FROLIC by Limelight Herb

[MHL]

@SolidAirrr I'm pretty sure I've seen that firmware is updatable, but I can't find it now... maybe in their FB group?

There is quite a lot of info on this page now, including an exploded view: https://www.limelightherb.com/frolic-thermal-extractor

 

[Orvaxxx]

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Not sure if serious... But, how about just waiting for a review before ordering? Shouldn't be long before the first ones are out.

Concerning the extra discount, I understood codes would be send as DMs...

*Three questions I have:
Is the air-intake on the side of the device, close to the oven?
Could it be an option for users to flash an updated firmware or will that definitely be impossible?
Have you drawn the giveaway winner? When will that be announced?

i am serious when a new vape get released they are sent out to reviewers/influencers so you can get an impression of the vape.
I haven’t seen anything yet of this vape, only on paper.

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

Not sure if serious... But, how about just waiting for a review before ordering? Shouldn't be long before the first ones are out.

Concerning the extra discount, I understood codes would be send as DMs...

*Three questions I have:
Is the air-intake on the side of the device, close to the oven?
Could it be an option for users to flash an updated firmware or will that definitely be impossible?
Have you drawn the giveaway winner? When will that be announced?

Yes, I have addressed the reviewer units issue, the plan was to ship them beforehand but we have failed at this so they will be getting units from the main batch.
I don't mind people waiting by all means, we have added an extra layer to protect you with the money back guarantee and the free shipping also as well as local shipping points. End of the day, there's only so much we can do.

- Yes, the 2 slots on the sides are the air intake, there's a big gap between the heater tube and the battery inside of this space which guarantees that the battery will stay cool.

- Definitely impossible. Not saying this isn't important to some but we kept things simple for the first release. The device and firmware is pretty simple and i personally don't see any need for updates although welcome of course. Time and temp settings, switching between demand and session modes also as well as toggling notifications (vibration and LED) on or off.

- It just closed, going to wrap it up today and post the winner.

 

[SolidAirrr]

I'm pretty sure I've seen that firmware is updatable, but I can't find it now... maybe in their FB group?

Dejan also addressed it here and it sounded more in the direction of "no, not planned"
- which must not equate to 'not possible at all'

There is quite a lot of info on this page now, including an exploded view: https://www.limelightherb.com/frolic-thermal-extractor

yeah, I've seen and liked that, didn't answer my intake question though

Definitely impossible

That's a pity, I find and doesn't really fit your anti planned obsolescence drive, imho.

I remember the exchange with Shit Snacks in this thread and later on I also addressed it in regards to the possibility of dimming the screen.

personally don't see any need for updates although welcome of course.

yeah, I welcome and understand the straightforwardness of your device/the menu, just a little weird to exclude the option completely, especially as you include "although welcome..." - as it shouldn't come as a surprise that in real world use with different usecases and users some handy necessities could/will come up which could 'easily' (have no real manufacturing/programming understanding/experience) be addressed with a new firmware.
At least to my understanding that could address the screen 'issue' as well as what I stumbled upon when reading through the manual: having to hold button for 5 seconds to change temp, for example.
As mentioned, as you exclude the (even future) option it doesn't really fit the 'build to last' claim/approach - just in my opinion, of course

 

[Pib]

There is the give away, so a member should be able to provide a review here.

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

Dejan also addressed it here and it sounded more in the direction of "no, not planned"
- which must not equate to 'not possible at all'


yeah, I've seen and liked that, didn't answer my intake question though


That's a pity, I find and doesn't really fit your anti planned obsolescence drive, imho.

I remember the exchange with Shit Snacks in this thread and later on I also addressed it in regards to the possibility of dimming the screen.

yeah, I welcome and understand the straightforwardness of your device/the menu, just a little weird to exclude the option completely, especially as you include "although welcome..." - as it shouldn't come as a surprise that in real world use with different usecases and users some handy necessities could/will come up which could 'easily' (have no real manufacturing/programming understanding/experience) be addressed with a new firmware.
At least to my understanding that could address the screen 'issue' as well as what I stumbled upon when reading through the manual: having to hold button for 5 seconds to change temp, for example.
As mentioned, as you exclude the (even future) option it doesn't really fit the 'build to last' claim/approach - just in my opinion, of course

Makes sense mate. All I meant is that this is a simple device and there is not much you can update/change. Definitely something to address in the future. You don't need to hold it for 5 sec to change the temp, the temperature change increment changes from 1 degree to 5 degrees if you hold the button for more than 5 seconds to accelerate the temp change.
Planned obsolescence, this refers more to the hardware side... If we release an updated PCB, you are able to pop that one in later if you want to.
ShitSnacks can squint for now

 

[MHL]

Dejan also addressed it here and it sounded more in the direction of "no, not planned"
- which must not equate to 'not possible at all'

Yea I read that too, which is why it stuck in my head when I saw elsewhere that it is. I appreciate it's not much good without a source though
Maybe @Dejan LimelightHerb can say if I'm right (or, probably, that I'm imagining things).

