwhelmingly positive. Then once some RBT vapes became available, people got it.
This is like that. The reviews are so overwhelmingly positive that they are hard to believe, but due to the number of folks who now have one in their hand, clearly the love and appreciation of this vape is well deserved.
I am very excited that mine is within a couple miles of here, even if I have to wait till Monday.

 

[leanpubpackage]

Day two I’m having much better results.
I tried a big single flame torch and I’m getting much thicker hits at the same marking.
I think I need to adjust the glass in my wand because the VI is reading high compared to a torch.

I also tried the dynacoil and it actually worked really well. Way better than a dynavap.
I’m going to try putting a little more through it and see how much reclaim gets through.

I’m pleased. Now it’s just dialing it in.

Edit: Added pictures of my case solution.

https://imgur.com/a/wj9CVHw

https://imgur.com/a/QwGkxUu

where'd you get this case from?

 

[666Honeybadger]

where'd you get this case from?

I thought i'd never buy anything Storz und Bickel but seeing the Wand and Tempest fit so perfectly clean and snug in that (Venty?) S&B case (i recognise the colorcombo) made me doubt everything in life...
omg, i'm tempted...
The horror, the horror!!!

Edit to add: man, the clouds with the Tempest are ridiculous!
Mindblowing given the relatively small bowl and the fact that i'm still dialing it in and yet have to discover all the features/options/settings!

 

[kokolokokolokon]

@ApparentlyStoned I suppose you use the dynacoil just for concentrates

I tried it today with a little of hash. What a mess!

 

[ApparentlyStoned]

Yeah, I used live resin. It melted and absorbed between the layers pretty well.
I’m back to using flower this morning.
I have a thousand little things I want to try with a tolerance that can’t keep up.

I’m still getting mixed results but it’s my fault.
I keep getting either light hits that need a second heating or hot bowls that are darker on top. I’m trying to find a nice middle ground.

where'd you get this case from?

Venty case.
I bought a Venty that was never shipped and I eventually canceled and got the tempest.

It’s a perfect fit. Smell proof and it’ll hold the tempest plus a little more.

 

[cybrguy]

Is this about the same size as the venti case at about half the price? (no, too short)

https://www.amazon.com/AGPTEK-Carrying-Digital-Recorders-Earphones-Bose/dp/B076V9RBLJ/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=e-cig%2Bcarrying%2Bcase&qid=1701555303&sr=8-7&th=1

Later: I measured the Wand and it is 1/2" to 3/4" too long for this case...

 

[Timps27]

I’ve been using this for travel, it has active carbon for odors and a sealed zip; plus I can also keep my rolling papers and tobacco in it!

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YXYHZW1?ref_=cm_sw_r_apin_dp_5557G8H3Z1PAR4GZW3QN&language=en-US&th=1

 

[RedZep]

Mods please delete, double post.

 

[RedZep]

I remember in the early testing for the Zion that nobody believed what the beta testers were saying because it was so overwhelmingly positive. Then once some RBT vapes became available, people got it.
This is like that. The reviews are so overwhelmingly positive that they are hard to believe, but due to the number of folks who now have one in their hand, clearly the love and appreciation of this vape is well deserved.
I am very excited that mine is within a couple miles of here, even if I have to wait till Monday.

Yeah I was worried after my initial glowing review. I was worried there were unforeseen variables I hadn't encountered yet, and people might have a different view. But after using it constantly for couple months I felt absolutely sure it was going to cause a wave. It's just such a great vape.

 

[ApparentlyStoned]

Where should I expect the VI to stop at with 310-20c to time out?
I’m barely getting it to the middle line.
I went up to 330 and it’s just hitting the middle line.

Should I raise the temp or adjust the insert?

 

[mcscruffy]

Yeah I was worried after my initial glowing review. I was worried there were unforeseen variables I hadn't encountered yet, and people might have a different view. But after using it constantly for couple months I felt absolutely sure it was going to cause a wave. It's just such a great vape.

I remember questioning the validity of your early review thinking there was heavy honeymoon bias. Boy was I wrong! I got to where I used it well within a few bowls. Having had it for a while now I really understand this device and can adjust on the fly easily to take the draws I want with varying intensity and roast levels. "Versatile" has been a commonly used term recent pages and there's good reason for it!

