ConVex by Entheos Devices (formerly Tokedvapors)

[TigoleBitties]

I can't answer yet about the PEEK vs ceramic comparison. I've only a tested a PEEK version of v2 so far as I had to design validate the changes first before having the molds for the ceramic pieces made. This is what we are currently waiting on to finish.

What I did mention about the ceramic that I've tested is the new ceramic stem on the existing v1.

Ok I see.

As for the coil efficiency, it's both from a combination of the low-mass high surface area heater and funneling all the heat that the coils release into the material in the bowl via a specifically designed air intake path. Most handheld vapes compensate their inefficient heat transfer with larger coils resulting in a higher energy needed to vaporize the same amount of material..

This makes sense. With such small devices and the heater usually very physically close to the bowl, I didn't expect inefficient heat transfer from coil to bowl to make such a difference given the airpath is so short.

 

[Entheos Hex]

Ok I see.

This makes sense. With such small devices and the heater usually very physically close to the bowl, I didn't expect inefficient heat transfer from coil to bowl because of airpath mechanics to make such a difference.

I'm guessing if you're trying to gain efficiency it does matter but if you just want to get a bowl air fried you can get away with it with just raw power.

 

[BH491]

I can't answer yet about the PEEK vs ceramic comparison. I've only a tested a PEEK version of v2 so far as I had to design validate the changes first before having the molds for the ceramic pieces made. This is what we are currently waiting on to finish.

Will there be the ability to get the peek in v2 at some point? (Its probably cheaper and easier?)


If in the end it doesn't effect flavor too much, and depending how strong zirconia is, i might probably definitely prefer peek for the strength and long term reliability of it without needing to worry about dropping/breaks,
honestly id take a peek stem too, i live remote and like solid things,
Hope at least spare stems will be available, or maybe ill look for something metal or wood.

And definitely hope spare zirconia part of the bowls will be available, especially as the bowls detachable to fill, and at the bottom of the device.

nn

 

[Entheos Hex]

Will there be the ability to get the peek in v2 at some point? (Its probably cheaper and easier?)


If in the end it doesn't effect flavor too much, and depending how strong zirconia is, i might probably definitely prefer peek for the strength and long term reliability of it without needing to worry about dropping/breaks,
honestly id take a peek stem too, i live remote and like solid things,
Hope at least spare stems will be available, or maybe ill look for something metal or wood.

And definitely hope spare zirconia part of the bowls will be available, especially as the bowls detachable to fill, and at the bottom of the device.

nn

PEEK is actually more expensive due to the high cost of the material itself combined with process of CNC machining. Injection molds for plastics are very costly to get made as well.

Ceramic molds are actually cheaper and the per piece cost of the parts are lower as well. A lot of feedback from v1 was the "plastic" vapor path and there was preference for a zero plastic airpath.

Depending on the demand, PEEK variations or any other materials can definitely be possible as an upgrade part.

 

[Just Justin]

I can't answer yet about the PEEK vs ceramic comparison. I've only a tested a PEEK version of v2 so far as I had to design validate the changes first before having the molds for the ceramic pieces made. This is what we are currently waiting on to finish.

What I did mention about the ceramic that I've tested is the new ceramic stem vs glass stem on the existing v1 system.

As for the coil efficiency, it's both from a combination of the low-mass high surface area heater and funneling all the heat that the coils release into the material in the bowl via a specifically designed air intake path. Most handheld vapes compensate their inefficient heat transfer with larger coils resulting in a higher energy needed to vaporize the same amount of material..

Will the V2 feature a Stainless Steel tube that connects the Ceramic Mouthpiece tube to the Ceramic chamber assembly, like the V1? Or Is this piece now built into the ceramic upper or lower portion? It looked like it was built in the mock-up. If it’s built in, I can see this as a potential breakage point. I know Zirconia is a very durable material but having this piece break would render the device inoperable

Also, is the Mouthpiece tube white like the mock-up or black?

 

[havewill1]

I had one of the OG units, since then ive stopped taking part in weed, but the thing was fucking gangster lol, not sure if my comments are somehwere on this thread

 

[TigoleBitties]

the thing was fucking gangster lol,

Gangster is good. I had a look around in the thread and you posted stuff but no real review of how you liked it.

So how gangster was it!?

 

[Entheos Hex]

Will the V2 feature a Stainless Steel tube that connects the Ceramic Mouthpiece tube to the Ceramic chamber assembly, like the V1? Or Is this piece now built into the ceramic upper or lower portion? It looked like it was built in the mock-up. If it’s built in, I can see this as a potential breakage point. I know Zirconia is a very durable material but having this piece break would render the device inoperable

Also, is the Mouthpiece tube white like the mock-up or black?

Yes, that metal piece is still there. It is just attached in a different way to the main body now but still detachable for easy cleaning.

It will also be changed to Aluminum 7075 for better heat transfer as it is actually a heat exchanger between the outgoing vapor and the incoming air going to the coils.

All ceramic pieces that are visible on the exterior including the mouthpiece stem will be offered in black and white color.

