xbigxunitx
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For instance why does the tiny might 2 get you higher then the mighty+ or even lower end vapes. Don't they all essentially do the same thing?
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why do different vapes get you higher
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biohacker
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What is a vape "Signature" and how are they different?
I hear this expression quite a bit and I'm not always certain how to apply it. I suspect this may be one of those terms that different people apply somewhat differently which makes it more of a challenge to have a precise definition. I have only really used 3 vapes regularly and tried 1 other...
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hoptimum
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Vaporizers do not, per se, get you high. Cannabis does.
However, some vaporizers are more efficient than others.
Shit Snacks
Milaana. Lana. LANA. LANAAAA! (TM2/TP80/BAK/FW9)
Aside from this being completely relative and subjective, not a universal truth, there are many factors across different types of vapes, which you will learn the more you research. Aside from having different extraction styles, between convection, conduction, hybrid, on demand, session style, other differences include temperature range and settings, air flow, which relates to the heating tech between convection and conduction, chamber load and materials along with the pathway the vapor would travel as well... Furthermore you can look at the literal power level, the wattage that is drawn by the heating element, in addition to the design and size of the heating element, again depending what type of extraction it is using... TM is pretty pure convection on demand with a full temp range and strong power level, good heater and mass, strong air flow since that is what is creating the vapor as you inhale, and you get to use glass stems for a variety of chamber and pathway options with multi connectivity and easy cleaning to keep pure. The thing about getting you higher, being relative and subjective, there is another factor of vapor signature in general and new piece tolerance. In the sense they do the same thing, but they all do it in widely different ways, can be a bit overwhelming to find the one that will be right for you, often involves a compromise or multiple in rotation
Pistol Pete
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I00% agree with "multiple in rotation". Life is to short for compromises! 
Flotsam
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It would seem if the goal is to completely extract all the active & inactive THC products and deliver to the end user. This can be accomplished in a varying manner by different devices. A higher end device can do this with more precision and reliability in most cases. So the engineering that provides the heat delivery can be more accurate and more consistent.
Higher end devices can also accomplish this goal without introducing their own coloration or off taste. Battery conservation and effectiveness are also more highly refined.
Higher end devices can also accomplish this goal without introducing their own coloration or off taste. Battery conservation and effectiveness are also more highly refined.
There's a lot of things that have to be balanced well to make a good vape. If you really just wanted to get the most effect possible from the raw material, you would probably want to just bake it in a sealed container and eat it. Or extract it and put it in a cartridge. But most of us would be more interested in something that is enjoyable to use: good flavor, cool/comfortable vapor, adjustable, easy use/cleaning, efficient, safe, etc.
That said, its not necessary to over-complicate things, at least for a desktop. Log vapes are proof of that, just put a heating element in a tube, protect with a wood shell, apply the right amount of power to reach the temperature range you are looking for, and inhale the hot air through the herb in another tube. Can't get much simpler, but still very effective.
As far as the subjective feeling that one vape gives stronger effects, I think a lot of it has to do with the speed of extraction. Lot of people seem to prefer faster, bigger hits. Realistically, most of the flavor is gone pretty quick with slow extractors, its the most volatile after all. And I tend to just toss the herb if it tastes bad or the vapor slows, even though there is probably some actives left. With a more powerful device, you can take it all down in just a few hits. I find that to be a better balance of flavor/efficiency, and like the experience of taking in the whole range of a small amount of herb in one go better.
Getting that power in a portable is a lot more challenging than a plug-in, too, I think. If it's at home, what's the difference if you have to let it warm up for 5, 10 minutes before use? That allows for storing a lot of heat, see ball vapes, logs, or any vaporizer that performs better after a good "heat soak". In a portable that needs to be relatively efficient on batteries, and fast to heat up, that's not really an option. So you need a relatively extreme design in order to make the most of the energy available, but keep up with a heavy hit: a very powerful heating element with low mass. The control on that has to be pretty tight and super reliable, or you could combust, and maybe more than just the herb.
That said, its not necessary to over-complicate things, at least for a desktop. Log vapes are proof of that, just put a heating element in a tube, protect with a wood shell, apply the right amount of power to reach the temperature range you are looking for, and inhale the hot air through the herb in another tube. Can't get much simpler, but still very effective.
As far as the subjective feeling that one vape gives stronger effects, I think a lot of it has to do with the speed of extraction. Lot of people seem to prefer faster, bigger hits. Realistically, most of the flavor is gone pretty quick with slow extractors, its the most volatile after all. And I tend to just toss the herb if it tastes bad or the vapor slows, even though there is probably some actives left. With a more powerful device, you can take it all down in just a few hits. I find that to be a better balance of flavor/efficiency, and like the experience of taking in the whole range of a small amount of herb in one go better.
