bigger desktop vapes (transitioning into vaping)

[aquabats]

Hi,
First time posting in FC.

Mid-to-high tolerance smoker, looking to purchase a higher end vape.

I don't have much experience in vaping, I've only tried my friend's MFLB and the older model iolite a handful of times. Both of these portable units turned me away from vaping because I felt like I never got that "high" compared to the traditional way of smoking via bong/pipe/etc.


Now as I understand a bit more about vaporizers.. I'm looking to purchase a good desktop unit to transition me into vaping. After reading through what felt like a mountain of information, I've gathered that the best desktop units for my situation would be a 7th floor vape or a CRZ

My question is, how do these desktop vapes such as the SSV/LSV/CRZ compare to the high you get from the portable vapes (MFLB/iolite)?
And also, how does the SSV/LSV/CRZ compare to a combustion bong hit?

..if I can get close to that highness you get from taking a bong rip, I really am interested in purchasing a good vape, in addition to the abundance of health benefits.

any feedback would be appreciated.

 

[treecityrnd]

Aquabats...thats really the name you decided on...oh man . Now I'm going to be singing Pool Party all night .

The SSV/LSV/DBV/EQ are in completely different categories than the CRZ/PD/UD/HI log-style vaporizers. Now it's just a matter of searching. This same question is asked at least once a week here on FC. You are going to get at least 50 different opinions. IMO you can't get any bigger than the 7th Floor products...most meds in the "chamber", variable temps so you can start off at a high temp if you're switching from combusting, the LSV is portable and perfect for water pieces, and it has all glass connections. But I've also love my log vapes. And like most here on FC, I keep collecting and selling vapes. Maybe there is a perfect vape for me, but I'm not sure. But it's a fun ride.

I guess in short...LSV But have fun and I'm glad you are switching to a healthier alternative than smoke.

I am powdered milk man!

Edit: Any vapes I have listed above will blow the doors off the MFLB and expecially Iolite...IMHO.

 

[Nycdeisel]

I personally dont even get any effect from smoking anymore cause its so weak. But keep in mind i do not favor the high from the toxic combustion by products, which you likely still do because you have not converted to vaping even a little more then half the time so you can not yet distinguish between effects of smoke and the effects of the herb on its own. Its a different high and you can very easily adjust. You will notice it is actually more potent then smoking. but if you smoke all the time you may not notice since youre not used to it.

I believe that one can just as much out a MFLB as you can out of an LSV, but in very different ways of course.

An LSV is a serious vaporizer, it can give some humongous rips, and can be used with glass pieces, like the CRZ can.

My personal favorite is the CRZ, but that is me and it does everything I need. The LSV is great for a huge lung busting vapor bong rips but i dont often crave such an intense hit, It would probably lead you on a good path being that it is able to produce such a hit and you are having trouble with the kick.

However, using the CRZ is easier to get larger hits then it is off the MFLB, but keep in mind the mflb just has a little more of a learning curve then SOME other vaporizers. Each vape requires a learning process, that is careful and deliberate, and it will take some time. big factors that contribute with a hit from just about any vape include the moisture level of the herb, the grind consistency, the strain, the way in which you pull to take a hit, etc. for example: the MFLB likes a very very fine grind, finer then most of the vapes out there, you want it very dry and close to powder form. Herb that is more dry will grind easier fyi.

It really does depends what you are looking for though. if you like glass parts and large cloudy hits then go for an LSV. keep in mind that the log vapes like the CRZ are more efficient, meaning you can use a very small amount for one 'bowl' and still got some tasty vapor/ vapor bong rips. no other vape could produce so much so efficiently out of so little.

 

[weedemon]

Hi,
Mid-to-high tolerance smoker, looking to purchase a higher end vape.

Now as I understand a bit more about vaporizers.. I'm looking to purchase a good desktop unit to transition me into vaping. After reading through what felt like a mountain of information, I've gathered that the best desktop units for my situation would be a 7th floor vape or a CRZ

My question is, how do these desktop vapes such as the SSV/LSV/CRZ compare to the high you get from the portable vapes (MFLB/iolite)?
And also, how does the SSV/LSV/CRZ compare to a combustion bong hit?

