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Thx for the correction. I much prefer the pax2

I think it has to do with conduction (pax) vs convection (mflb)

@Ratchett Your odor proof caps for the pax2 work flawlessly. I highly recommend them to anyone wanting to close the gap on stealthy. Kudos brother!

One other major observation: The pax2's efficiency is its most notable achievement IMO. For the same chamber size albeit a different shape than the pax1 I've noticed more even abv and an increase in my total draws to exactraction. This to me is a significant improvement worth the investment over...

I personally think the finishing grinder is too fine for the pax. A medium grind is fine with a couple of tamps. A brick is to tight IMO but don't "loose leaf" it either.

Here's a few observations that stood out to me immediately after spending the afternoon with my new p2: -I took the old p1 charger and unfastened the pin from the base and plugged that into the dock of the new p2 charger. There's a pin dock there I wasn't expecting. -I find the "lay me down"...

My faith in Ploom has been restored! We have come to a compromise I believe to be very fair. Seriously, they should get a medal for their fantastic customer service!

Yep. That's exactly how I feel. Hopefully we'll come to some resolution. Thanks for understanding. mod note: edited to fix broken quote

I appreciate your thoughtful response. What was interesting is that the first time they offered me an $80 discount I respectfully declined because I hadn't kept up with the pax2 reviews. I wrote it off because of my experience with the ongoing mouthpiece issues with the pax1. In between emails I...

It's basically a flawed design that works and doesn't work. They have serviced the unit multiple times, replaced the unit and have furnished me with an extra mouthpiece that doesn't work any better. The bottom line is the pax2 is precisely what the pax1 isn't. Because of the ongoing problems...

I didn't plan on selling it. I merely pointed out its monetary value. Yes you don't get it. It's not a fantastic offer simply because it's actually not a discount when you do the math. That's why it's upsetting. If the value of the pax1 is roughly $125 for arguments sake. Then giving them that...

You are wrong they don't owe me an explanation. They do if they care about customer loyalty. However the reason you offered would be at least a *reasonable* response.

Listen, you've offered no logical reason as to why they would require me to give up a unit in order to get a discount on a new unit. I said it leads me to think. No conspiracy. I'm struggling to find a coherent reason. You've offered none. That's cool. I appreciate your 2 cents, but it wasn't...

They claimed it was a CUSTOMER LOYALTY discount, not a REPLACEMENT DISCOUNT. In fact, it was a few interactions after they offered the $80 discount. Imagine they offer you a discount, you say yea lets do it and then they say oh and by the way you need to send us your PAX1 in order to get the...

Skirting the issue IMO. There should be *no reason* whatsoever to give it up in the first place, agree or disagree? Can you think of one valid reason? Also, it also still holds a monetary value I love the vape. Incessant meaning the mouthpiece sticks a lot. Not meaning it's unusable. Jack...

I appreciate your opinion but similar to the response of Ploom there is no logical reason being offered. Consider this: you're unhappy with a product and they respond with we'll give you an $80 discount on our newest product. You say ok that sounds like you care about customer loyalty. They...

After multiple email interactions Pax is still insisting I return my pax 1 in order to get a $80 discount on a pax 2. They continue to state it's to e-waste the pax 1. This continues to make no sense whatsoever. Outside of this no logical reason is being offered why an $80 discount will cost me...

My apologies if this has already been raised/discussed. I contacted PAX about my PAX 1 and how disappointed I feel about the incessant problems I've had with the mouthpiece. I inquired about the PAX2 and they offered me an $80 discount which I thought was very well meaning until they asked me to...

Do you find performance/taste differences between the two units? The Mighty would have to be part electric razor, part vibrator for me to spend the money having a crafty!

I have to counterbalance the stealth factor of the Crafty though. The Mighty seems a bit to well um mighty for my liking.