FROLIC by Limelight Herb

I am familiar with that company It's these guys: https://limelightmechanics.com/

Their stuff is top notch - you should check it out. I've been using their nic vapes for years and I'm really quite unfeasibly delighted to see them do a dry herb vape

I'm disappointed it's not wooden. Most of their stuff is, and all the more beautiful for it.

But if it's anything like their other devices it will be simple to operate, the quality will be excellent (e.g. smooth, solid mechanics) and the finish will be flawless. The customer service is also very, very good, they've gone above and beyond more than once for me.

Sorry if I sound like a shill - I'm not - but I do love this company and I'm excited that they have started moving into this space.

But not quite excited enough to overcome my hate for FB/Instagram.

Flotsam said:

Does this model have a removable battery.

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Dr. G said:

Key Features:

• 21700 BATTERY (5300mAh) REMOVABLE

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Flotsam said:

That amount came off as a pretty premium about for a newcomer manufacturer without a track record.

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I agree.
Looks very slick on the pictures (i have no social media to get more info off) but i'm left with some questions for sure.

Like the mouthpiece:
Looks like there's some sort of labyrinth to cool the vapor? If i see it correct the mouthpiece end is above the battery compartment so the bowl is not straight under the mp?
I'd like to know how the inside of that top part looks and what it's made of. I'm not fond of this style of cooling tbh because i think cleaning this style of cooling mazes must be a nightmare.

And i have some serious doubts about the mouthpiece itself...
i don't really fancy the shape of it and it looks like plastic or silicone? If that's the case that won't do it for me (especially not for this high end prize)...

The removable bowl makes me think that you could use a capsule system that operates without the bowl in. Kind of how the FW9 operates.

I was excited when I seen the heating element but at that price I'll probably never be able to afford it. Is too bad...

The pricing is definitely not what I would call competitive, for what it is. At that price I would expect a handmade artisan vape. Or at least something with a nice wooden body like the TM2 or FW

MHL said:

I am familiar with that company It's these guys: https://limelightmechanics.com/

Their stuff is top notch - you should check it out. I've been using their nic vapes for years and I'm really quite unfeasibly delighted to see them do a dry herb vape

I'm disappointed it's not wooden. Most of their stuff is, and all the more beautiful for it.

But if it's anything like their other devices it will be simple to operate, the quality will be excellent (e.g. smooth, solid mechanics) and the finish will be flawless. The customer service is also very, very good, they've gone above and beyond more than once for me.

Sorry if I sound like a shill - I'm not - but I do love this company and I'm excited that they have started moving into this space.

But not quite excited enough to overcome my hate for FB/Instagram.

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so that website shows a very stylish design in wood, people will buy it just based on that as it is quite striking. Yes i see now where battery is removable and you have an option as to capacity of said battery.
More details are very welcome especially with the fairly high price, and learning this is 510 based. It seems rest of industry wants to move away from 510 and it appears here that heater is 510. What is the rationale for this engineering decision?

For me nic vape experience seems radically different in process & materials ( e fluids) than what is used in dry herb vapes. Thanks for the post.

There are similarities and differences I guess. Both are essentially 18650 cells powering a heater with via a user controlled electrical board. But yea a herb vape does have many additional considerations.

And I can't speak to their herb vapes. All I can say is that they produce _the best_ nic vape mods IMO, and so I have high expectations for this. Hopefully they will be fulfilled

510 based.... doesn't 510 just refer to the type of connection? Like for the dreamwood glow. Presuming this isn't that type of affair.... then if the heater has a 510 connection that might mean it's user replaceable internally? Massive guess on my part.

some interesting points. I will defer to others on here with more experience than myself . it does look nice. I don't mean to disparage the product since i've never seen it or used it. Just seems with the price, everything needs to be best in class so everyone wants to know the details.

I didn't want to imply 510 is bad as a technology by any means, I just understood it to mostly be associated with cartridges & since the technology always seemed to be so problematic but that was probably more on the issue, nothing to do with heater or anything. So maybe i have a mistaken impression about carts etc, I've never owned one tried it once and swore that off.

MHL said:

I am familiar with that company It's these guys: https://limelightmechanics.com/

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Thanks for sharing the link. I took a look at their past products, and I really like the design esthetic.

That price puts it in a range where it had better be a really amazing vape, or it won't sell, but it does look like they are into making quality components with a high level of reparability. I'm looking forward to learning more about it.

2tiki said:

Thanks for sharing the link. I took a look at their past products, and I really like the design esthetic.

