Cannabis Hardware (formerly NewVape) FlowerPot Twax Vaporizer

[RustyOldNail]

As has been pointed out in some of the above messages, the NV PID, can be controlled remotely by plugging into a controllable outlet. Personally, that’s not something I would ever consider using for the obvious SAFETY concern. I don’t turn my oven or toaster on remotely when I’m not home, to save 10 minutes (risk versus reward). And while you can disable the auto off timer on the Auber, I prefer to set a 6 hour OFF, again for safety, in case I forget. Again, since it’s ONLY 10 minutes to get dab ready, I can afford to wait.

The other main difference is the knob on the Auber versus the buttons on the NV. Personally, I prefer the way the knob works, easy to spin, then push. And as Baron23 has pointed out many times, the Auber is made in USA, by a company that makes industrial units, and has customer support you can talk to, and get firmware updates if and when needed (unfortunately you have to send it back to them), this is where the remotely (online) upgradable MaxVapor has the edge, but at a premium price point.

All these PID’s, if set up properly should give very similar results for the job of regulating the temperature on the coil. I enjoy customizing my PID to match the set temperature with the surface temperature on my NV DCup, and the Auber 300, and the Maxvapor has that ability. I don’t know about the Chinese NV model, as I don’t own one. I’ve written fairly extensive temperature tests, using a surface probe (not a bead probe or laser reader, I own those as well) if you care to search here for it.

Currently, I own the Auber 300a, and the latest MaxVapor BT 1.3.

 

[The Stray Fox]

I don’t turn my oven or toaster on remotely when I’m not home, to save 10 minutes

Agreed, that would be weird. The SAFETY side is being able to turn it off or check that I turned it off which is piece of mind for me. I’m known to forget things especially when the FlowerPot is involved. Be smart and use a little common sense and there should be nothing to worry about.

 

[RustyOldNail]

Agreed, that would be weird. The SAFETY side is being able to turn it off or check that I turned it off which is piece of mind for me. I’m known to forget things especially when the FlowerPot is involved. Be smart and use a little common sense and there should be nothing to worry about.

Well said, I always respond when people talk about turning their unit ON, while they are not home. It’s none of my business how folks use their technology, but having personal experience with devices causing FIRES, I must ask:
RISK versus REWARD.

With a 10 minute wait till vape ready, I have no issue with turning it on when I’m home, and avoiding any risk at all. With my new MaxVapor BT PID, it can do all that stuff as it has wireless built in, so now I can turn it on and adjust it from my couch via an iPad. How’s that for super LAZY. I still set the auto OFF timer to 6 hours, same as I did with my Auber 300a, just in case I forget. Stay safe, one fire/mistake is too many.....

 

[swanka]

The first thing I do when I set up is to turn on the Vrod. By the time I am done with the rest of my setup, it has been at temp for at least a minute or two.

RE: vacuum and carb caps. I got curious and looked up the capability of human lungs to create a vacuum. After being unsatisfied with the info available, I tried out the vacuum gauge on my exposure unit. I was able to hit a whopping 20kPa. According to the charts that I found on the internet, that means about a ten degree (F) drop in boiling point for THC. Here's the deal, that was max effort with no airflow. If you put a hole in the line, I imagine it would be near impossible for me to draw much vacuum at all.

Can anyone else try this out? I could just be weak, who knows. The other thing is, my vacuum gauge isn't calibrated, it's mostly a diagnostic tool.

 

[invertedisdead]

If you put a hole in the line, I imagine it would be near impossible for me to draw much vacuum at all.

I agree and I've been saying the same thing for a few years now, possibly even in this same thread.
The best way to pull a vacuum would be to use a carb cap with no air holes, and that definitely does not work well. If we poked a "carb hole" in a sous vide bag it's not going to vacuum seal.

 

[The Stray Fox]

MaxVapor BT PID, it can do all that stuff as it has wireless built in, so now I can turn it on and adjust it from my couch via an iPad.

That’s what I’m talking about! I actually enjoy taking a quiet moment while waiting for my vape to warm up and heat soak. I’ve got a wife, 3 kids, 3 dog, 3 fish and own my own business so when I can get those precious 10 minutes I’ll take them.

