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well they sell the one that just has the whip (v-tower) and i can get it for 175 shipped. and for the DBV i can find that for 145 shipped with a free grinder. would your answer sitll be the same if it was just whip to whip?? so as mark said lets see some head to head.

ok so i dont really care about the bag on the extreme so i was wondering what you guys think. this forum seems to ahve a great amount of knowledgeable people with these things so what do you guys thing??? dbv orrrrrrr v-tower