The state of California is running the biggest cannabis racketeering ring in history

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ValleyVapes

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The State of California has enacted a two pronged plan to decimate legacy cannabis businesses ahead of national legalization. It is a comprehensive plan to steal the industry from the people who built it and pave the way for the global corporate takeover that’s coming. First farms are denied a pathway to legal operations. Only 32% of cities and counties in CA allow for cultivation applications then there are local zoning restrictions and unnecessary financial barriers.



For those who took the bait and entered the recreational market the second part of the plan would kick in. Crushing taxes and a market flooded by mega farms. With so much overproduction the only option to keep the lights on is to backdoor. Backdooring is the root of the problem and the key to the government’s war on cannabis finally succeeding. By allowing the corporate megafarms to pump out garbage and flood the country through burner distros the value on ALL markets plummeted. The government found a way to make it not worth it to cultivate for the legacy market by destroying the value of everyone’s work.



The state has engaged in the biggest cannabis racketeering ring in history. They have gotten away with it because of the media narrative that the black market is the reason for the Rec market crashing. This is bullshit. The state of California is knowingly taxing and regulating the primary sources of black market cannabis being trafficked out of state. The emperor has no clothes. Stand up for your rights and demand real legalization, not corporate cartels. No more public funds should be spent on a criminal enterprise built to rob Californians of their property and flood the country with low quality cannabis. What happens in California is being used as a model across the globe for how cannabis is legalized. Anyone who treats cannabis as being legalized in California is part of the problem. It’s not legal and it is time for change.
 

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I seriously doubt we get national legalization with the Clueless crew coming in. I expect nothing while the Rapist-in-Chief is in office except if he gets a big personal payout. Same case right now with banning Tik Tok. Donnie got paid by Tik Tok so its in his lap now.

They have made it extremely difficult for the legal market to survive in California i agree. In the black market they don't have to comply with anything that they do with the legal market.

I still consider it to be legal because you can still walk into a dispensary and buy something. I think you are overstating the situation by calling it Racketeering. The crime of Racketeering is inherently related to an illegal activity and it is legal for licensed dispensaries to sell product.

But its handled similar to tobacco or alcohol in that it is severely taxed as a "deterrent". State wants their money. Right now i think Michigan has the lowest prices in the country.
 
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The 'legalization' that was voted in a few years back in CA was this enormous document with all sorts of numbers hard-coded and prohibitive obstacles to amending it. It was a shitty pig in a poke written by wealthy investors to create advantages and special privileges for themselves and shut everybody else out -- and voters bought it. What's happening now is not because evil government bureaucrats are trying to rip everybody off. No, the voters decided what they wanted and now they are getting it, good and hard.
 

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The 'legalization' that was voted in a few years back in CA was this enormous document with all sorts of numbers hard-coded and prohibitive obstacles to amending it. It was a shitty pig in a poke written by wealthy investors to create advantages and special privileges for themselves and shut everybody else out -- and voters bought it. What's happening now is not because evil government bureaucrats are trying to rip everybody off. No, the voters decided what they wanted and now they are getting it, good and hard.
Nope. I’ve accurately described the situation.

I seriously doubt we get national legalization with the Clueless crew coming in. I expect nothing while the Rapist-in-Chief is in office except if he gets a big personal payout. Same case right now with banning Tik Tok. Donnie got paid by Tik Tok so its in his lap now.

They have made it extremely difficult for the legal market to survive in California i agree. In the black market they don't have to comply with anything that they do with the legal market.

I still consider it to be legal because you can still walk into a dispensary and buy something. I think you are overstating the situation by calling it Racketeering. The crime of Racketeering is inherently related to an illegal activity and it is legal for licensed dispensaries to sell product.

But it’s handled similar to tobacco or alcohol in that it is severely taxed as a "deterrent". State wants their money. Right now i think Michigan has the lowest prices in the country.
It is a mistake to view the issue as partisan through a tribal lens. The blue machine that runs California was fully behind this criminal scheme.

No I’m not overstating anything. If any of you were in the industry you’d know what I said was true. This is one of the biggest political scandals in history.

That’s my name and where I live. If you want to disagree please share the same or be quiet
 
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Flotsam

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It is a mistake to view the issue as partisan through a tribal lens. The blue machine that runs California was fully behind this criminal scheme.
Except one party has rejected it out of hand while another had made it part of its platform. There may in fact be Republicans that are for full Federal legalization I just don't know who that would be.
As for "tribe" i am a Republican so they send me tons of stuff on their "Agenda" & i can assure it is never pro-Cannabis. MD btw. If you look at the long term history of cannabis in the US it always was overtly Racist.
 
