Why aren't there more on-demand conduction vapes?

I'm still on my journey to find a vape that matches the joint smoking experience, and I was just thinking what I'd want is something that combines the simplicity of conduction vaping with the convenience of on demand heating. However when I went to see what devices are available it seems like there's almost none? Some websites even say that conduction is synonymous with session and convection is synonymous with on demand. And I suppose my question is... Why?

Is there some fundamental problem with rapid heating that is incompatible with a conduction device? It looks like there's a few out there so it doesn't seem impossible, but I'm wondering why it's not more popular.
 
m0nkeyh3rb,

Shit Snacks

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Yeah just look at the designs, we finally have it with the firewood 7 and on, BAK is less on demand but can be thanks to the removable chambers and full power capability, I think it's pretty easy to see why mainstream devices are the way they are, the mass production, but Solo 3 is a pretty solid one

(The title of your post says why aren't there more on-demand convection but then your post seems to describe the question being why isn't there more on-demand conduction? So that is what I answered, but convection on demand would be a different response)
 

Andreaerdna

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I'm still on my journey to find a vape that matches the joint smoking experience, and I was just thinking what I'd want is something that combines the simplicity of conduction vaping with the convenience of on demand heating. However when I went to see what devices are available it seems like there's almost none? Some websites even say that conduction is synonymous with session and convection is synonymous with on demand. And I suppose my question is... Why?

Is there some fundamental problem with rapid heating that is incompatible with a conduction device? It looks like there's a few out there so it doesn't seem impossible, but I'm wondering why it's not more popular.
Magic flight launch box is your answer
 

Radwin Bodnic

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'm still on my journey to find a vape that matches the joint smoking experience, and I was just thinking what I'd want is something that combines the simplicity of conduction vaping with the convenience of on demand heating.
To me, the joint smoking experience would be session. A one hitter would be on demand.

The Vaponic is a conduction / convection / radiation hybrid device and definetly can be used on demand like a one hitter. (It's a microdoser though, maybe not for everyone)
 

Hippie Dickie

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the simplicity of conduction vaping with the convenience of on demand heating.
on demand is tough - that's what a BIC does so well for a joint. i can get the heater to 400°F in 10 seconds - still 10 times slower than a BIC ... but the heat transfer to the herb is too slow ... the herb needs a 2 minute heat soak at just below vape temp so that a draw can cause the final 50°F temp increase that releases the vapor.

i'll be a session man until space lasers can do the job.
 
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It is more so rapid cooling that is the fundamental problem with an on demand conduction vape.
Can't they use the same rapid cooling technology that's in the convection vapes?

Yeah just look at the designs, we finally have it with the firewood 7 and on, BAK is less on demand but can be thanks to the removable chambers and full power capability, I think it's pretty easy to see why mainstream devices are the way they are, the mass production, but Solo 3 is a pretty solid one

(The title of your post says why aren't there more on-demand convection but then your post seems to describe the question being why isn't there more on-demand conduction? So that is what I answered, but convection on demand would be a different response)
Wow yes you're correct about the title. Sorry I'm a little sleep deprived right now 😂

The Firewood came up in my search and looks great, though apparently not available right now. The BAK I'd never heard of and looks gorgeous, but also seemingly unavailable. I've seen the Solo 3 mentioned a few times, maybe I'll look into that more seriously.

Magic flight launch box is your answer
Haha I guess that basically is what I want. That's what we had back in college but I guess I thought maybe there'd be something new since then. But also I suppose if what I want is simple, maybe it would be something that was invented a while ago

To me, the joint smoking experience would be session. A one hitter would be on demand.

The Vaponic is a conduction / convection / radiation hybrid device and definetly can be used on demand like a one hitter. (It's a microdoser though, maybe not for everyone)
Hmm maybe? My only reservation is usually I'd like to hit a joint on and off for 15-20 minutes, my image of a session vape is that it extracts it all at once. Is there a way to stretch it out over time?

on demand is tough - that's what a BIC does so well for a joint. i can get the heater to 400°F in 10 seconds - still 10 times slower than a BIC ... but the heat transfer to the herb is too slow ... the herb needs a 2 minute heat soak at just below vape temp so that a draw can cause the final 50°F temp increase that releases the vapor.

i'll be a session man until space lasers can do the job.
Interesting, I'd never considered about the time it takes for the heat to get to the herb. I guess is that what's cool about convection that heat can get to it quicker? And are there any devices that can hold at that just below vaping temp or quicker conduction?
 

Cheebsy

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A convection heater is separated from the herb, only the air flow carries the heat to the load so when you stop drawing, you basically stop heating the load. You can maximise this effect by stopping energising the heater before finishing the draw. Conduction vapes always have the heater in contact with the herb, and it's hard to cool off the heater sufficiently to stop heating the load after the draw.

If you're looking for suggestions, you should probably look at a vapman too. The heater is pretty low mass and it's quite easy to cool it off reasonably quickly, not entirely on demand, but close.
 

Shit Snacks

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Firewood came up in my search and looks great, though apparently not available right now. The BAK I'd never heard of and looks gorgeous, but also seemingly unavailable. I've seen the Solo 3 mentioned a few times, maybe I'll look into that more seriously.

The FW10 is coming out soon I'm not sure if you can buy the FW9 direct but you might be able to find that or the FW7 used? Yeah BAK drops are tricky to score from but you can also get those used around... S3 would be a solid readily available compromise at least
 

TigoleBitties

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Hmm maybe? My only reservation is usually I'd like to hit a joint on and off for 15-20 minutes, my image of a session vape is that it extracts it all at once. Is there a way to stretch it out over time?
Yeah, as mentioned before I think the Solo3 might be a good fit here. The best way to stretch out your sessions and make them enjoyable is to temp-step your way through. You start at a low temperature, say 340F and have a few hits there and then move up in about 20F increments say, to 360F for a few hits, then 380F ... etc until the bowl is spent.

Not only are the lower temp hits tasty, but they will preserve your flower throughout a longer session as you won't release all the cannabinoids at once. The bowl will simply take longer to fully vaporize this way.

The S3, with its big 0.3g XL bowl is one of my favorite slow session portables and I think provides the closest thing to a joint-type experience. Have a look at the thread https://fuckcombustion.com/threads/arizer-solo-3.55121/post-1833634
 
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