Tornado by Vestratto

hotmeals

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I'm a fan of using concentrates and flower together, and with the way my induction heater is designed I can only heat the tip with the top of the tornado chamber facing down. I'm worried about the risk of having concentrates seeping downward and damaging/ruining something. How do I mitigate this issue when using the induction heater?
I feel like there is nothing thay could get damaged from leaking concentrate. It will just get messy.
I think the click discs could potentially get messed up if it leaks out the bowl's air intakes and all the way around the bottom of the bowl into the hex slot. It does seem pretty unlikely if you're cautious though. I would probably sandwich it between layers of herb, should be fine.
 

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Tornado estratto is really appreciated here!😋
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Fearless Disaster

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My tornado is on the way and I'm feeling a bit of IH vas. so much so that I'm considering picking up an inductor on sale even though a good portable ih would immediately bench it for me. Was there ever any explanation on why vestratto went with m12 batteries instead of letting us spend $15 on matched sets of molicel p30b's? is there any buzz on a higher power portable ih that would work with both the tempest and tornado? Brenyo has made mention of an upcoming heater not by him that will work with all the things but has not said much more. Does our community know of any upcoming portables?
 

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Vestratto prefers the power and reliability of the Milwaukee battery assopposed to the 18650 route....Tracking shows my T stem will arrive today.
If I recall the standard Milwaukee m12 batteries are 3S. The extended capacity batteries are 3S2P. At best they use molicels. So a standard capacity battery is just 3 18650s and an extended battery is 6 18650s.

Here is a breakdown of the number and type of cell in each m12 and m18 battery pack:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilwaukeeTool/comments/10mdjfm
An argument could be made that Milwaukee put more thought into safe charging circuits then the typical in device charging, but so do external chargers.
 
Here is a breakdown of the number and type of cell in each m12 and m18 battery pack:
Interesting to see this, when Vestratto made a whole fancy video pushing why their IH was so good, using Milwaukee's tech. When it's really just more 18650s, in a different package.

(note that I'm not disparaging Milwaukee -- their cordless 'M' series are almost universally accepted as 'best in class' by mechanics, tradespeople, etc.)
 

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Interesting to see this, when Vestratto made a whole fancy video pushing why their IH was so good, using Milwaukee's tech. When it's really just more 18650s, in a different package.

(note that I'm not disparaging Milwaukee -- their cordless 'M' series are almost universally accepted as 'best in class' by mechanics, tradespeople, etc.)

I use the Milwaukee system for my tools and love it! I actually gave away my m12 stuff and replaced it with m18 stuff a few years back. Interestingly, when I picture a forge with a m12 battery my mind says "that's way too big to be portable". but when I think of a forge with an m18 attached I think "oh what a portable little desktop class induction device!"
 

SockPuppetTheatrics

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I think this question has come up before (maybe it was on the Vestratto Discord), and it comes down to:
- unregulated 18650s are dangerous if you don't know what you're doing
- Vestratto wants to reach the medical market (I believe this was always the goal)
- someone else has already solved the problem of making a rechargeable battery pack capable of powering the Forge
- it's still more flexible than a factory-installed battery
- one could, if one chose, bring a Milwaukee battery pack on an airplane
 

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Ok, go on then, rub it in why dontcha? Y'know, while I'm biting the ends off my fingers having run out of nails while waiting for delivery, and you're gloating at me! 😁

That looks real sweet! If it weren't for Mr Scruffy Woofer and his amazing performing adapters (and my Revolve2), I'd be happy to have one of those stems!
 
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SlickHenry

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Finally got my Tornado. First heating I tried a torch and got a huge hit. Do you rotate it when heating or is there no need?

My OCD brain though is a bit worried that it already seems to be tarnished from the lovely shiny state when it arrived. Is this inevitable with torch use and is there a way to get it nice and shiny again?
 

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where is the insert media button????
The Tornado doesn't have one - you just fill the bowl! 😉

Finally got my Tornado. First heating I tried a torch and got a huge hit. Do you rotate it when heating or is there no need?

My OCD brain though is a bit worried that it already seems to be tarnished from the lovely shiny state when it arrived. Is this inevitable with torch use and is there a way to get it nice and shiny again?
Yeah, this is pretty normal, just the effects of heat on the metal surface changing how photons interact and the frequency when it reflects them.
As far as I know this is essentially creating a layer of oxidised metal, and the type and quality of the metal, plus the temperature it's heated to, will create a different depth of oxide layer which causes the photons reflected off it to have a specific colour (frequency). It's due to the different energy levels of the outer electron shell of the pure metal vs. the metal oxide - the different materials have differing energy levels that create specific wavelengths/frequencies of the reflected light that effect the final colour.

A polish will abrade away the oxide layer to reveal the original metal surface, but the moment you heat it up again you'll return to the coloured appearance.

FYI: an IH will reduce this compared to a torch since the heating is averaged out across most of the vape head while a torch is of course concentrated at a small point so gets hotter before the heat conducts through the rest of the metal.

From what I've read, some gentle rotating doesn't hurt but is less necessary than with some other TED vapes, as the copper is much faster at conducting the heat to the rest of the device.