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ValleyVapes

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pay closer attention, one party dangled a carrot to secure power. If you are a consumer, I don’t care about your political opinions. They are not relevant to this issue.
 
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Flotsam

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pay closer attention, one party dangled a carrot to secure power. If you are a consumer, I don’t care about your political opinions. They are not relevant to this issue.
Why the hostility? I just think you don't like my responses since i am not in total agreement with you.

I am obviously paying attention. we had a referendum and i know who implemented the results. It is not a perfect setup much like California but at least i can get stoned. I don't consider this a conspiracy, but like any place its all about money. I don't think you can ignore political considerations, if you don't its a bit naive . What the legalization did in MD was allow a shuttered tire facility to be re-opened as a Grow facility in a more impoverished part of the state. This is a family owned business that employees quite a few people and one of the largest employers. This is not some mega corp you are complaining about. And they are expanding licenses to address the social equity aspects. Win Win

I also don't get what you would consider the solution to this problem. What do you want to happen? Complaining about everyone involved will not bring a solution.
 

ValleyVapes

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I’m not being hostile. If you aren’t in a position to understand the complexity of the situation please stop commenting, you aren’t adding anything. The next time you risk your life to help others you will get it.
 
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Gunky

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That’s my name and where I live. If you want to disagree please share the same or be quiet
I believe attempting to force people to reveal their identity here is against the rules. You need to chill out with a chillum or something. The fact is people are to a considerable extent agreeing with you that CA legalization is a sham. Some aspects of your emotional case seem a bit off to me, plus you seem to be angrily charging in without fully taking in what the replies are saying. Chill it brother and quit throwing your weight around, is my suggestion.

I’m not being hostile. If you aren’t in a position to understand the complexity of the situation please stop commenting, you aren’t adding anything. The next time you risk your life to help others you will get it.
See, this is no good! Quit telling everybody to shut up. We get it, you think you are the big expert and everybody else is full of shit.
 
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Flotsam

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I believe attempting to force people to reveal their identity here is against the rules. You need to chill out with a chillum or something. The fact is people are to a considerable extent agreeing with you that CA legalization is a sham. Some aspects of your emotional case seem a bit off to me, plus you seem to be angrily charging in without fully taking in what the replies are saying. Chill it brother and quit throwing your weight around, is my suggestion.
LOL thanks, I have been to California and i have gone to a dispensary, but fully acknowledge there are problems that i cannot solve and probably not aware of all the impacts. The same could be said for Colorado as well. When the economics go awry everyone is trying to find a scapegoat. I have no dog in this fight. Bye
 
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pakalolo

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I’m not being hostile. If you aren’t in a position to understand the complexity of the situation please stop commenting, you aren’t adding anything. The next time you risk your life to help others you will get it.

I believe attempting to force people to reveal their identity here is against the rules. You need to chill out with a chillum or something. The fact is people are to a considerable extent agreeing with you that CA legalization is a sham. Some aspects of your emotional case seem a bit off to me, plus you seem to be angrily charging in without fully taking in what the replies are saying. Chill it brother and quit throwing your weight around, is my suggestion.


See, this is no good! Quit telling everybody to shut up. We get it, you think you are the big expert and everybody else is full of shit.

The tone of these posts is not acceptable. If you can't be courteous to each other then I will start deleting posts and handing out warning points.

@ValleyVapes has accurately described the essence of this issue. This is well known to anyone who has paid any attention; however, racketeering is a criminal offence with specific requirements that are not met in this circumstance.
 

ValleyVapes

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Yes it is a specific criminal offense that I have accurately described and is relevant in this circumstance.

Like I said I don’t mean to offend anyone, but if you aren’t in a position to know what’s going on you are not helping offering your opinion on the accuracy. These are facts that I stand behind with my name, not username.
 
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The tone of these posts is not acceptable. If you can't be courteous to each other then I will start deleting posts and handing out warning points.

@ValleyVapes has accurately described the essence of this issue. This is well known to anyone who has paid any attention; however, racketeering is a criminal offence with specific requirements that are not met in this
The tone of these posts is not acceptable. If you can't be courteous to each other then I will start deleting posts and handing out warning points.

@ValleyVapes has accurately described the essence of this issue. This is well known to anyone who has paid any attention; however, racketeering is a criminal offence with specific requirements that are not met in this circumstance
The tone of these posts is not acceptable. If you can't be courteous to each other then I will start deleting posts and handing out warning points.

@ValleyVapes has accurately described the essence of this issue. This is well known to anyone who has paid any attention; however, racketeering is a criminal offence with specific requirements that are not met in this circumstance.
Gov censorship laundered through private corporations is a massive impediment preventing the public from being informed about what they are being forced to fund. Don’t contribute to the issue please.
 