That price puts it in a range where it had better be a really amazing vape, or it won't sell, but it does look like they are into making quality components with a high level of reparability. I'm looking forward to learning more about it.

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I had the same thoughts. Being a new product it’s a tough sell for me at this price point. I was just getting ready to order another well known device around the same price, but figured I’d wait and see if this is released soon.

I am in the same boat...I am waiting a bit...I want to buy another vape and just waiting to hear more on this one...primarily when the launch date is...can we get a launch date please?

Hi all, thanks for the thread Dr. G! I am open for any discussion and feedback and again, thank you all for providing any insight.

My name is Dejan and I am the founder of Limelight which has been designing and making high end vaping devices since 2013.

Since the term high end has been thrown around freely, for me, it represents a device made from the materials best fit for the purpose and with a design most suitable for the performance of the device and the user. Of course, for some elements, a variety of materials make a good choice and this choice comes down to one’s personal preference.

This was the philosophy used to design and make the Frolic inside and out and this project has been active for years since I am notorious for delaying projects until they are as close to perfect as possible as far as my capabilities and determination allow.

In regards to this, some aspects of the device have been optimized and changed during the process and we will make lengthy Facebook and Instagram posts with the final aspects and the website will be also ready in the coming days.

Of course, end of the day, the user is the one whose words count and hopefully, they will affirm what I tried to accomplish.

The task at hand was quite straightforward but hard at least for me, designing a device with top notch performance, premium materials with design and functionality most appealing to the user.

We have also kept the pricing competitive for a device which, I am free to say, costs more to manufacture than any other device in the industry. Granted, the price is justified only if the performance and everything else I have said above is proven to be true.

Now basically, regardless of the hopefully positive reviews which are to come, the first customers are always beta testers of a sort, and I do understand this…

So, to back what I have said above and knowing what we have accomplished, we will offer a 2 week money back guarantee to every retail customer from the first batch.

Pre sales will start as soon as the website is done and as heritage demands, the Frolic is fully modular and I will post a video of a full breakdown of the device showcasing the complete engineering of the device inside and out.

Since we only have socials for now as means of contact, I will try to be active here also and answer any questions.

Sorry about the lengthy post and thanks again!

Most people prefer an all glass vapor path because regardless of the type of plastic used there is a noticable flavor profile. If you could modify the mouthpiece to accept glass stems like the POTV devices and accessories, Arizer stems, TM2 stems... Etc... it would surely be well received.

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These still all look like prototype photos, is this shipping in any quantity yet? That amount came off as a pretty premium about for a newcomer manufacturer without a track record.

It looks like it is a slight wedge design which is refreshingly different. I don't think I've seen any mention of dimensions either , maybe on Facebook?
This will be interesting to see. Which product range they are shooting for? Mass Production cheap like a Yocan or a more polished respected product like Tiny Might? Do they try and use more preferable premium materials or do they cheapen out? (eg. plastic in the airpath?)

It seems like there are certain size classes to differentiate the different models. I am just talking portable vapes. Removable battery adds X cost to the design, makes it a bit heavier & complex. Does this model have a removable battery. Dosing capsules?

This is a fairly striking design, but also wondered about material used for the mouthpiece. A crappy mouthpiece will kill the whole thing for most people.

The 80/20 Convection/Conduction ratio seems similar to other products in this category. What about the heater characteristics? The connection options need to be discussed as well. If it took standard 12 mm glass like POTV you would be golden.

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Hey, going through the comments and as I said looking on insight for each aspect.

As I mentioned in the previous comment, we will post all the final info asap.

Being new isn’t necessarily a bad thing, everyone started somewhere

I own a Tinymight since a few years and honestly can’t see what you mean by polished…

Also what do you feel is wrong with plastic in the airpath? Granted the type of plastic used is essential, it’s one of the best materials to use in terms of thermodynamics and longevity from our tests.

Could you also let me know what you consider a crappy mouthpiece? We have used Ultem for ours!

Also to which other products do you refer when you say they have 80 20 heating ratio, because while many claim this, they don’t offer this in reality, some do offer course, just wondering what would you use as a benchmark.

And yes, water attachments can be connected to the cooler, thanks to Liam

NightMoonWolf said:

Most people prefer an all glass vapor path because regardless of the type of plastic used there is a noticable flavor profile. If you could modify the mouthpiece to accept glass stems like the POTV devices and accessories, Arizer stems, TM2 stems... Etc... it would surely be well received.

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Thanks for the reply. Thermoplastics are 100% inert on these temperatures. PEEK and even PEI will be 100% inert. You must be referring to Polycarbonate used in S&B devices and yes that will give off some unwanted flavour.