By the way, did you get hit by customs, and if so, roughly how much?
 
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The Tornado doesn't have one - you just fill the bowl! 😉


Yeah, this is pretty normal, just the effects of heat on the metal surface changing how photons interact and the frequency when it reflects them.
As far as I know this is essentially creating a layer of oxidised metal, and the type and quality of the metal, plus the temperature it's heated to, will create a different depth of oxide layer which causes the photons reflected off it to have a specific colour (frequency). It's due to the different energy levels of the outer electron shell of the pure metal vs. the metal oxide - the different materials have differing energy levels that create specific wavelengths/frequencies of the reflected light that effect the final colour.

A polish will abrade away the oxide layer to reveal the original metal surface, but the moment you heat it up again you'll return to the coloured appearance.

FYI: an IH will reduce this compared to a torch since the heating is averaged out across most of the vape head while a torch is of course concentrated at a small point so gets hotter before the heat conducts through the rest of the metal.

From what I've read, some gentle rotating doesn't hurt but is less necessary than with some other TED vapes, as the copper is much faster at conducting the heat to the rest of the device.

By the way, did you get hit by customs, and if so, roughly how much?
Thanks. I have the wand but it has the narrow opening at the top so needs to drop in from the bottom. I am really paranoid that it will slip into narrow opening whilst heating and get stuck damaging the wand.

I will wait till the bank holiday before I try to fashion something to prevent this. I read somewhere that silicone dab pot fits well or may try something else. Tried cork before for other pen style vapes but it started burning from the heat generated.

Unfortunately, I did get hit by customs. At first I thought I escaped it as got notification saying it cleared but then about half an hour later DHL requested payment via a link. I think it is because it was sent via the Express service so they pay it regardless if shipments are stopped to speed up the whole process.

It cost me 45.24 GBP 😞.
 

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Jeez, what with oversea's delivery on top of VAT, that's $300 all in near as damnit! Ouch! Everyone's getting revenge on us Rosbiff's for the empire!

I've heard a good few different methods with wand, and to my knowledge there are a few differences between some models depending on age.
I haven't heard of anyone bricking a wand though, just getting an error (which I presume is simple to reset but a little annoying).

My best take on the safest way is from the back rather than the normal approach, removing any inserts (e.g. from DV or Tempest), using MH's Wand stand (or finding a suitable alternative) to hold it horizontal above the tabletop (facing down) with a small gap between wand and tabletop, and stacking disks of silicon (or similarly heat resistant material) on the table under the socket so when you lower the Tornado head into it, it's help at a suitable height to heat the parts you want to focus on. That then gives an easy to repeat set up, even if a bit basic. This avoids issues with the head jamming because of an adapter, or the error problem, and I've read that doing it backwards (so to speak!) makes heating the right parts much more achievable.

That said, it may be that a torch is better, as it seems a very fast intense heat up works very well from the accounts of others here, but I suspect that's getting into the realm of personal taste.

Unfortunately, I did get hit by customs. At first I thought I escaped it as got notification saying it cleared but then about half an hour later DHL requested payment via a link. I think it is because it was sent via the Express service so they pay it regardless if shipments are stopped to speed up the whole process.
I think it's almost a normal process if the item isn't marked as a gift or something similar to show it isn't a commercial product, since they don't want to miss out on revenue.
Much as I hate this sort of surprise, and don't have a lot of pennies to rub together, I actually approve of paying my fair whack of tax if that's the rules, since that money is what goes to pay for all the services we rely on to have a moderately comfortable life and some level of safety net socially speaking. Deliberately cheating on that is really stealing from my fellow Brits. I bad mouth the wealthy who do this as a matter of course, so I'd be a hypocrite to deliberately evade it myself. Now if they could somehow 'forget' to charge me by accident, I could almost live with that! 🤣
 
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HoodiesAndHondas

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Thanks. I have the wand but it has the narrow opening at the top so needs to drop in from the bottom. I am really paranoid that it will slip into narrow opening whilst heating and get stuck damaging the wand.

I will wait till the bank holiday before I try to fashion something to prevent this. I read somewhere that silicone dab pot fits well or may try something else. Tried cork before for other pen style vapes but it started burning from the heat generated.

Unfortunately, I did get hit by customs. At first I thought I escaped it as got notification saying it cleared but then about half an hour later DHL requested payment via a link. I think it is because it was sent via the Express service so they pay it regardless if shipments are stopped to speed up the whole process.

It cost me 45.24 GBP 😞.
My Tornado juuuust barely fit into my Wand when it was cold. Then on the first heat up, the Tornado head expanded from the heat and chipped the rim of the Wand glass. Didn’t break it or anything, but now it fits fine.

I also saw on Reddit, some people have taken a Dremel and widened the glass hole in their Wand to fit the Tornado.
 
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Jeez, what with oversea's delivery on top of VAT, that's $300 all in near as damnit! Ouch! Everyone's getting revenge on us Rosbiff's for the empire!

I've heard a good few different methods with wand, and to my knowledge there are a few differences between some models depending on age.
I haven't heard of anyone bricking a wand though, just getting an error (which I presume is simple to reset but a little annoying).

