Tolerance "shifting"

[darkrom]

I just wanted to toss out an idea I had that I will be putting to the test more formally than I have in the past once my 4 pc space case arrives.

The whole idea is to use a 4pc with a "kief coin" and sift the bud really well. Go ___ amount of days using this bud only, and then after the time period use bud ground up using a 2 pc and not sifted at all.

In the past this method was fantastic for me. I'd save the 2pc bud for a movie or something and it would be stronger by a noticeable amount. My understanding of why this has worked flawlessly in the past is that by sifting it well I am removing a majority of the trichomes, which should in theory lower the THC:CBD ratio. As someone who suffers from anxiety, I generally enjoy a higher portion of CBD. I call this tolerance "shifting" because you can basically take a mini tolerance break from THC by consuming lower levels a majority of the time.

I am curious what you all think and would love to discuss/test this more. I know it may seem basic and obvious but it's made a huge difference before for me.

 

[SD_haze]

Is it certain there's more cbd:thc ratio inside the flower itself compared to the trichromes?

If you get (or make) a kief box that would work even better with much less effort (could de-kief an entire stashes worth at once)
They're not too expensive to make yourself.

 

[darkrom]

Is it certain there's more cbd:thc ratio inside the flower itself compared to the trichromes?

If you get (or make) a kief box that would work even better with much less effort (could de-kief an entire stashes worth at once)
They're not too expensive to make yourself.

My stash is generally split with friends so I don't see that as the best option for me. Those look really neat though.

I am not certain about the ratio of THC:CBD in the flower vs the trichomes, I always was under the impression the trichomes were very high THC content though.

Even if the trichomes were a concentrated CBD/THC blend, then by sifting it you would still get the "tolerance shift" effect because you'd be using lower levels of both primarily, and saving the stronger concentration for when you deem it a special enough occasion.

 

[darkrom]

Can this be moved to general vapor discussion so people might actually see it

 

[Sour Deez]

Im almost postive all the psychoactive cannabinoids are located in the trichome head. Either way your method should still work

 

[darkrom]

Sour DEEZ you are saying that both THC and CBD are in the trichomes in much greater amounts than the plant not just THC right?

My method will still work if that is the case, I am just curious. It's funny how much is still not understood about this amazing plant.

 

[crawdad]

Sour DEEZ you are saying that both THC and CBD are in the trichomes in much greater amounts than the plant not just THC right?

not trying to get into grow-tech here, but the following link is quite interesting for this topic.

http://how-to-grow-cannabis.info/grow/growing/marijuana-cannabis-growers-almanac-FAQ-1529.html

 

[High Sigh]

This is interesting. I think I might do this but instead switch from BHO to reclaim for a week or so..

 

[notmyrealUSERname]

I don't think you can easily bounce between states of tolerance like the op is hoping. Tolerance is a like climbing a mountain - at first, a little climb gets your feets as high off the ground as you care to be, but then you need to climb hither and higher until finally you have reached the top and there is no more mountain left to climb. Then it's time to base jump (t-break) and then start climbing again.

So imagine vaping one bowl of sifted stuff, progresses to a # of bowls, progresses to unsifted bowls, to adding loose kief in, to pressed hash, to oil, then t-break!

 

[Sour Deez]

Sour DEEZ you are saying that both THC and CBD are in the trichomes in much greater amounts than the plant not just THC right?

My method will still work if that is the case, I am just curious. It's funny how much is still not understood about this amazing plant.

Yes exactly, when you make hash or hash oil you are separating the trichome heads from the plant material.

 

[darkrom]

Sour DEEZ you are saying that both THC and CBD are in the trichomes in much greater amounts than the plant not just THC right?

not trying to get into grow-tech here, but the following link is quite interesting for this topic.

http://how-to-grow-cannabis.info/grow/growing/marijuana-cannabis-growers-almanac-FAQ-1529.html

Exactly the info I've never seen before Thanks.

I still think my theory will work

 

[weedemon]

This is interesting. I think I might do this but instead switch from BHO to reclaim for a week or so..

^ haha you read my mind bro! me too!

 

[darkrom]

I hope my new space case comes soon so I can start the shifting. Not possible with my 2pc space case.

 

[darkrom]

Space case 4 piece is here so I'll begin my experiment. Only heavily sifted bud until the time is right.

 

[crawdad]

im on day 3 of trying this, and ya...im not using that 4 pc anymore unless im in a major pinch for time...unlikely.

 

[darkrom]

im on day 3 of trying this, and ya...im not using that 4 pc anymore unless im in a major pinch for time...unlikely.

I don't understand what you mean. Please explain? I'm curious if this is working for others as well.

 

[crawdad]

well, hear me out.....i dont think its tolerance...i think you are simply removing too much of what makes the bud a bud and you need more of it in a reduced state to get where you got before. just a theory, working for me thus far.

