My next portable on-demand vaporizer

Shit Snacks said:

@GymWolf I'm late to the thread today so I'm not sure what the open question is, TM is minimal maintenance, depending how you use it exactly, like I am using glass stem WPA through other glass pieces, hardly ever have to clean anything, with the cooling unit you have to clean more... I also have Phineas cooling glass stems to use instead of that stock setup now... Yes I milk bowls, I start as low as possible on the dial, and move it up tiny bit by tiny bit for each hit, but you're still not going to get 30 hits which is I think what you were asking for? I don't think you're going to get 20, closer to 12 max probably? No starting required, but if you load too much, then you will need to stir, though you probably would get more hits then... And yeah you never know if you will have problems, I just don't want you to spend all the money and get mad, plenty of people buy it and love it out of the box, but some people get defects and some people struggle, nothing is for everyone and nothing is perfect, typically...

Pushing you towards the Air Max, was because you seem to really want to milk a bowl, and that has very slow extraction, yes to eat up is slower, but they have sped it up to where it is about 15 seconds now I think? Certainly not on demand, but I don't know that's what I said about having to compromise, every vape is going to be a compromise, you may want to compromise on the on-demand feature itself...

TM is a little faster to heat up than X-Max probably, but it's still not instant on demand, exactly, depends on the temp settings and the battery level, but generally it is faster and I consider it instant for my needs, I'm just saying it's not like a Hopper IO at all or a Tafée Bowle (those are truly instant, like sticky bricks)

Not sure if I missed anything, but yes the TM is still my overall favorite, most versatile and effective and flavorful, some of the best vapor quality the way I use it. If I had to have just one vape, this would be it...

If you could score a splinter, preset up with a mod, that might be an ideal, although it still wouldn't be as simple and portable per se, durable, in a sense, but slowing down your session would be perfect potentially (also great vapor quality)

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Abele Rizieri Ferrari said:

As price isn't really an issue, why not go with two devices? The v3 pro and a heavier one, could be desktop or butane powered to mix it up. This would probably make it easier to get you the experience(s) you're looking for. Maybe a SBL jr or something like that?

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GymWolf said:

I'm really changing my idea about what to buy every 30 min or so

Right now i'm on the xmax side again, i'm rewatching all the reviews and previews from troy and sneakypete (or really everyone who reviewed these 2 devices) and i can't take a decision to save my life (or my weed in this case)
A lot of reviews says that with the TM stirring is required or you get the burned ring of death in your load, i saw some pics and it doens't look good or even, and i hate stirring, especially with a device where the weed can fall down into the heater if not well packed.

Does the xmax 3 hit at least as strong as a solo\air\fierce, if yes then that's plenty enough to keep me away from combustion, but i'm super curious to try a super heavy hitter, the heaviest hitter i had was my faulty inhlater xp (but that thing was combusting most probably) and a grasshopper but that one had such an harsh vapor that the heavy hits were more painfull than pleasing.

I love\hate researching for new vapes to buy

I have to decide today, if i'm lucky maybe they are gonna ship the device before the week end.

P.s. i would never hate anyone in here for the advices i got, in the end nobody is forcing my hand and every bit of info is well appreciated.

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Shit Snacks said:

Well the TM may be out of stock now, but I'm sure it will come back in stock soon, that happens a lot, I would not order anywhere except the official website...

In my opinion the V3 pro definitely hits harder than Arizer and fierce, but there is a bit more technique involved is all? Since you are creating more of the vapor with just your inhale, need to adjust... Those other two are making the vapor for you, with some added inhale, so it's different experience, and the high is a bit different I suppose?

Yeah I still think the X-Max V3pro is a great option for you, both it and TM are much better than GH in many different ways, not sure anything is quite like the inhalator anymore really...

If you're still smoking joints you might always feel like you're missing something from vapes, very different experiences, I can't smoke joints anymore, too gross and wasteful lol

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GymWolf said:

Back in the days i completely stopped combusting for like 1 year and a half but then i started combusting again because i visited amsterdam and vapes were not good to smoke hard hash and i hated the cotton\hemp method, after the trip it was a fast fall down to complete combustion once again.

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GymWolf said:

The TM is in stock on la central vapoeur and they are an official seller for people that are interested in a TM in europe.

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GymWolf said:

Yeah i think i'm gonna end picking up an xmax and probably a conduction heater for my dynavap since that one kinda gives me the joint ritual but i hate the whole torch thing, and maybe an omni or anvil, or a volcano.

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Shit Snacks said:

I would think the verdamper can extract from anything, but I know hash is always tricky, especially loading, and that is not a portable lol



Well Finland is in Europe, and that is where they're normally sold from direct from manufacturer, it's possible these are official warranty supported units, I would just prefer to buy direct myself...