..if I can get close to that highness you get from taking a bong rip, I really am interested in purchasing a good vape, in addition to the abundance of health benefits.

I think I was in a similar boat as you are now. Personally i consider myself a higher tolerance user. My values for cannabis extraction are : flavour, density, health (what the vape is made of, how it works, biological health benefits from vapor implied) efficiency (if the vape can go though the spectrum of cannabinoids to release them all, or if it is temp fixed and only going to go so far.)

Portable units don't hit like desktops, it's true. the desktops are much more powerful and can produce coughing fits even from seasoned smokers (the don't realize how much they are getting, because they don't feel it as they do smoke entering their lungs)

but I wanted to point out that the high from vapor is different than the high from smoke. my guess is you are used to the high from smoke and you will never achieve that exact same high from vapor.

the high from vapor is much more clean and pure. (as is the vapor itself) i find i don't get burnt out from vapor as I do from smoking.

there are over 100 different chemicals found in smoke. where as there are less than 10 in vapor.

Heavy desktop Vs Portable VS a combustion bong hit
VS portable : the hits are thicker, sometimes tastier and are able to get you much more ripped due to the concentration. don't get me wrong. if you vaped with a portable and went though the same amount as your desktop would have used. you will also be really ripped. here is where the desktop shines.
It is able to get to hotter temps than the portables generally can and therefore will release cbd, more readily.

Vs combustion.
this is vapor vs smoke. so i feel that's enough right there! both will get you extremely ripped. I think it's actually easy for smokers to turn green when using a good desktop vape. you don't realize how high you are getting until it's too late cause you are looking for the smokers high (all the others that re in smoke instead of only the few actives that we are targeting with vapor), not a thc cbd, cbn high.


as for health(one year of total conversion to vapor, vaped and combusted for 3 years prior, combusted for another 7 years every day before i discovered vapor) I have since lost my wheeze that i had from every day smoking. i no longer cough up that dark loogie first thing in the morning. I notice on hikes and runs that my lungs are in much better shape.

keep you ABV/AVB (Already been vaped/Already vaped bud) [w/e you wanna call it.]

the SSV was my favourite of all i have listed below (the cops took it from me a few weeks ago)

if you have any more q's I'm happy to help.

 

[aquabats]

Thank you all for such detailed responses. Seems like such a good community here at FC.


That being said, it feels like like the consensus is... yes, good desktop vapes can achieve similar levels of highness as a bong hit.
I'm heavily leaning toward the LSV now because of the water pipe adapter, as a do have a glass collection being that I am a combuster :/ haha

my other question is, does the LSV/SSV get hot enough to vape concentrates? can it vape hash? and/or is it able to handle wax/budder/oil if i topped off bowls with them?

 

[Stu]

Yes.

 

[treecityrnd]

my other question is, does the LSV/SSV get hot enough to vape concentrates? can it vape hash? and/or is it able to handle wax/budder/oil if i topped off bowls with them?

Yup. That's its main function at my place. Log during the day, LSV at night usually topped off with some hash or " dark oil" as we call it.

 

[J.R.R.Tokin']

You got some great responses there aquabat. I just want to add my about converting from smoke to vapor.

Give it time! At first you will think that you are not getting as high. Even when using a heavy hitter like the LSV the high wont be the same as combusting. I estimate it took me about 2-3 weeks before my body fully adjusted to vapor and I was getting the full spectrum of desired feelings. If you keep combusting while making the transition to vapor I think it will make that period last longer (IMO)

The beauty of vaporizing IMO, aside from the health benefits vs smoking, is that it gives you a much greater control over the kind of effects you get. You can use very low temps and take just a puff or two and feel a slight relaxing and easing of tension. Up the temp a bit for those anti-anxiety properties all the way up to a full-spectrum hit at a high temp to make yourself cross-eyed and couch-locked

You seem to have done a bit of reading and have a decent idea of what you want. My advise is to read through any thread of the vapes your interested in. Weigh up how, when etc you use and match that criteria to a vape. Just don't be surprised if you end up a reluctant vape collector like many people here on FC.

