Orvaxxx
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Same date for Europe? Last time it took a while.
AirVape Legacy Pro
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it's a soft adapter.
seedy53
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then it's foam not silicone?
ANY MORE NEWS ON new dose caps arrival and new Endo desktop unit launch??
Pukka
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Not AirVape, but ... very firm except for the 10mm portion (which I may remove). Fits and seals well over the zirc mouthpiece. So far it's much more useful than the GonG adapter (for me).
seedy53
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so you got your? DOES ALP WOBBLE LIKE GLASS DID WHEN PLACED ON A BONG. forgive the cap lock, i'm lazy typer
Pukka
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W/18mm fitment - rock steady
W/14mm fitment - a tiny bit of rock, maybe 2.5°
W/10mm fitment - didn't try, couldn't find my 10mm Zong
Unless you consider all silicon to be soft (which it is compaired to the GonG) this is a pretty firm adapter in my experience. Compaired to my Mighty silicon adapter, which bends and comes disengaged all the time, this little nugget works a dream. And once I find a scalpel and amputate the 10mm step it's small enough to toss in my carry bag.
edit: spelling
Silicone. Same as most of those multi adaptors
hinglemccringleberry
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To anyone who has one of the vgoodiez glass stems (either the spiked one or the ruby one), do you think it's worth it?
I've been thoroughly enjoying my ALP which has become my daily driver. The only time I sense any harshness in the vapor is the last few hits of a load at 420F (215c) and up. Do you still pick up some harshness at those high temps even with the upgraded glass tube?
If so, I'll probably pass on them...since they take longer to clean and tighten the draw resistance..
I've been thoroughly enjoying my ALP which has become my daily driver. The only time I sense any harshness in the vapor is the last few hits of a load at 420F (215c) and up. Do you still pick up some harshness at those high temps even with the upgraded glass tube?
If so, I'll probably pass on them...since they take longer to clean and tighten the draw resistance..
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MidwestMelancholy
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I have just been using a dab cap (v4 I think) Fits perfectly on the AVLP and seals with a little pressure. Fits every water pipe I have come across.
seedy53
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did not effect draw resistance. i love the 2 ruby tube i swap when i change battery. but you need to clean it often thats why i bought 2. you can make a better one on your own go look "tabletop bongs" youtube channel on alp hacks. need 11 -4mm rubys and 6 -3mm beads or vise versa. watch his video.
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seedy53
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Conduction, hybrid, convection heating needs to be explained better.
many Vaporizers today claims they are 100% CONVECTION'
I think that far from being accurate.
Conduction heat comes from the heater coil, the oven does not touch the coil but fresh air passes over the hot coil into the oven holding the weed or glass stem we call that convection.
In the strictest since you use both conduction and convection.
These heating terms are not exactly untrue but far from accurate. that's why now we should call this hybrid heating.
Anyway that's the way i understand it .
Simplified: Fresh air is passed over a hot conduction coil(s) to be heated and then hot air travels through the weed chamber(s) , cooking the weed components into gas/vapor which then goes into the cooling apparatus(s) to the mouth. So conduction and convection is the hybrid that most vaps use despite what the ads say.
Am i mistaken?
many Vaporizers today claims they are 100% CONVECTION'
I think that far from being accurate.
Conduction heat comes from the heater coil, the oven does not touch the coil but fresh air passes over the hot coil into the oven holding the weed or glass stem we call that convection.
In the strictest since you use both conduction and convection.
These heating terms are not exactly untrue but far from accurate. that's why now we should call this hybrid heating.
Anyway that's the way i understand it .
Simplified: Fresh air is passed over a hot conduction coil(s) to be heated and then hot air travels through the weed chamber(s) , cooking the weed components into gas/vapor which then goes into the cooling apparatus(s) to the mouth. So conduction and convection is the hybrid that most vaps use despite what the ads say.
Am i mistaken?
I feel like you are mistaken. While convection cooking can have some incidental conduction from surfaces that touch your material, that does not make it hybrid heating. Consider the tinymight, which has no "oven". The heater is placed below a screen and hot air is pulled through the screen across your grass.
On the other end, the pan of a vapman is heated by a torch and heat is conducted from the pan into the material. It does not matter if you draw, vapor will be extracted.
Hybrids are more common because they can be tasty and it is easy for a novice to get good vapor. Most of these have a heating element that directly touches the chamber as well as a mechanism to draw air through the heater and into the chamber. It also tends to make the duff a unified color, for those who care about that.
