coolbreeze

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Glad to see an alternative cooling spiral is being offered, as the popular option isn't available separately (for some reason). I'm curious though as to how these will fit into a standard condenser? On mine, the end of the condenser sits almost flush with the end of the stem when installed, and the condenser also inserts slightly into the (Ti) tip. It seems like these wouldn’t fit in this setup? Also, how easy is it to twist these into a spiral, and/or any tips? And lastly, wondering if SS may start to heat the vapor vs. cool it on longer sessions, as it doesn't cool as quickly as Ti?
This is what confuses me about these cooling spirals. I have a Stinger and it seems to me that the actual secret sauce is that it props the condenser from fitting into the tip's throat, thus creating a gap that causes more air from the airport to mix with the vapor coming from the bowl. In other words, they work by simply allowing more dilution, breaking the Dynavap model of mixing air into the vapor by way of the small gap between the condenser and the tip wall and the resulting turbulence, and instead simply letting more air mix in by holding the tip and condenser apart physically. I wonder if these curvy strips of metal actually do anything measurable besides creating a gap that allows more dilution.
 

StringTheorista

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I have used @RogueGuy’s cooling system (with the 5mm condenser that comes attached to his mouthpieces), @coolbreeze, and I think you’re on to something, but the answer is “both”. It’s definitely the case that that space allows more outside air, and Rogue’s wider condenser also allows more air. But the strip also contributes, hits feel cooler with it than without.
 
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This is what confuses me about these cooling spirals. I have a Stinger and it seems to me that the actual secret sauce is that it props the condenser from fitting into the tip's throat, thus creating a gap that causes more air from the airport to mix with the vapor coming from the bowl. In other words, they work by simply allowing more dilution, breaking the Dynavap model of mixing air into the vapor by way of the small gap between the condenser and the tip wall and the resulting turbulence, and instead simply letting more air mix in by holding the tip and condenser apart physically. I wonder if these curvy strips of metal actually do anything measurable besides creating a gap that allows more dilution.
With the Omni, you're not restricting the airflow on the stem, but with the condensor. The closer you restrict the airflow to the point of entering the tip/condensor, the higher the air pressure and velocity will be. Of course you can use it (almost) wide open and feather the airport like you always do, but then you're better off with something a lot cheaper imo. I like my Omni about 80% closed and I only open up the airflow when it gunks up and start making farting noises when I take a draw :lol:

The Stinger can't really do this. The intercooler works great but it does its magic with the vapor as opposed to the incoming fresh air.
 

coolbreeze

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"...hits feel cooler with it than without."

That's what's important. I'm not sure I feel that as well, but I usually use it as intended cuz it's a convenient way to keep track of the part. I appreciate the cooling created by the air gap/dilution to a degree, but I got steamroller-style, condenser-less glass stems that can do that better. And I'm no advocate for closing the gap altogether--I usually hit with the airport open because I like some cooling/dilution. I'm just not sure that creating more dilution via the gap does something a steamroller does not. And given the amount of cooling the dilution can presumably accomplish, I simply wonder if whatever magic the strip brings in any way compares to that. It seems unlikely to me, but I'll happily defer to the math.

In any case, I have, use, and enjoy a blackwood/Stinger and a Vortex. They are really beautiful, well-made stems and they do bring more cooling. I'm just confused because it seems evident to me that they cool using methods different than those assumed, but I've never really seen it discussed.

The intercooler works great but it does its magic with the vapor as opposed to the incoming fresh air.
I wonder. I think the Intercooler is primarily a wedge, opening the gap for more air. I suspect that its primary effect on the vapor--beside dilution--is to filter out some of the goods, as evidenced by the abundance of goo it collects, most of which would otherwise shoot thru to your noggin.
 
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MK

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I wonder. I think the Intercooler is primarily a wedge, opening the gap for more air. I suspect that its primary effect on the vapor--beside dilution--is to filter out some of the goods, as evidenced by the abundance of goo it collects, most of which would otherwise shoot thru to your noggin.
That's the key for me - I wasn't impressed with the overall performance using the stinger but I do appreciate the filtering of tiny tiny plant matter from traveling down the condenser into my pie hole.
 

Planck

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With the Omni, you're not restricting the airflow on the stem, but with the condensor. The closer you restrict the airflow to the point of entering the tip/condensor, the higher the air pressure and velocity will be.
There may well be truth in what you are saying overall. However pressure and velocity are inversely proportional. (Bernoulli's principle). Increasing the velocity causes a pressure drop which should cause more air to be drawn through the tip. Possibly resulting in more concentrated vapor.
 

coolbreeze

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There may well be truth in what you are saying overall. However pressure and velocity are inversely proportional. (Bernoulli's principle). Increasing the velocity causes a pressure drop which should cause more air to be drawn through the tip. Possibly resulting in more concentrated vapor.
I remember seeing a video where George recommends ripping the Omni hard for big, cool, clouds. It seems to work for me. I wonder if that pressure drop with increased velocity pulls more cooling air through the airport and into the mix at the condenser/tip interface, as well as more preheated air from the cap/tip (for more vapor, too)? Is that how you'd get more and cooler vapor?
 