 

[crawdad]

i was pretty vaped then...now, just a little. let me try that again in more words to better describe how i see this, and am seeing this...as ive been wondering about my tolerance lately. ive been daily tokin (at night) for about 2.5 years and before that maybe once a week for about a year.

i have been noticing that my mind has been certainly developing an adjusted plateau of baseline, meaning...even though i take 24 hour breaks (only a night toker) the repetition was setting in and each night it seemed i was starting at a higher level, so...it was taking more to get to the same place or higher. i was going through green quicker than usual. this is a change after doing the same amount each night for about 2 years with no noticeable tolerance issues.

so, i thought....for a while. then noticed i had started use a 4pc about a month prior to noticing the supply going down quick, and...well...seemed obvious to me, i was removing too much. the amount i can scrape and properly transfer to a bowl vs just having it in the bowl to begin with, well....ya, im going to go with just keeping it together. could be that my herb is just not as dank as others so i should not be sifting it. dunno.

so, ive done that (no 4pc, no grind, im back to scissors) and yes im getting there, finally again on just one bowl as i have been doing for about 2 years. fact. ymmv of course, everyone is different. hope you get it worked out, i do know that mixing it up is critical, i often switch up how i toke (fast bowls vs very slow bowls, add this or that, dont add this or that, etc) and i maintain the switch for a few weeks or so before switching back or around, i KNOW it helps...with me. may not apply to your situation but wanted to offer my thoughts on the related subject.

 

[darkrom]

Crawdad thanks for the input. We may be in different boats since I vape all day not just at night, every day, for like 13 years (well like 10 of combustion YUCK lol).

Mixing it up is key with everything in life, not just vaping, but I agree with what you say. Slow vs. fast abd different anything will keep it fresh.

I think that you may not see the results as much as someone like me due to varying tolerance. You would have a lot more time to let those receptors have a break each day than I do.

For me this is how I've been experiencing this so far. I was using my 2 pc only every day. Lets say my effects numerically were like 50/100 for strength (I know this is ridiculous and inaccurate but its a way of describing my point). I found that by heavily sifting it I've been getting still the same 50/100 for effect strength. This pretty much blew my mind. Basically I sifted off LOTS and LOTS of kief (to the point where I'm sure some is plant material so the kief isn't as pure as it could be) and still noticed no drop in effect quality! How this can be baffles me, but maybe its really say 40/100 but that's not quite enough to notice? Idk.

All I do know is that the herb with quite a bit less psychoactives is getting me to the same level of effect as it would before I sifted it. So why would I bother using all those trichomes every day just for the sake of using them? Now this way a trench in my MFLB (what I've been using exclusively for the experiment to keep things fairly accurate) will get me medicated on a regular basis still, but when I want to go see a movie or go out with friends (who drink and I don't) I can sprinkle a little kief on the bud and get significantly noticeable boost in effects. I know everyone's first thought is if you sprinkle kief on any bowl it'll be stronger. I agree, but in this case I'd say it seems to be an even stronger boost than that by a very good amount.


The summary of this is that I'm more or less lowering kief tolerance by making sure that my bud is kief free until I need a special bowl, and then that bowl will be REALLY special.


I hope that this gets tried by a few people on here at least. What I'm hoping will become of this is a method of tolerance reduction for heavy and medical users. For some people a tolerance break is not worth it due to your condition you are treating. A lot of users like me lost the "magic" of actually feeling a decent high. This is a no brainer to me that I'd rather vape daily to improve my life and not get "fun" out of it than just take a week off and suffer so I can get extra high one day. I'm hoping this allows medical users to keep medicating as needed, while offering a way to add some flair back to the experience without having to suffer through a total break.

 

[crawdad]

The summary of this is that I'm more or less lowering kief tolerance by making sure that my bud is kief free until I need a special bowl, and then that bowl will be REALLY special.

gotcha, thanks for explaining and keep us updated.

im reminded of the following phrase : the more you know, the less you need.

 

[darkrom]

I concede that the more you weed the less you need indeed.

 

[darkrom]

This may become a permanent thing for me! I find that I really don't notice any difference during my vape sessions of my totally kiefless bud. I still get the same effects. For once tolerance is sort of a good thing.

Sometime this weekend I'll use my space case 2 pc and I expect noticably stronger highs. Basically you can't really call what I get during my standard sessions as a high, so for me this is something special to actually feel high.

I feel like I've found the perfect blend honestly. Being able to vape constantly as needed throughout the day, but still being able to get a "special enjoyable experience" by keeping the trichomes as a special occasion.


I just wish some of you will try this out since it costs $0 assuming you have a 4 pc. I'd like to see if other people with a very high tolerance agree with me.

I'll update it with my findings after I finally vape a "standard" trench as opposed to my sifted ones. It's convenient that I only have a MFLB while getting my underdog upgraded. No way to fuck up the results since I pack my MFLB the same way every time.

 

[hogleg]

I too have a very high tolerance and have been inadvertantly using this technique for years it works great. With a nickel and the scraper that comes with the grinder in a 100mm grinder you can get a lot of kif. One thing I seem to notice is maybe the highs are not so long but it could be the tolerance.

 

[SD_haze]

I too have a very high tolerance and have been inadvertantly using this technique for years it works great. With a nickel and the scraper that comes with the grinder in a 100mm grinder you can get a lot of kif. One thing I seem to notice is maybe the highs are not so long but it could be the tolerance.

I definitely notice when you have a very high tolerance, the bigger doses contribute more to the duration than the intensity (past a certain point)

 

[darkrom]

I have short durations no matter the dose. Weird.

As far as the nickel in the grinder that is essential. I use a "kief coin" I bought online a long time ago, but currency is fine, though I do suggest an iso wash first. The coin creates far far more kief which is technically robbing it from the bud, but that is the whole point of my theory. Still loving it so far and I'll definitely post more about it when I finally add the kief some day this weekend.