This is my first enail and I’m not exactly sure what to expect if I had a catastrophic failure? Nuclear core meltdown or a pop and a fizzle? With a full house I do worry. I go as far as trying to keep my FlowerPot station on a 12x12 piece of slate when not in use, but on. Is that ovekill?

 

[swanka]

I agree and I've been saying the same thing for a few years now, possibly even in this same thread.
The best way to pull a vacuum would be to use a carb cap with no air holes, and that definitely does not work well. If we poked a "carb hole" in a sous vide bag it's not going to vacuum seal.

The thing is, the carb deffo works, so I'm not going to agonize over this. imho, the way it works is in the name. As in it's a way to regulate how much cold air gets in while trapping heat. Basically my theory is that it decreases the ratio of cold air to vapor. Another thing (I think so at least, this is my first time with a carb) I noticed is that the draw is basically just as smooth/harsh no matter the temp so long as the avb looks the same.

All this research has led me to think about putting an EQ with a bag in a vacuum chamber to see what it's like vaping thc that was boiled at like 200F

 

[invertedisdead]

Basically my theory is that it decreases the ratio of cold air to vapor.

AKA dilution.

I agree the caps have an observable function, I’m just not a huge subscriber to the “vacuum pulling” idea, though there is certainly a pressure change involved.

 

[nickb]

Picked up a Vrod Essentials Kit, I like the vape but they hits are a little airy for me I wish there was a bowl reducer (this would be easy to make i think also just a small round insert that reduces bowl diameter inside ,or like thicker inside walls of a conical bowl so the suface area of the bottom was not so wide, and i broke my damn sic dish in like less than a week, can i dab on the vrod without the dish on top. Also i figured out a new way to microdose with the vrod, the top of the vrod (center hole) fits into the Tinymight waterpipe adapter so basically you turn the vrod upside down and place the top hole into the tinymight stem (waterpipe adapter) its a perceft fit, (actually if the nut was indented to fit around the sides of the glass wold work even better) and take super fat hits with a even tinier amount , this could serve as a dual purpose head if threre was a bowl was designed for it, i would suggest an adjustable screen as well as a glass screen but the hits are insane and much less herb is required and the running temp is also lower for better extraction

 

[Bad Dog]

Just how small of a bowl are we talking about? I vape .05 all the time, mostly in the glass bowl but also the titanium and I get a pretty dense hit for the size. What's your temp?

 

[YaMon]

Would anyone ever be interested in contributing a blog article to the site? A lot of the newbies and FC outsiders just dont know a lot of the stuff discussed here. Let me know if you have any interest!

Why not direct them here or build an FAQ thread here?

Agreed, that would be weird. The SAFETY side is being able to turn it off or check that I turned it off which is piece of mind for me. I’m known to forget things especially when the FlowerPot is involved. Be smart and use a little common sense and there should be nothing to worry about.

This is my first enail and I’m not exactly sure what to expect if I had a catastrophic failure? Nuclear core meltdown or a pop and a fizzle? With a full house I do worry. I go as far as trying to keep my FlowerPot station on a 12x12 piece of slate when not in use, but on. Is that ovekill?

I think the MaxVapor maybe able to tell temperature wirelessly. I have similar interests and have been investigating home automation. It would be very realistic to build a setup that would allow one to power it on/off, monitor ambient temperature and even watch your VRod on video! Now there's some vape porn, but also a way to check that it's still on the stand and nothing flammable has fallen into it.

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Wow, I guess I really sparked a discussion on PID controllers didn't I? Hopefully that was a good thing! Much thanks to everyone who replied, I mean it, it all helps!

I spent at least two years drooling over the Flowerpot, and I just got mine a few weeks ago.

It's totally worth it!

Oh man.. from the first time I saw Bud use it in his review, I knew I had to have it.. It's really just a matter of when I can afford it if anything. Have you tried microdosing? I've heard good things about it. Come to think of it.. I need a new scale that reads at up to hundredths..

1. buy the flowerpot NOW
2. thank us later

( I own a volcano, it works and if you need repeatable sessions, it shines but FP is MUCH more fun)

I'll thank you all right now! I just hope I can wait to save up a little bit and for those other bundles to come back in stock. I really love their glass.