Nice, yeah good budget play, spread out the money, see what you like, I don't use any of my torch vapes anymore, if I use a torch it's just for a dab really now, vapcap is just a novelty for me I have the OG all glass version and could never get on with the early metal tips or Omni OG so got rid of them, but I've never tried an induction heater... Kind of just don't feel like investigating lol Would like to try the anvil someday, new hotness everyone's talking about right? Volcano so old though, could never bring myself to spend that money on it, I prefer my own plug-in units (Cloud Connoisseur, Collyland, Heat Island) and would prob get XQ2 sooner

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GymWolf said:

Volcano is a beast, and the ballons are so practical, you fill one, put on the side and just draw when you feel like it.

Also the extraction is extraordinary, in amsterdam i destroyed myself and 2 veteran smokers (we talk 10 gr a day veteran) with like 1,5-2 gr of weed in the bowl and step temp of 5 degrees each starting from 160 to max temp, unlimited number of hits.

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Shit Snacks said:

Oh yeah, that pump, the other bag units rely on a fan which is just not the same... However I disagree about the practicality of the balloons, using it the way you describe, a lot of vapor would be condensing in the bag, wasting... Also vapor just sitting there, gets stale, not as good as fresh flavor, I'd rather take multiple one hitter stem bowls, enjoying the flavor, than puffing on a full bag myself! I think the bag is great, when you are sharing it with people, to pass it full of vapor to just inhale, when you're not trying to be super efficient either, partially psychological lol

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GymWolf said:

Yeah i explained myself wrong, i know that it is not ideal to leave the vapor inside the bag, i would probably terminate a ballon in like 4-5 hits in a span of 5 min, and then when i feel like i have the crave again i just fill another ballon which is incredibly fast.

Not perfectly on demand but pretty close, and the easy valve make taking draws super fast and comfy, probably my favourite type of mouthpiece, you just press your lips against the valve and you get vapor.

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Shit Snacks said:

I would think the verdamper can extract from anything

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GymWolf said:

probably a conduction heater for my dynavap

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Shit Snacks said:

I've never tried an induction heater

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Abele Rizieri Ferrari said:

Also look at Vaponic @GymWolf for cheap hash vaping in jointish style. (Does include butane, no direct flame tho.) Might become my next vape.

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Vaporware said:

Don’t worry about things falling into the TM heater too much. In all of these types of devices there is a screen below the stem and above the heater.

I can’t tell for sure what will work for you and keep you from going back to combustion, but if what you need is power the TM, Anvil, etc. should give you hard hits and a TM at low temps (or with temp stepping) should give you a fair amount of hits on demand.

Personally I would buy the TM and just plan to use smaller loads more often. Stem loading is easy, especially if you’re okay with sucking flower up into it, so unless it’s all about the act of taking a hit over and over I would worry less about how many hits you can get out of one stem and more about how many stems you need to use to get where you want/need to be.

I think the TM is still easy to resell too, so if you’re worried you might want to go in a different direction I wouldn’t worry too much there. Just maybe don’t buy every accessory in existence until you know you like it.

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GymWolf said:

P.s. I'm trying to search a pic of the TM heater to see if there is a screen or not.

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bossman said:

Tinymight with a j-hook for home just so you know what you'd have been missing. I prefer removing and soaking the wpa to trying to keep the V3 chamber clean and taking breaks with half-baked weed is an easy way to dirty a steel chamber

The uneven abv you've read about is likely from people ripping higher and harder than you plan to do. When you temp step on a TM you don't need to stir

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GymWolf said:

...@Squidge you have big balls sir, thanks for the pics.
Do they send the canapa bag without any external box to protect the whole thing? isn't risky with a glass mouthpiece exposed?

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Zipford said:

Normally I'd also go with the TM. Using it with the stock stem or something similar it's very easy to clean. It gives you an excellent range of temperatures to work with. It can be used on demand. But I think the ABV situation is going to bother you.

One thing I'd flag is I haven't used any vape that can extract 20-30 hits from a load; it's more like 6-8 in my experience. Granted, I am not starting at the lowest possible temperature, so maybe if I did I'd be able to stretch a load for longer. And the TM gives a wide temp range to work with. But the ABV does tend to be uneven, with some the herb along the stem still looking green.

There is a TM modification to help make your ABV even (involving an extra screen in the stem). I don't bother with this, I don't stir and I just ignore the uneven ABV. I generally finish a load to where I get no more vapor in 8 hits, so whatever it looks like, it's done to me. And if the green parts along the glass are not fully vaped, I don't care (you might, however). I pack it, vape it in two sessions and then blow the spent puck of ABV out of the stem. Simple and easy. I find stirring with the TM a particular pain, because you need the herb to stick together in the stem so it doesn't fall onto the heater screen, and once you start vaping, the herb gets dried out and it is hard to keep together and makes a mess. But I live in a legal state and high quality flower is easily available. So a little green in my ABV container doesn't bother me.

Given that your cannabis availability is lousy and you want to stretch it, you might be able to get more out of your supply using the VMAX V3. I've only used it with dosing capsules, but my ABV tends to be pretty uniform. The TM is the superior device all things considered. But if getting the last drop out of your stash is a high priority, as it seems to be, I think the TM may end up frustrating you.

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