 

[OhTheAgony]

May I suggest looking in to the Vapocane since you're a glass-lover and you already own a few pieces?

It provides the thickest vapor hits and the cleanest taste I've experienced so far, and the way you use it isn't all that different from taking a bong hit. If you don't mind handling a large torch you could really enjoy this one I think, and it only costs a fraction of the other vapes you're looking at.

Vapocane thread

 

[weedemon]

the SSV had the downward angled heat post. (part of the design) and this means it;s great to load in hash kief etc!!! it hits for a long time with hash! you will probably want to dump it out and switch to herbs just to mix it up before the hash is actually all done. it hits for that long... im telling you

depends on how much you put in though. load in a 0.5-1 g and you will be laughin.

have you heard of the vape exhale cloud? it's not out yet, but look at it if you are interested in the future of vapor!

 

[technique]

Hi mate i'm an ex smoker myself and to add a few points from my own experience.

1. It takes a little time to for your body/mind adjust to the vapor high and even this is only really achieved by quitting the smoke for a while.

2. To give up smoking i feel you need a thick vapor as i had tried other vapes but it took the SSV to satisfy my need for a smoke like sensation specially in my lungs.

3. A temperature controlled vape is better to try and achieve the smoke like high.


I have never tried the CRZ or the LSV but i gave up smoking when i got my SSV. The journey into vaping has been incredible and i have rediscovered weed completely, the high is in a league of its own honestly and you will not regret giving up the bong at all after the initial adjustment period.


Things i love about my SSV (not to say other vapes will fail on these)
Great flavour
Thick vapor if i desire (i think it is king for this one)
conservation (i recently posted how it can floor me with 0.025g and i am a mid range user)
milks my big bong out like a champ
the whip makes some lovely wand hash
can use it for hash, concentrates, keif
temperature control allows me to contol my high as well as making sure i get everything from the bud.


My friend and i both quit smoking and bought SSV's together and we find it hard to enjoy lesser vapes after driving this baby.

 

[OhTheAgony]

Just a quickie, but I have to disagree on the conservation part when it comes to the SSV.

I found it very unsatisfying to use with anything less than 0,2gram without modification. It actually tripled my herb consumption compared to when I used to smoke joints or compared to other vapes I've tried since.

 

[vorrange]

I am still in my transition, didnt shake the tobacco habit 100%.

I dunno about your habits, but one of the things that bothered me about vaporizing was that you have to have a portable if you want to vape outside your home. But the desktop's are easily better in many aspects.

There are stores that you can get ssv+mflb or dbv+mflb, which is not such a bad idea, since if you only get a desktop, you will tend to smoke when you are outside..

About the differences, i'm somewhat new here, but from ALL i have reade the past year, the answers you got are just about the sum of it.

Also, there are two others things in desktop vapes i think are important and don't get mentioned: ease of assembling pre-vape and ease of packing post vape, and also the size. In the desktop vapes, there are many different sizes. In portable it is usually, it fits in your hand, it fits in your pocket, it fits in a bag.

 

[Seek]

vorrange: MFLB with PA does a great job challenging your idea.

 

[vorrange]

Even taste wise?

 

[Seek]

For a non glass vape it taste great. There's nothing that gets heater other than the heater itself and herbs. And when it's resinous... ...well even glass vapes smell when resinous.

 

[Peloton]

Well, thats all subjective on the taste. The LB properly used with the PA can provide tasty hits, also thicker hits... really diversifies the launch box IMO. However, I myself would not recommend PAMFLB to the OP for his current wants. I also think a log vape would be better suited in this situation.

 

[vorrange]

Although subjective i can feel the wood in my vaporgenie, and from the accounts from mflb users, the taste is different from a glass path or parcial glass path vape.

I'm just stating that with a mflb alone, maybe he'll still feel the need for something more, as we can see from all the forum users who use the mflb daily but also use other vapes who complement it.

I myself will problably be getting one of these babies. But i wouldn't find it is a substitute and i find i wouldn't cater all my needs.