Getting that power in a portable is a lot more challenging than a plug-in, too, I think. If it's at home, what's the difference if you have to let it warm up for 5, 10 minutes before use? That allows for storing a lot of heat, see ball vapes, logs, or any vaporizer that performs better after a good "heat soak". In a portable that needs to be relatively efficient on batteries, and fast to heat up, that's not really an option. So you need a relatively extreme design in order to make the most of the energy available, but keep up with a heavy hit: a very powerful heating element with low mass. The control on that has to be pretty tight and super reliable, or you could combust, and maybe more than just the herb.
Flotsam
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Your 3rd paragraph strikes me as an excellent observation for most people that grew up smoking cannabis first. My first consumption of a large bong hit and the immense rush that subsequently followed was almost 45 years ago. Few vapes can come close to that but that is what we strive to do. And frequently it's the flavor and taste that goes first. A higher quality vaporizer seems to retain that flavor while still packing a punch.There's a lot of things that have to be balanced well to make a good vape. If you really just wanted to get the most effect possible from the raw material, you would probably want to just bake it in a sealed container and eat it. Or extract it and put it in a cartridge. But most of us would be more interested in something that is enjoyable to use: good flavor, cool/comfortable vapor, adjustable, easy use/cleaning, efficient, safe, etc.
That said, its not necessary to over-complicate things, at least for a desktop. Log vapes are proof of that, just put a heating element in a tube, protect with a wood shell, apply the right amount of power to reach the temperature range you are looking for, and inhale the hot air through the herb in another tube. Can't get much simpler, but still very effective.
As far as the subjective feeling that one vape gives stronger effects, I think a lot of it has to do with the speed of extraction. Lot of people seem to prefer faster, bigger hits. Realistically, most of the flavor is gone pretty quick with slow extractors, its the most volatile after all. And I tend to just toss the herb if it tastes bad or the vapor slows, even though there is probably some actives left. With a more powerful device, you can take it all down in just a few hits. I find that to be a better balance of flavor/efficiency, and like the experience of taking in the whole range of a small amount of herb in one go better.
Getting that power in a portable is a lot more challenging than a plug-in, too, I think. If it's at home, what's the difference if you have to let it warm up for 5, 10 minutes before use? That allows for storing a lot of heat, see ball vapes, logs, or any vaporizer that performs better after a good "heat soak". In a portable that needs to be relatively efficient on batteries, and fast to heat up, that's not really an option. So you need a relatively extreme design in order to make the most of the energy available, but keep up with a heavy hit: a very powerful heating element with low mass. The control on that has to be pretty tight and super reliable, or you could combust, and maybe more than just the herb.
RAMMSTEIN
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Yes, there are differences... Even if they all produce vapor and taste more or less similar or sometimes different...
I've tried a few vaporizers and I find that each one gets you high in its own way.
For example, I wasn't satisfied with the Crafty / Mighty... In the first few minutes, I barely felt anything, and only after 30 minutes did the high kick in.
With the Solo 3, it's completely different... You feel something after just 1–2 minutes, and after 5 minutes you're already high. I find the high much more intense than with the Mighty.
Even a Dynavap can hit hard with just 0.05g.
My Roffu, for example, is a very inconspicuous vaporizer — I call it the mini TM2... because it packs a punch, and I feel the effects after just 2–3 minutes.
And a ball vape is on a whole different level... It hits you immediately after the first draw — BAM.
I've tried a few vaporizers and I find that each one gets you high in its own way.
For example, I wasn't satisfied with the Crafty / Mighty... In the first few minutes, I barely felt anything, and only after 30 minutes did the high kick in.
With the Solo 3, it's completely different... You feel something after just 1–2 minutes, and after 5 minutes you're already high. I find the high much more intense than with the Mighty.
Even a Dynavap can hit hard with just 0.05g.
My Roffu, for example, is a very inconspicuous vaporizer — I call it the mini TM2... because it packs a punch, and I feel the effects after just 2–3 minutes.
And a ball vape is on a whole different level... It hits you immediately after the first draw — BAM.
BeltedCoyote
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Agreed. Heck, there are differences in styles of ball vapes.
Lord knows my vapman and dynavaps are noticeably different flavors of conduction. Dyynavap effects hit pretty quick. Vapman kicks in at the end of the session but its great.
Zx is instant. Flowerkettle is on the second draw. Minivap is about halfway through the session.
Love them all. And love that they have different "flavors"