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@ValleyVapes has accurately described the essence of this issue. This is well known to anyone who has paid any attention; however, racketeering is a criminal offence with specific requirements that are not met in this circumstance.
Wait a minute, are you the moderator or the person who judges which poster is correct and hands down final decisions of right and wrong in any discussion?
 
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ValleyVapes

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This isn’t a discussion on which vaporizer works the best where everyone’s opinion matters. This is a serious issue. I’m just posting it to as many platforms as possible to circumvent government censorship laundered through private corporations.
 
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I’m not being hostile. If you aren’t in a position to understand the complexity of the situation please stop commenting, you aren’t adding anything. The next time you risk your life to help others you will get it.

If you don't consider this post hostile, I don't think your judgement is clear. Sorry.

You might consider cleaning up your act.

Bill (from the Valley)
 

Flotsam

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This isn’t a discussion on which vaporizer works the best where everyone’s opinion matters. This is a serious issue. I’m just posting it to as many platforms as possible to circumvent government censorship laundered through private corporations.
so you've posted this same thing in 3 individual threads on here which comes off as blatantly Spammy. How is that circumventing censorship ?

Some of these same claims have been made about the Colorado market as well. There are always going to be winners and losers.

I go back to my original response. What do you propose be done about it? Who can potentially fix this? I would suggest this IS a political issue because the California legislature can enact a law that addresses these issues.
 
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Gunky

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This isn’t a discussion on which vaporizer works the best where everyone’s opinion matters. This is a serious issue. I’m just posting it to as many platforms as possible to circumvent government censorship laundered through private corporations.
So if I understand you correctly, your opinion on this whatever it is we are talking about - it's still not terribly clear to me - matters but mine does not. In fact anyone who is not you or a CA canna industry insider cannot have an opinion that matters. Your original post is an announcement you are making and you are warning us not to gainsay anything you said (sketchy as it is) because our opinions don't matter. Okay! Noted!
 

ValleyVapes

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Not nice. Warning point issued.
Silly people are exhausting, I don’t have the patience to educate you with such poor attitudes.
 
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Flotsam

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Silly people are exhausting, I don’t have the patience to educate you with such poor attitudes.
LOL i am guessing with your name like that you are a vendor . With a self-aggrandizing attitude like that i wouldn't be surprised if anyone here ever give you any business. reviews bear that out

and you still NEVER answered the question
 
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Gunky

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Silly people are exhausting, I don’t have the patience to educate you with such poor attitudes.
I want to take you seriously and I even agree with you to a certain extent: the CA legalization initiative created a mess and doesn't work all that well for anyone, especially the original, legacy growers, such as the folks in Humboldt. But you come off like a conspiracy nut. There is a movement among repubs to vilify state and local governments in CA. Your screed sounds suspiciously like a part of that. You keep saying that the State of California is engaging in racketeering. But almost all the corruption is occurring at the municipal level - cities, not the state. Given that, how can you claim the the state government is conspiring to get rid of such and such players? Who? It's mainly happening at the city level so who is conspiring? The existence of the mega-growers - that was baked into the cake at legalization. The state and local taxes and the onerous licensing and inspection, etc - again baked into the initiative. (This is what the voters thought they wanted and now they are getting it.) Those are part of the reason some of us, frequently me in these pages, opposed the legalization initiative which ended up passing.
 
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You keep saying that the State of California is engaging in racketeering. But almost all the corruption is occurring at the municipal level - cities, not the state.

All legal municipal operations require a granted state license issued by the State of California. The Department of Cannabis Control.
 
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pakalolo

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Yes it is a specific criminal offense that I have accurately described and is relevant in this circumstance.

Like I said I don’t mean to offend anyone, but if you aren’t in a position to know what’s going on you are not helping offering your opinion on the accuracy. These are facts that I stand behind with my name, not username.

In my opinion you are using the term incorrectly. but I am not a lawyer and will not argue with you. I absolutely agree that illegal actvities are taking place.

Wait a minute, are you the moderator or the person who judges which poster is correct and hands down final decisions of right and wrong in any discussion?

I am the moderator, and you have put me in a position that I hate. You know from past transgressions that this kind of comment earns you a warning point. You have done it before and have accumulated enough points that if I give you the one you deserve here then you will be permanently banned. You've also been let off the hook once before. I'm suspending judgment here while I discuss this with the other moderators.

Meanwhile, the intent of @ValleyVapes has been achieved and I see no value in allowing this discussion to continue. This thread is closed.
 
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