Other differences... The Auber 300B controller has a memory so you can save fave temps, and choose a standard temp, and a temp to boost up to with one press of the button. Boosts have a timer that you turn off, and the 300A has a timer off setting for the whole device, that you can turn off. 300A doesnt have the memory settings but new 300's are the 300B.

I gotta admit, it sounded pretty confusing, but thanks for all of this. I had no clue these things had anything like that, like I said, I am a complete enail noob. Thanks for all your help man!

 

[Zangano Cruel]

Picked up a Vrod Essentials Kit, I like the vape but they hits are a little airy for me I wish there was a bowl reducer (this would be easy to make i think also just a small round insert that reduces bowl diameter inside ,or like thicker inside walls of a conical bowl so the suface area of the bottom was not so wide, and i broke my damn sic dish in like less than a week, can i dab on the vrod without the dish on top. Also i figured out a new way to microdose with the vrod, the top of the vrod (center hole) fits into the Tinymight waterpipe adapter so basically you turn the vrod upside down and place the top hole into the tinymight stem (waterpipe adapter) its a perceft fit, (actually if the nut was indented to fit around the sides of the glass wold work even better) and take super fat hits with a even tinier amount , this could serve as a dual purpose head if threre was a bowl was designed for it, i would suggest an adjustable screen as well as a glass screen but the hits are insane and much less herb is required and the running temp is also lower for better extraction

Something like this perhaps???
http://instagr.am/p/CBecyWoHEOb/ Giving results like these???
http://instagr.am/p/CBpbSZRn3A_/ Anything else you need help???
Hit me up in the DMs!!!
Stay vaped!
Mantente de la mente!

 

[Socks And Sandals]

Check this out!

Cannabis Hardware Blog- PID Controllers - Auber or Cannabis Hardware?

As you may be aware, all of our NV/CH devices are enail based. If you do not know what an enail is, it is simply put, a controller and a coil. These two parts have very simple jobs, while controller is in charge of letting power through and controlling the temperature, the coil will be the...

www.newvape.com

I think this should answer a few of your questions.




Would anyone ever be interested in contributing a blog article to the site? A lot of the newbies and FC outsiders just dont know a lot of the stuff discussed here. Let me know if you have any interest!

It did greatly, thank you! I should have gotten around to reading the Faqs first, I know.. I know..

 

[The Stray Fox]

watch your VRod on video!

I have that! I sesh in a room in my basement. It monitors for unwanted visitors like house keepers, nannies, and kids. The door is locked but like I’ve said I forget stuff. I get an alert if something trips the motion or it hears something. Thanks for the idea. I’ll adjusted it to capture any motion that would come from the Vrod..like flames Lastly on this subject, I also have heat/smoke/monoxide detector in the room that sends wireless alerts and can respond to the fire department if the alert goes unanswered. Test your smoke detectors y’all. Everyone please be safe.

 

[Bad Dog]

Anyone else let their coil jump up a little before placing it on the bowl? I typically do , it just seems like if I go straight from the post to the bowl temp is already falling before I start my draw. Feel like I might be getting a truer set temp if I wait 5-10 seconds and let the coil jump up by 15-20 degrees then put it on the bowl. Am I alone in this?

 

[Baron23]

It did greatly, thank you! I should have gotten around to reading the Faqs first, I know.. I know..

IMO, the main and most important factor to consider between the NV controller and Auber (and its not limited to only this binary choice) is the connector type and pin outs.

This goes to ease of finding multiple sources for coils.

The Auber, and a great many (most?) of other controllers, use a full size, five pin, XLR quick disconnect type connector using the "D-nail" pin outs of" 1 and 2 = power +/-, 3 and 4 = thermocouple +/-, and 5 = ground. This general connector type was first developed for the audio industry.

There is NO industry or standards body specification for these pin outs. But the "D-nail" pin outs, in this type of connector, is IMO by far the most common and allow the owner to buy "hot runner" type coils from a wide array of sources.

Other companies...High Five for example....use the same connector but do not use the same pin outs.