Also, the TM having a wooden vapour path gave off terrible taste.

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

Thanks for the reply. Thermoplastics are 100% inert on these temperatures. PEEK and even PEI will be 100% inert. You must be referring to Polycarbonate used in S&B devices and yes that will give off some unwanted flavour.

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Even so, would it be possible to manufacture the top part to accept glass accessories/stems, or even sell separately one that does?

The ability to choose different accessories and inserts, like POTV offers, is incredibly convenient.

666Honeybadger said:

I agree.
Looks very slick on the pictures (i have no social media to get more info off) but i'm left with some questions for sure.

Like the mouthpiece:
Looks like there's some sort of labyrinth to cool the vapor? If i see it correct the mouthpiece end is above the battery compartment so the bowl is not straight under the mp?
I'd like to know how the inside of that top part looks and what it's made of. I'm not fond of this style of cooling tbh because i think cleaning this style of cooling mazes must be a nightmare.

And i have some serious doubts about the mouthpiece itself...
i don't really fancy the shape of it and it looks like plastic or silicone? If that's the case that won't do it for me (especially not for this high end prize)...

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Thanks for the compliment!

Yes there is a labyrinth I will show it. How would you usually clean these? I dip them in hot water or alcohol then wipe and rinse off. The only thing I found to be negative on such styles are custom seals which we avoided and used only Viton standard orings.

The mouthpieces are Ultem which we have used for years on vaping products with 0 issues. But again, thanks for the feedback, what would be your preferred material of choice?

NightMoonWolf said:

Even so, would it be possible to manufacture the top part to accept glass accessories/stems, or even sell separately one that does?

The ability to choose different accessories and inserts, like POTV offers, is incredibly convenient.

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Easy! This is exactly the type of feedback I am after. Thanks a lot!

The Frolic accepts adapters of any sort, just remove the mouthpiece and pop an adapter on (we will offer 2 standard sizes for now) There is also a possibility to make an accessory which connects the oven directly without the cooler. Would this be something interesting to look into?

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

Easy! This is exactly the type of feedback I am after. Thanks a lot!

The Frolic accepts adapters of any sort, just remove the mouthpiece and pop an adapter on (we will offer 2 standard sizes for now) There is also a possibility to make an accessory which connects the oven directly without the cooler. Would this be something interesting to look into?

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Yes. That sounds perfect to me. Exactly the kind of feature I'd expect from a high end DHV.

bosscib said:

I had the same thoughts. Being a new product it’s a tough sell for me at this price point. I was just getting ready to order another well known device around the same price, but figured I’d wait and see if this is released soon.

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I don't see anything wrong with being new. Everyone had to start somewhere... The price reflects the cost of the product, not the age of the company or am I missing something?

NightMoonWolf said:

Yes. That sounds perfect to me. Exactly the kind of feature I'd expect from a high end DHV.

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Awesome, thanks again. I will definitely add this adapter to the accessory list and make a prototype!

MHL said:

I am familiar with that company It's these guys: https://limelightmechanics.com/

Their stuff is top notch - you should check it out. I've been using their nic vapes for years and I'm really quite unfeasibly delighted to see them do a dry herb vape

I'm disappointed it's not wooden. Most of their stuff is, and all the more beautiful for it.

But if it's anything like their other devices it will be simple to operate, the quality will be excellent (e.g. smooth, solid mechanics) and the finish will be flawless. The customer service is also very, very good, they've gone above and beyond more than once for me.

Sorry if I sound like a shill - I'm not - but I do love this company and I'm excited that they have started moving into this space.

But not quite excited enough to overcome my hate for FB/Instagram.

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Hey man! Thanks for the praise!

Wood you say... Yes, we are mostly famous for our impeccable wooden finishes but this isn't the best material for this type of vaporiser. Not saying it's bad but just not something for the everyone and we wanted to create an all rounder, hope you understand.

I was surprised to see from some comments that some will consider a product more premium based only on a piece of wood used.

With that said, since the construction is modular, we will offer wooden bodies in the future for people who want that. Assembled by us or the user as an aftersales part.

Cheers!

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

Hey, going through the comments and as I said looking on insight for each aspect.

As I mentioned in the previous comment, we will post all the final info asap.

Being new isn’t necessarily a bad thing, everyone started somewhere

I own a Tinymight since a few years and honestly can’t see what you mean by polished…

Also what do you feel is wrong with plastic in the airpath? Granted the type of plastic used is essential, it’s one of the best materials to use in terms of thermodynamics and longevity from our tests.

Could you also let me know what you consider a crappy mouthpiece? We have used Ultem for ours!