Obviously designs differ, but I think you are mistaken in this description especially:
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hinglemccringleberry
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Convection cooking plus incidental conduction most certainly does make it a hybrid. I mean, that's what hybrid vapor is. If you ignore whatever the vape manufacturer claims it is, and instead look at what is actually happening, then you see that a vape like the AVLP and Roffu (with metal chamber) are hybrid vapes (at least in session mode they are), because right after you turn the unit off and take a draw, you get vapor (I've done it on both.)
Whereas my Milaana and Sticky Brick are 100% convection, which we know because you will not get anything if you take a draw from it while the heater is disengaged right after the previous hit.
The incidental conduction that I meant would be from the screen in your milaana. That doesn't directly touch the heater mesh, but it can be heated by the hot air. That can add some very minor conduction. I do not think that makes it a hybrid for the same reason you do. No air = no vapor.
seedy53
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this is what is confusing conduction is made by a coil if it touched the oven then its pure conduction but if there is a air gap from the coil and chamber then it's a hybrid. but how do you heat air without conduction device of some sort? What is used to heat the air? something that uses conduction, right?
Radiation heat from a halogen light bulb or laxer is the only thing i can think of?
Radiation heat from a halogen light bulb or laxer is the only thing i can think of?
lazylathe
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In my opinion it is how the actual load is heated.
We are heating cannabis flower and how it is heated is what is import6, not the heating mechanism.
If you have a bowl that is remote from the heat source and is vaporized by a stream of hot air, that is convection heating.
When you have your bowl in the actual heater and it all needs to be heated up to vaporization temps, then it is conduction heating.
The Mighty is a good example of "Hybrid" technology.
Air is heated via convection and through conduction from the metal bowl as well as the capsule. It has a very unique vapor signature.
We are heating cannabis flower and how it is heated is what is import6, not the heating mechanism.
If you have a bowl that is remote from the heat source and is vaporized by a stream of hot air, that is convection heating.
When you have your bowl in the actual heater and it all needs to be heated up to vaporization temps, then it is conduction heating.
The Mighty is a good example of "Hybrid" technology.
Air is heated via convection and through conduction from the metal bowl as well as the capsule. It has a very unique vapor signature.
seedy53
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same for the alp. how is it heated ? what heats the air?
conduction has to do it unless it uses radiation heat. too many vaps play fast and loose with the terms. why would convection 100% vaps said to be pure be superior to hybrid? anyway this is wonky
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lazylathe
Almost there...
It's a flavor thing.
Convection is far superior tasting to plain conduction.
Hybrid is a good in-between style of heating utilizing both technologies.
I agree it is mostly for flavor, but there are also very tasty pure conduction vapes (vapman, BAK). For me I typically prefer my weed touching nothing but air and glass, but there are great exceptions.
I also agree it is wonky and probably not useful to most vapers. But these distinctions are useful when talking abouy vapes in general and the heating technology they use.
hinglemccringleberry
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When using on demand mode on a fresh load, if you begin inhaling the moment it hits 400F (which takes around 21 seconds from power-on), and shut the unit off as soon as you're done with the 15-20 second hit, do you get thick substantial vapor? Or do you get a light wispy hit?
Asking for a friend who only uses his ALP in session mode...
Asking for a friend who only uses his ALP in session mode...
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seedy53
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i get a nice thick hit with my alp after shut off
i don't have Milaana and Sticky Brick but amazed after turning power off there is no vapor left over or residual heat. i want do know how that is done i really would be grateful how this technically happens? how is the air heated to high temps? what mech can do this?
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hinglemccringleberry
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Just tried on demand mode. I don't really see the point. If you just want 1-2 quick hits, the vape heats up so fast .you might as well just use session mode and turn it off when you're done. Same thing.. it's an issue of do you want to hold the button down, or do you want to press it 3x...
seedy53
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i use session. i'm curious about why there is pure convection and i say they are hybrids if you get technical
I think most of the residual heat is controlled by bowl material and placement relative to the heat source. In the SB, the bowl is wood and the heat is a flame high above a glass tube into the bowl. So only heated air travels to the weed. The heat does not do much to raise the temperature of the wood, which is an excellent insulator.
The Milaana is a folded mesh placed below a glass bowl. Typically a glass stem is loaded with your material. Again, only air from the heater moves through the weed. Glass is also an excellent insulator and does not hold much residual heat.
I'd say there is no substitute for experience. I recommend trying a pure convection device if you can.
(Probably should quit this topic now as we are far off from the AVLP)