 

[Just Justin]

I’ve brought this up before but if anyone has struggled to find a device that vaporizes extracts well, other than a pen or dedicated dab unit, the Convex and Tafè Bowle are amazing extract devices. They are especially great when it comes to traditional extracts, like dry sift and h20 extracts, as they often contain some plant material and typically burn in dab or full conduction unit.

They excel with these substances thanks to their “top-down” heating systems. No longer do you have to worry about extracts leaking into your heater or making a mess because the extract is pulled into a bed of flower or pad/wick etc by your inhalation. Also it’s beneficial having that extreme heat right near the surface where higher temps are required for extracts than flower. I like to fill the bowl with a little ground material, tamp it lightly and top it with extract and turn up the heat. No need to fix it in the flower or anything.

Only issue, don’t overfill with extracts, as sometimes they can bubble up and potentially enter the heater/coil area.

Does anyone vaporize extracts with these devices?

 

[TigoleBitties]

I’ve brought this up before but if anyone has struggled to find a device that vaporizes extracts well, other than a pen or dedicated dab unit, the Convex and Tafè Bowle are amazing extract devices. They are especially great when it comes to traditional extracts, like dry sift and h20 extracts, as they often contain some plant material and typically burn in dab or full conduction unit.

They excel with these substances thanks to their “top-down” heating systems. No longer do you have to worry about extracts leaking into your heater or making a mess because the extract is pulled into a bed of flower or pad/wick etc by your inhalation. Also it’s beneficial having that extreme heat right near the surface where higher temps are required for extracts than flower. I like to fill the bowl with a little ground material, tamp it lightly and top it with extract and turn up the heat. No need to fix it in the flower or anything.

Only issue, don’t overfill with extracts, as sometimes they can bubble up and potentially enter the heater/coil area.

Does anyone vaporize extracts with these devices?

I haven't yet tried extracts with the TB2 (don't have the Convex) simply because as you said, it extracts so well to begin with so I've been very pleased with just ground flower.

I have some rosin and soft dry sift hash on hand that I would like to try with it by placing some of these concentrates on a bed of flower. I agree that the top-down heater design is nice since as you've mentioned, any leakage or mess will just be left in the stem and won't potentially gunk up the device.

 

[Just Justin]

I haven't yet tried extracts with the TB2 (don't have the Convex) simply because as you said, it extracts so well to begin with so I've been very pleased with just ground flower.

I have some rosin and soft dry sift hash on hand that I would like to try with it by placing some of these concentrates on a bed of flower. I agree that the top-down heater design is nice since as you've mentioned, any leakage or mess will just be left in the stem and won't potentially gunk up the device.

i would recommend it with either device, both are amazing!

On a separate note, they’re many good ways to cool the vapor in the Convex, although I find the vapor to be much smoother and less irritating than the Venty for example, which I also love. Anyways, my set up uses the screen “plugs” from the Angus 2 stem and I sandwich a bunch of Ruby pearls between those as the Angus plugs fit the Convex stem perfectly. I also use a titanium spiral from Rogue Wax Works that’s designed for the Condensor Tube of the DynaVap devices, which fits snugly in the stainless steel connector tube if the Convex. It adds a bit of draw resistance but rips smooth.

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[Entheos Hex]

I’ve brought this up before but if anyone has struggled to find a device that vaporizes extracts well, other than a pen or dedicated dab unit, the Convex and Tafè Bowle are amazing extract devices. They are especially great when it comes to traditional extracts, like dry sift and h20 extracts, as they often contain some plant material and typically burn in dab or full conduction unit.

They excel with these substances thanks to their “top-down” heating systems. No longer do you have to worry about extracts leaking into your heater or making a mess because the extract is pulled into a bed of flower or pad/wick etc by your inhalation. Also it’s beneficial having that extreme heat right near the surface where higher temps are required for extracts than flower. I like to fill the bowl with a little ground material, tamp it lightly and top it with extract and turn up the heat. No need to fix it in the flower or anything.

Only issue, don’t overfill with extracts, as sometimes they can bubble up and potentially enter the heater/coil area.

Does anyone vaporize extracts with these devices?

is the concentrates experience in the Convex comparable to the effect from dedicated concentrate devices?

 

[Shit Snacks]

is the concentrates experience in the Convex comparable to the effect from dedicated concentrate devices?

Most dedicated concentrate devices use conduction, using pure convection is its own experience really, so I think the effects are a bit different... types of concentrate too

 

[Just Justin]

is the concentrates experience in the Convex comparable to the effect from dedicated concentrate devices?

I would agree with Shit Snacks, it’s a different experience and effect using the Convex for concentrates. With a dedicated concentrate unit, you get more at once and it’s quite intense and powerful but with the Convex, it’s a gentler effect and your taking more draws to extract the same amount of material. The Convex still provides a powerful effect with concentrates, especially if you turn up the heat a little and bring the material as close to the coil as possible and the flavor is amazing. Really looking forward to trying the Zirconia and seeing how that compares, should provide cooler Vapir and better vapor / taste I imagine?

Most dry sift and some H2O extracts are difficult with a dab unit unless you’re using a lower temp because they don’t fully melt away like rosin, batters, sauces etc and leave material behind, so they often burn and is the reason why they are so tricky to vaporize without a lot of mess and cleanup afterwards.