Also to which other products do you refer when you say they have 80 20 heating ratio, because while many claim this, they don’t offer this in reality, some do offer course, just wondering what would you use as a benchmark.

And yes, water attachments can be connected to the cooler, thanks

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would be really cool if the mouthpiece/airpath allows for customization and different stems in case people want to switch out the stock option! thats what i really like about the TM, the amount of personalization you can do to it. really looking forward to new info and the first review videos of your vape!

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would be really cool if the mouthpiece/airpath allows for customization and different stems in case people want to switch out the stock option! thats what i really like about the TM, the amount of personalization you can do to it. really looking forward to new info and the first review videos of your vape!

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I kinda sorta already mentioned that. Haha. Unless you're just in agreement. I think you worded it a bit better.

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

There is also a possibility to make an accessory which connects the oven directly without the cooler. Would this be something interesting to look into?

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I would definitely like something like this. If I can have a glass accessory that connects directly to the oven that would allow me to attach a J-Hook, or use it with a water piece. If possible, I think including that as standard would help sales at the premium price level this is at.

I hope all other DHV manufacturers take note at how Dejan is interacting with this forum. So many others have come in here spewing a line a meaningless hype for their products and get an instant cold reaction from folks here, then just disappear having not answered any meaningful questions. Dejan is actually asking for useful feedback, and isn't hiding the things we want to know about the vape. This is the smart move to make.

It also implies, to me, that this is a company that actually cares about what the potential customers really want. I think I may need to start saving up for this vape. It would be about twice the money I've ever spent on a vape before, but if this is the right choice for me, I'd really love to have a high end vape!

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

we will offer wooden bodies in the future for people who want that. Assembled by us or the user as an aftersales part.

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I love this idea. Though I actually like how it looks currently, and don't know that I would feel the need for a wooden body. It's still always a good thing to have options!

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

I don't see anything wrong with being new. Everyone had to start somewhere... The price reflects the cost of the product, not the age of the company or am I missing something?

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I agree with you and I love seeing new devices in the market. What you've shared all sounds great. My point was only that at full price it's a lot of money (for me personally) to be an early adopter without seeing real user feedback first. You're not discounting the first batch, correct?

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

Being new isn’t necessarily a bad thing, everyone started somewhere

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FYI since you are new to FC (welcome!) and looks like still pending approval for the commercial account as manufacturer, just wanted to let you know that you probably should be careful with comments like this:

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

I own a Tinymight since a few years and honestly can’t see what you mean by polished…

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Also, the TM having a wooden vapour path gave off terrible taste

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Manufacturers here are not really supposed to be talking about competitor products, especially with a negative lens, especially in this thread of yours... (one of the reasons not to mention it is because it invites responses that venture off topic defending the other product back and forth, like this:

Just for the record, I consider my TM2 extremely polished compared to the originals, I think the latest is even better... Great fit and finish now. Also I enjoy perfect flavor from mine, using simple glass pathways, there's actually no wood in the vapor path (possibly slightly in the air path? Certainly don't taste it, only possibly with other woods like the previous oak but not the current walnut and certainly not after broken in...) so I'm just saying TM is still considered top tier in all categories by most, though it's not for everyone, and individual unit differs depending when it was bought, but still entitled to your opinion of course.

Anyway good luck finalizing the product and launching! Always good to see new stuff

Find this project really interesting, thanks for more infos @Dejan LimelightHerb
A discount (code) for the first badge, next to the 2week period would make this really intrigueing (:
Am not sure I've read anything about dimensions and weight.
Wonder if its standard cooling capability is anything close to, let's say the Venty's. I totally don't mind the maze-cooling - isobath, shake, qtip and good to go, in my experience.

However, looking forward to the announced video and more info on this interesting development!

Dejan LimelightHerb said:

Also to which other products do you refer when you say they have 80 20 heating ratio, because while many claim this, they don’t offer this in reality, some do offer course, just wondering what would you use as a benchmark.

Thermoplastics are 100% inert on these temperatures. PEEK and even PEI will be 100% inert. You must be referring to Polycarbonate used in S&B devices and yes that will give off some unwanted flavour.

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@Dejan LimelightHerb Thanks for all the great info on this device.

I believe the S&B Venty is around 80/20, as is the Arizer Solo 3. The Angus Enhanced probably is too (just judging from using it).

The Venty is PEEK not Polycarbonate.

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just judging from using it

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That is how I feel any of those percentage metrics are actually weighed, there isn't much science in my mind that indicates any of them are actually accurate % and it can depend how you use them (it's marketing)