 

[VapingYogi]

Where should I expect the VI to stop at with 310-20c to time out?
I’m barely getting it to the middle line.
I went up to 330 and it’s just hitting the middle line.

Should I raise the temp or adjust the insert?

I would adjust the insert first - my VI gets stuck so its hard to use but when I head 310c until timeout it gets half way between the middle and the last line (it stays there for 10-15 seconds without moving so its hard to be exact).

I remember questioning the validity of your early review thinking there was heavy honeymoon bias. Boy was I wrong! I got to where I used it well within a few bowls. Having had it for a while now I really understand this device and can adjust on the fly easily to take the draws I want with varying intensity and roast levels. "Versatile" has been a commonly used term recent pages and there's good reason for it!

one of the reasons I have held back with honey moon like comments because its not the right energy because there is just so many different use cases and every one of them will work for a different person.

.....

I am really enjoying my bowl with a layer of cotton on the bottom, a bunch of rubies and then a drop of rosin on top, sitting upright in my Prophet, its been a fun way of using concentrates in the Tempest... maybe I just like seeing the rubies with rosin sitting on top as all the reclaim is hidden in the cotton and I'll just vape that later when I need a good painkiller.

When I went to the hospital I took my Tempest in a Anvil case, my herbs and my Reload G2 in an Old Head Freight Train carry case with a Mighty carry case inside with the Wand and a spare set of batteries in it... was a great little travel solution but I still want to get a proper leather case, some kind of way to carry them all together more easily, but it worked.

 

[ApparentlyStoned]

Disregard everything I said.
I somehow switched it to Fahrenheit and was still setting it in the 300’s.
I was second guessing my wand, the batteries, my sanity.
What a relief.

 

[VapingYogi]

Disregard everything I said.
I somehow switched it to Fahrenheit and was still setting it in the 300’s.
I was second guessing my wand, the batteries, my sanity.
What a relief.

so adorable

 

[VapingYogi]

I'm curious... of the Tempest users ..?
Is there anyone who is keeping AVB to use later (cooking, extraction, whatever)?
If not - & If you do keep AVB from other devices, why not with the Tempest?

It came to mind randomly as I realised I have put a lot of hash and extracts through the Tempest and any reclaim will be in all those herbs that I have been tossing in a Jar with the plans of throwing them out

 

[kokolokokolokon]

Ok the screens i shared are super easy to use half bowl but a pain in the ass to set them at full bowl no problem for me, but it is good to inform

 

[sedentree]

Is this about the same size as the venti case at about half the price? (no, too short)

https://www.amazon.com/AGPTEK-Carrying-Digital-Recorders-Earphones-Bose/dp/B076V9RBLJ/ref=sr_1_7?keywords=e-cig%2Bcarrying%2Bcase&qid=1701555303&sr=8-7&th=1

Later: I measured the Wand and it is 1/2" to 3/4" too long for this case...

Day two I’m having much better results.
I tried a big single flame torch and I’m getting much thicker hits at the same marking.
I think I need to adjust the glass in my wand because the VI is reading high compared to a torch.

I also tried the dynacoil and it actually worked really well. Way better than a dynavap.
I’m going to try putting a little more through it and see how much reclaim gets through.

I’m pleased. Now it’s just dialing it in.

Edit: Added pictures of my case solution.

https://imgur.com/a/wj9CVHw

https://imgur.com/a/QwGkxUu

Maybe @Brenyo could look at taking inspiration from the Venty case here but with some minor modifications, so for example one half would hold the Wand like in the Venty picture but the other side could have another elastic strap to hold a Reload and another strap or maybe some sort or of slot to hold the Tempest in it’s leather case?

 

[Jojofernz]

Maybe @Brenyo could look at taking inspiration from the Venty case here but with some minor modifications, so for example one half would hold the Wand like in the Venty picture but the other side could have another elastic strap to hold a Reload and another strap or maybe some sort or of slot to hold the Tempest in it’s leather case?

I have a case that is basically already like this. I don’t have my tempest yet but I’ll take a picture with it when I do.

But currently it holds the wand in place on one side, and other side has two loops or elastic straps and I normally keep two Dynavaps in the slot. Now I should be able to fit the tempest and perhaps a small lighter?

I dunno, would love a case that can fit the wand, tempest and reload all in one.