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I’m not sure I’m well equipped to speak of thermal dynamics and metal cooling apparatuses. I can say that I used to have 20 vapes and the Dyna was no where in the rotation, I thought it was to harsh, until I got my first Vortex and threw a TI tip on it. Since then I’ve sold pretty much all my vapes and like many of you know, I’ve developed a problem. Now out of all my different dyna combos I reach for something with a twisted piece of metal in it. Placebo? Maybe. Are TRWW different, yes. The “cooling units” to me have more play. Forward, backward, and side to side. I definitely get more turbulence and when the unit is clean I actually can get the CU spinning. Oh, and I have have purchased Intercoolers from Simrell. $25 each. You just have to reach out to them. Lastly, I really agree with the statement made that these metal pieces act like filters and maybe that’s why I get less irritation when using them.
 

Steamer

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There may well be truth in what you are saying overall. However pressure and velocity are inversely proportional. (Bernoulli's principle). Increasing the velocity causes a pressure drop which should cause more air to be drawn through the tip. Possibly resulting in more concentrated vapor.
My bad, you're right! The pressure drop will create a mild vacuum which in its turn pulls the vapor out of the tip. That's the Omni explained :)
 

The Stray Fox

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New stem length (longer than his standard wpa) wpa from Ed and a TRWW two tone mouthpiece/condenser with a SS cooling unit.

I got a new Ti tip and a ‘21 non captive cap recently for this build and in a previous post I talked about how the Ti tip I received was the older style with the deeper groves. Well now that I’m getting into my new tip/cap combo I’m learning that this cap is very much like hotter older caps too. Not a problem, a nice surprise. But damn that’s the first time I’ve combusted in a while.
 

rvarick

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I’m not sure I’m well equipped to speak of thermal dynamics and metal cooling apparatuses. I can say that I used to have 20 vapes and the Dyna was no where in the rotation, I thought it was to harsh, until I got my first Vortex and threw a TI tip on it. Since then I’ve sold pretty much all my vapes and like many of you know, I’ve developed a problem. Now out of all my different dyna combos I reach for something with a twisted piece of metal in it. Placebo? Maybe. Are TRWW different, yes. The “cooling units” to me have more play. Forward, backward, and side to side. I definitely get more turbulence and when the unit is clean I actually can get the CU spinning. Oh, and I have have purchased Intercoolers from Simrell. $25 each. You just have to reach out to them. Lastly, I really agree with the statement made that these metal pieces act like filters and maybe that’s why I get less irritation when using them.
I reached out to Simrell recently re: purchasing one separately (ironically to use with TRWW's condenser MPs), and was told these aren't available individually.
 

The Stray Fox

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I reached out to Simrell recently re: purchasing one separately (ironically to use with TRWW's condenser MPs), and was told these aren't available individually.
Oh damn. That was a while back. Thanks for clearing that up. I wonder the reason?

Well, about to go hit my ‘21 Omni with TRWW dynavap sized Cooling unit installed for the first time. Big hopes for this. Y’all living in the old days with your filterless Omnis.
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thunderstealer1337

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he tried to keep his spiral titanium a patented surprise, i just tell other ppl like trww to list them (spiral and condenser tube) as 2 separate items and if the consumer decides to use both at the same time, well that is on the consumer - and it looks like trww is literally doing just that haha - good for him!

I got a shit ton of hate for posting this on reddit, haha but it is what it is, there is no patent claim to be had on a piece of metal that was twisted and shoved inside the condenser tube
 

kel

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This whole patent bullshit seriously making me feel sick... I think I am going to look for an alternative Dynavap can go suck on a tube - certainly won't be buying any more stuff from anyone chasing the river of shit that patents cause.

The people who find this funny... I don't get it, why take pleasure in someone else hurting? Who does that? I really don't get it... not in the slightest, If I see someone hurting I hurt too... that's what being human is right! Lose that and well... you lost your soul!
 
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Smokey McVape

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"...hits feel cooler with it than without."

That's what's important. I'm not sure I feel that as well, but I usually use it as intended cuz it's a convenient way to keep track of the part. I appreciate the cooling created by the air gap/dilution to a degree, but I got steamroller-style, condenser-less glass stems that can do that better. And I'm no advocate for closing the gap altogether--I usually hit with the airport open because I like some cooling/dilution. I'm just not sure that creating more dilution via the gap does something a steamroller does not. And given the amount of cooling the dilution can presumably accomplish, I simply wonder if whatever magic the strip brings in any way compares to that. It seems unlikely to me, but I'll happily defer to the math.

