So weirdly I can see the pic now? Must be my device.
That photo looks like it is lit from directly above which generally makes it appear lighter. I'm not basing it purely on the shade though, everything on the right half is noticeably shriveled and decomposed compared to the left side. The stated user experiences of "The Anvil would have the tendency to taste on the borderline of being charred toward the end of hits like that.", "I divided this into 3 slow hits in order to not combust. First one had some muted flavor to it, the rest was almost completely muted. I often found myself surprised about how close to combustion I‘ve been pushing it", "My S3 produces very similar AVB at >210 when I photograph it.", and "The big guy makes me struggle a bit with pyrolysis and combustion as I‘m still searching for my perfect heat up technique. So the lack of flavor is my responsibility." all seem to line up with pyrolysis in my opinion.
With respect, I don’t think me referencing how a regulated vape from a very competent manufacturer has near identical AVB is a good piece of evidence. That arguably goes against the point you’re trying to make. The only pyrolysis on the S3 comes with poor packing or pieces touching the bottom of the oven.
Although I’ll agree with my comment on the Anvil tasting borderline charred indicating some pyrolysis, for me the Anvil’s thermal lag makes it hard to come right up on that line without inevitably pushing it a touch too far. You also don’t really know until it’s too late either. It’s possible to get it to stop just before this point, but hard to do repeatedly. Going a bit lighter on the roast more or less avoids the risk of this and actually tastes fairly good. But I’m not interested in that, I like the extra sedation from going that touch darker and stopping just before pyro. That’s what interests me with the Tornado, it seems a little more controllable in this regard.
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@eyevape has come out and said there’s pyrolysis present in their AVB then I’ll agree that there is. I was merely making the point that AVB pics aren’t a reliable representation of the roast - which your initial comment seemed to suggest your conclusion was based on before you added the additional quotes in your response. I think that bares mentioning in general - AVB pics should be taken as a suggestion more so than a statement. They’re very useful as a complement to a solid write up of flavour, effects, et cetera. Between the two it paints a great picture.
Yep, this is the reason I was initially uninterested in it, so I feel like it's important for me to represent this opinion. Over time I noticed patterns of who says it's a good flavor vape or not and how they use it. I don't have a single vape that I would consider to taste good when the herb comes out looking like that, unless it's a session style and I get some lower temp flavor hits in the beginning, which is not a valid comparison.
I do think it’s good to have this alternate perspective, absolutely. I’ve been there myself, getting a vape and having a different experience to what most others are saying then wondering why. Usually there’s a reason for that experience being different. In that respect, I’ll add that most vapes are capable of good-great flavour when you don’t go too dark, and your AVB certainly tracks with that and ties into your comment about usage patterns. Dynavaps are similarly disregarded as Vestratto stuff for flavour generally, and I’ve got some wonderful flavour experiences out of those by not going too dark.
What is really impressive to me personally, is a dark roasted, full extraction right up to the limit of the bud that also maintains a good flavour profile. Consistently. Not many vapes I’ve seen can do that. In this context I’d never say the Vestratto devices I’ve used can do that, it tends towards muted or pushes a little too far and you get the slight charred taste. This is what most people tend to refer to with the bad flavour
From left to right you see my greed gradient. Should have done it somewhat slower I suppose.