 

[666Honeybadger]

the Tempest draws about 100w from the batteries where the Dynavap draws like 30w so when you put the Tempest in, it compares the power remaining to the current output which shows the amount remaining as much lower

I'm happy i read this post as i just started using a Wand (first IH for me) and i noticed that during the first heating cycle it went to one bar so good thing you just posted that around that time to take away my worries.
The battery indicator is literally all over the place during use.

Guess i'll have to keep track of total heating cycles before it shut down once or twice to get an actual idea of total cycles. I run (new) molicell P28 in it so they should be decent.

Nice detail i just noticed: the new Reload lid has the slots to lay down the Tempest and these slots also grab the tip (if inserted correct) and hold it in place so you can unscrew the cap!
Great little detail, Brenyo!

 

[VapingYogi]

I'm happy i read this post as i just started using a Wand (first IH for me) and i noticed that during the first heating cycle it went to one bar so good thing you just posted that around that time to take away my worries.
The battery indicator is literally all over the place during use.

Guess i'll have to keep track of total heating cycles before it shut down once or twice to get an actual idea of total cycles. I run (new) molicell P28 in it so they should be decent.

Nice detail i just noticed: the new Reload lid has the slots to lay down the Tempest and these slots also grab the tip (if inserted correct) and hold it in place so you can unscrew the cap!
Great little detail, Brenyo!

@Brenyo said he gets about 15 runs off the standard aspire batteries if I remember correctly, I have yet to actually count the MP28/Samsung batteries for comparison but I should.

 

[chrisnotes]

Allllllriiigggghtyyyyyy!

Getting this down pretty good now with flower- still using the setup the Tempest was delivered with as far as cooling etc….well actually I closed the airflow all the way on the bottom and have the top ball airflow wide open.

610f (321c) on the wand, removing at right as the lights go solid. Niiiiiice roast, AMAZING flavor and clouds.

I just can’t believe what this thing does.

I get 2 clicks with mine- 1 click when VI just hits 1st marking, 2nd click O think is right at 3rd mark…I think both happen about 15 seconds or so BEFORE the lights go solid, but I have to play more.

Love this!

Also the Reload 2 is also AMAZING!

 

[VapingYogi]

I am looking forward to hearing clicks to let me know its coming to temp and being able to check a calibrated VI oh so much *daydreams*

@chrisnotes thank you for sharing

 

[Duba]

This Tempest puzzles me sometimes. I must say I love it, but I find it hard to get consistent results.

With the Wand, it's going pretty well, I've got my set-up and I'm able to repeat things consistently. The other day, I took it them on the way out and then everything went wrong, my setting was no longer good. I'd be surprised if the environment had that much influence (going from my house to the car, on the passenger side).

With the torch, I haven't yet found the right balance by relying on the visual indicator. I can have a bowl that's not properly extracted or burnt with the same technique. I haven't figured out why yet.
I've also noticed that the VI doesn't respond the same depending on the Wand or the torch.
Any suggestions?

It's a little trick, but quite complicated all the same. It's pretty exciting actually, I'm not done with it yet.

 

[leanpubpackage]

Alright, I have put over 100 bowls through the tempest and there’s one thing that is keeping me from absolutely loving it, and that is consistency with back to back bowls.

Using the wand, once dialed in, the first heat up will be incredibly consistent and you can get absolute lung busting hits. With excellent flavor too. However, after the first hit, if you want to do back to back bowls consider this:

1.) the clicker doesn’t do the cool down click until the entire head is cooled down (5-10 mins)…so it’s rendered useless after the first heat up
2.) the VI lags behind and does not account for how much heat is still retained from the first heat up...which also renders the VI relatively useless after the first heat up. The VI will be at the starting position despite the head still being pretty hot. You’ll have to heat to a “lower temp” on the dial during the second heat up, which becomes a guessing game

My use case for it is now as a one hitter microdoser, with the screen permanently in the half bowl setting. Very easy to load and unload, especially with the reload 2.

I avoid back to back bowls with it if possible. If I need back to back hits, i’ll pull out my anvil. Speaking of which, without comparing too much on this thread, they both hit extremely hard, with the tempest having a more convection signature. The tempest also edges the anvil in ease of loading and unloading. The anvil clicker is still king in terms of consistency and accuracy