As mentioned, some other desirable features of the Auber is the ease of use of the "knob" for function control and that its assembled in Georgia (USA) and has tech support you can actually call on the phone.

And Auber has outstanding documentation on its controller which is rather rare for vape stuff.

The NV controller is a white labeled VapeCode box. There is, IMO, absolutely nothing wrong with NV doing this. They have put out the money and effort to stock this item (from China) for our safety and convenience and they warrant and stand behind it. I think its very wonderful of them to stock a PID rather than just give you a spec and let you shop for yourself.

For reasons that I understand but do not agree with, VapeCode/NV went with a screw on aviation type connector. This connector can, indeed, carry greater current as the pins are more robust. My view, however, is that this added capacity is not needed for this application so, to my mind, it does not convey any realized benefit to the owner.

And, it uses a different pin out.

These two items will limit your sources for compatible coils.

But, to be fair, NV is still stocking and supporting controllers/coils of this type and has been for quite some time. Nobody has ever been stranded by buying NV PID and coil, as far as I know.

But I'm a bit of a standards based/open source kind of guy so I like "specs" that support supply from multiple sources.

I use an Auber with my NV FP SH.

I use NV controllers with my rosin press.

Both work well.

NV has done an outstanding job listing these features and differences here:

Cannabis Hardware Blog- About Enail Pinouts, Connections and Compatibility

There is no

www.newvape.com

Hope this is helpful to you.

 

[swanka]

One of the more interesting things to me about going from an EQ to the FP are how many things I have to unlearn. I should preface this with a disclaimer that I could have been using the EQ wrong all this time so ymmv.

The biggest difference is draw resistance. With the EQ, there was always enough that I couldn't just breath as easily as I wanted so I only got a full lung full if I worked at it. With the FP, I am constantly finding myself with a lung full of vapor, trying to hold it in and failing because I forgot to take the heater off in time and also forgot to stop inhaling.

This could also just be me, but I hardly even cough anymore. I never finished a sesh with the EQ without coughing on almost every screen.

 

[Zoltani]

I still cough sometimes, but that is from bad habits; inhaling too hard and too deeply, mostly. Lately I have been trying to remind myself to take it slow, keep hits medium sized, and inhale gently, it helps a lot.

 

[EmDeemo]

One of the more interesting things to me about going from an EQ to the FP are how many things I have to unlearn. I should preface this with a disclaimer that I could have been using the EQ wrong all this time so ymmv.

The biggest difference is draw resistance. With the EQ, there was always enough that I couldn't just breath as easily as I wanted so I only got a full lung full if I worked at it. With the FP, I am constantly finding myself with a lung full of vapor, trying to hold it in and failing because I forgot to take the heater off in time and also forgot to stop inhaling.

This could also just be me, but I hardly even cough anymore. I never finished a sesh with the EQ without coughing on almost every screen.

 

[YaMon]

Cleaned my bowls, stems, screens and Glass Pieces yesterday which I've done may times before, but it never seems like I've learned my lesson as it always hits especially hard after doing so. Much better air flow; it's amazing how quickly the screens get occluded. I do tend to let the bowls and screens go quite awhile between cleanings.

 

[The Stray Fox]

I couldn’t do this with my old style glass bowl.

 

[RustyOldNail]

I couldn’t do this with my old style glass bowl.

Interesting, so the outside diameter is the same obviously, but the glass is THICKER.

 

[Bad Dog]

Nice hack!

 

[swanka]

I don't know enough to say which is better, but the EQ screens are really doing it for me. They fit right into the shovelhead with the 18mm post. The avb, so long as I don't pack it too much, is completely even despite my lack of ability. I also noticed that I don't even have to fill it to get a good cloud.

Not sure I've seen much said about this, but this is the first vape that that I've used that feels like a medical device. I use MJ for medical purposes first, recreation second and one of the things that irritated me about vaping is how long it took to get through my dose. I explain it like this, can you imagine a pill that took 20 minutes of your day? Now, I get there in one to two little doses that take maybe a minute or two a piece.

After seeing all those heads with concentrate caked inside them, I'm starting to wonder if the inside of my EQ is caked with reclaim and that's why it's not so great these days.