My best take on the safest way is from the back rather than the normal approach, removing any inserts (e.g. from DV or Tempest), using MH's Wand stand (or finding a suitable alternative) to hold it horizontal above the tabletop (facing down) with a small gap between wand and tabletop, and stacking disks of silicon (or similarly heat resistant material) on the table under the socket so when you lower the Tornado head into it, it's help at a suitable height to heat the parts you want to focus on. That then gives an easy to repeat set up, even if a bit basic. This avoids issues with the head jamming because of an adapter, or the error problem, and I've read that doing it backwards (so to speak!) makes heating the right parts much more achievable.

That said, it may be that a torch is better, as it seems a very fast intense heat up works very well from the accounts of others here, but I suspect that's getting into the realm of personal taste.
Yeah, it's a lot to pay and probably is my last vape for quite a while! I totally understand paying tax. The thing that stings is it isn’ t duty on the amount over the 135gbp allowance. It is on the total goods value plus DHL add a processing fee. Makes it a significant hit.

I saw a few videos so have some ideas for the wand. I have removed all adaptors (I only have the official DV that iSpire sell). The issue seems to be that not all Wands are the same. Mine has a large opening at the back and a small opening at the top. The Tornado has no issues going into the large opening but is very snug in the small opening.

I have read that the Tornado head expands when it heats so there is a real risk that if it enters the small hole when heating it will get stuck and crack the wand glass. I need to completely remove the possibility of this happening so will put something into the wand via the back that sits on the lip to completely close off the smaller hole. I don't think it can be under the wand on a table as there is still a big risk the head could poke through.

I am sure I can fashion something. I am thinking the disks of silicone cut to sit on the lip or the dab pot lid I got with the TA3. Think it is one of these 3ml storage pots.. Just need to play around the get the correct depth.
 
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Yeah, it's a lot to pay and probably is my last vape for quite a while! I totally understand paying tax. The thing that stings is it isn’ t duty on the amount over the 135gbp allowance. It is on the total goods value plus DHL add a processing fee. Makes it a significant hit.

I saw a few videos so have some ideas for the wand. I have removed all adaptors (I only have the official DV that iSpire sell). The issue seems to be that not all Wands are the same. Mine has a large opening at the back and a small opening at the top. The Tornado has no issues going into the large opening but is very snug in the small opening.

I have read that the Tornado head expands when it heats so there is a real risk that if it enters the small hole when heating it will get stuck and crack the wand glass. I need to completely remove the possibility of this happening so will put something into the wand via the back that sits on the lip to completely close off the smaller hole. I don't think it can be under the wand on a table as there is still a big risk the head could poke through.

I am sure I can fashion something. I am thinking the disks of silicone cut to sit on the lip or the dab pot lid I got with the TA3. Think it is one of these 3ml storage pots.. Just need to play around the get the correct depth.
I do this with the storage pot lid! Ripping out of the thg sherlock shredder with water and it’s a delight!
 
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Yeah, it's a lot to pay and probably is my last vape for quite a while! I totally understand paying tax. The thing that stings is it isn’ t duty on the amount over the 135gbp allowance. It is on the total goods value plus DHL add a processing fee. Makes it a significant hit.

I saw a few videos so have some ideas for the wand. I have removed all adaptors (I only have the official DV that iSpire sell). The issue seems to be that not all Wands are the same. Mine has a large opening at the back and a small opening at the top. The Tornado has no issues going into the large opening but is very snug in the small opening.

I have read that the Tornado head expands when it heats so there is a real risk that if it enters the small hole when heating it will get stuck and crack the wand glass. I need to completely remove the possibility of this happening so will put something into the wand via the back that sits on the lip to completely close off the smaller hole. I don't think it can be under the wand on a table as there is still a big risk the head could poke through.

I am sure I can fashion something. I am thinking the disks of silicone cut to sit on the lip or the dab pot lid I got with the TA3. Think it is one of these 3ml storage pots.. Just need to play around the get the correct depth.
I guess I was just a bit slow on the uptake having never ordered anything outside the UK and EU in the past, and it never occurred to me I would be owing VAT on it - dur! 🙄
So being over budget is my own fault, I can't really complain, but it does sting the pocket once it's all added up!

I've got a Tempest adapter in my Wand, but I've also heard the Tornado's head can jam when it expands on heating if that insert is used and it's going to be really annoying to have to keep popping the ruddy thing in and out every time I want to use the other vape. MadHeaters are putting out a new adapter with the Tempest v2 that doesn't use glass (to make heating more efficient and quicker) and I'm hoping that may work better for all my TED vapes. Do keep us updated on how you get on sussing the 'nado out.

Ah! Just recalled where I saw the thing about cutting out disks of silicon...
 
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it isn’ t duty on the amount over the 135gbp allowance. It is on the total goods value plus DHL add a processing fee. Makes it a significant hit.
Ah! But this is the English way! Just like carer benefits, where if you earn 1p more than the allowed earnings, you lose every bit of your benefits allowance! (shocking considering how much money carers save the government).
 
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