In any case, I have, use, and enjoy a blackwood/Stinger and a Vortex. They are really beautiful, well-made stems and they do bring more cooling. I'm just confused because it seems evident to me that they cool using methods different than those assumed, but I've never really seen it discussed.


I wonder. I think the Intercooler is primarily a wedge, opening the gap for more air. I suspect that its primary effect on the vapor--beside dilution--is to filter out some of the goods, as evidenced by the abundance of goo it collects, most of which would otherwise shoot thru to your noggin.
Your lungs can only absorb so much vapour and by diluting it with extra air you get two results - a larger, weaker but cooler hit (lager shandy compared to lager) and more waste because bigger clouds = more unabsorbed vapour.
I prefer small thick vapour hits that produce little to no clouds but YMMV.

There may well be truth in what you are saying overall. However pressure and velocity are inversely proportional. (Bernoulli's principle). Increasing the velocity causes a pressure drop which should cause more air to be drawn through the tip. Possibly resulting in more concentrated vapor.
I always thought that dilution occured when adding air to vapour not concentration?
 
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This whole patent bullshit seriously making me feel sick... I think I am going to look for an alternative Dynavap can go suck on a tube - certainly won't be buying any more stuff from anyone chasing the river of shit that patents cause.

The people who find this funny... I don't get it, why take pleasure in someone else hurting? Who does that? I really don't get it... not in the slightest, If I see someone hurting I hurt too... that's what being human is right! Lose that and well... you lost your soul!
i think this patent bullshit is also part of the reason the vaping industry is still so retarded in 2021 and filled with opportunists. we have very few serious companies willing to invest in this niche market and on top of that there's ridiculous claims like patenting glass nipples or twisted tape coolers or using a reed switch for intrusion detection potentially scaring investors away...

edit: IMHO even IF the UFO was developed from Orion tech, it looks different enough to me, it's clearly not a 1/1 copy. throwing patent claims at this point looks like trying to stifle competition and innovation. was the Orion conjured out of thin air or was it also developed from previously existing tech?
the UFO looks better than the Orion to me, more compact and cheaper, this is progress from a consumer perspective and DV are trying to shut it down... to be clear i'm not buying either because of the non-removable battery aspect but i'd take the smaller one if they pay me enough.
true value lies in the quality of execution and no one can steal or fake that, this is a lesson i painfully learned myself but helped me grow, do better or STFU.
i think they are shooting themselves in the foot with this ... there's room for everyone and regardless of maker, more IH sales = more DV sales. people who buy cheap heaters were never going to buy overpriced outdated Dynatec stuff anyway ...
Bud was right, the state of the vaping tech industry is tragic/laughable.
 
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Chicken No Name

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Seriously, can we not keep the patent row to the one thread?

I like this thread and would be resentful if this one is taken over or dominated by more patent emotions.

It's Sunday and I for one plan to fully enjoy my dynavaps and ih and I'm not going to give one thought to patents and just enjoy my herb.

I may use my jet lighter also to maintain a fair balance across the options....
 

Planck

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I always thought that dilution occured when adding air to vapour not concentration?
Yes off course. I'm talking about the venturi effect that happens to some extent in a dyna.
A higher pressure drop will draw more vapor laden air from the tip.

I remember seeing a video where George recommends ripping the Omni hard for big, cool, clouds. It seems to work for me. I wonder if that pressure drop with increased velocity pulls more cooling air through the airport and into the mix at the condenser/tip interface, as well as more preheated air from the cap/tip (for more vapor, too)? Is that how you'd get more and cooler vapor?
It may pull more through the airport but that flow is primarily driven by human suction I expect. :) It will pull more flow through the tip as the low pressure area is effectively right above the tip. @TheThriftDrifter is a fan of the hard pull and I think @TommyDee maybe as well. I don't use the airport, I think TD swings both ways. :lol:
 

GoldenBud

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Taking a draw while heating the VapCap in the IH. so great. effects are better! wow and i did it with my SJK :lol: :lol:
is there a glass that i can stick to the SJK wall so i can use it at max heat but it will touch only glass ? just wow the efffects.....
 
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Taking a draw while heating the VapCap in the IH. so great. effects are better! wow and i did it with my SJK :lol: :lol:
is there a glass that i can stick to the SJK wall so i can use it at max heat but it will touch only glass ? just wow the efffects.....

You could make something, or buy a ready made solution, as I did.

 
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GoldenBud

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You could make something, or buy a ready made solution, as I did.

I just need the inner circle for the inner wall, any idea? not a 14mm adapter, i use wooden stem, it's too big hehe...
EDIT: Ok, it works well too! the 14mm adapter glass rocks! just going 1-2 sec after the click because it's not all-in inside.. ok;>
 
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