ETA: he just posted as I was writing this and it gives me the impression that I am imagining things.

yeah, I've seen and liked that, didn't answer my intake question though

It wasn't meant to, just general info for anybody who might be interested

 

[SolidAirrr]

the temperature change increment changes from 1 degree to 5 degrees if you hold the button for more than 5 seconds to accelerate the temp change.

Ah, thanks for clarification. Either it was just me then or it's formulated a bit confusing or too short then
K, so it was my cluelessness, assuming these pcbs - or rather the one used - could just be reflashed easily.
Anyway:

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

Ah, thanks for clarification. Either it was just me then or it's formulated a bit confusing or too short then
K, so it was my cluelessness, assuming these pcbs - or rather the one used - could just be reflashed easily.
Anyway:

Correct, you would need a specialized tool to do it though.

 

[TheUniBowler]

Wait so US orders will open Monday but shipping may be a few days behind EU?

 

[Shit Snacks]

remember the exchange with Shit Snacks in this thread and later on I also addressed it in regards to the possibility of dimming the screen.

ShitSnacks can squint for now

Pretty sure that was not me, sounds like a good idea though, often LED or screen is too bright on many other devices in general, which is annoying in the dark... Otherwise need to find some way to cover it?

 

[Valravn]

Pretty sure that was not me, sounds like a good idea though, often LED or screen is too bright on many other devices in general, which is annoying in the dark... Otherwise need to find some way to cover it?

If LL doesn't add the dimmable screen, you could always get the light dimming stickers off amazon and put those on the screen, might help it not to get scratched

 

[PossumMD]

- Definitely impossible. Not saying this isn't important to some but we kept things simple for the first release. The device and firmware is pretty simple and i personally don't see any need for updates although welcome of course. Time and temp settings, switching between demand and session modes also as well as toggling notifications (vibration and LED) on or off.

It's the needs you don't see before release that can cause issues. The FATX has had 2 recalls for firmware updates so far. Doesn't effect all users, but I wasn't stoked about the 6week round trip mine made.

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

Wait so US orders will open Monday but shipping may be a few days behind EU?

Correct.

Pretty sure that was not me, sounds like a good idea though, often LED or screen is too bright on many other devices in general, which is annoying in the dark... Otherwise need to find some way to cover it?

Joking aside, the screen is on the bottom of the mod, you will never be bothered with it...

It's the needs you don't see before release that can cause issues. The FATX has had 2 recalls for firmware updates so far. Doesn't effect all users, but I wasn't stoked about the 6week round trip mine made.

Wait, are you assuming that I can make a mistake? Blasphemy!

I have also heard about certain updatable mods which bricked and had to be sent back...

There are no returns with these, they are modular so it's a matter of a day or two.

 

[PossumMD]

There are no returns with these, they are modular so it's a matter of a day or two.

There is 0 chance you can get a module to me in a day or two without incurring great expense. I'm in Australia.

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

There is 0 chance you can get a module to me in a day or two without incurring great expense. I'm in Australia.

Not buying one would 100% solve your issue

 

[PossumMD]

Not buying one would 100% solve your issue

Done.

 

[Dejan LimelightHerb]

Done.

Sorry man, the voices won .

Seriously though, any device can develop an issue, updatable or not, you know this, so yeah remote as you are, everything should take some time. Unfortunately, as far as I know, you guys can't acquire anything device of this kind locally, so here we are...

 

[PossumMD]

Sorry man, the voices won .

Seriously though, any device can develop an issue, updatable or not, you know this, so yeah remote as you are, everything should take some time. Unfortunately, as far as I know, you guys can't acquire anything device of this kind locally, so here we are...

You claimed it'd be a day or two...but that now turns out to be false due to a need you didn't see. Kind of a moo point now that you've troubleshot the problem I guess.

 

[2tiki]

You claimed it'd be a day or two...but that now turns out to be false due to a need you didn't see. Kind of a moo point now that you've troubleshot the problem I guess.

I think it's harsh to call it "false" rather than "Incorrect in this situation". If he can get parts to people in Europe or other countries in 2 days, but not to every country, then the statement is true, but incorrect in your specific case. It's really coming off like you and some other FC members are treating him like he's crooked, and yet the device isn't eve out yet. Can we please not clog up this thread with things that offer no value to people wanting to learn about the vape?

Every time I get a notice that there is a post on this thread I click on it thinking there is more info about the product, but most of the time it's people being angry about things related to an as-yet unreleased vape.

I've been designing a vape for myself for some years now, and sometimes I read these threads I wonder if I'd be up for the abuse if I put out my own. If a company pulls a fast one on people, they deserve to be treated like they did, but no one deserves it before they've done anything.

This guy has got to be swamped with putting out fires (so to speak) after running into customs issues, new tariffs, etc. I'm shocked he's been as attentive to this thread as he has. While the members of this forum are surely the most knowledgeable DHV users on the planet, it's not like the only way for a DHV to be successful is by us anointing it so. Can we maybe try not to scare off new people in the space with trying to force them to bend to every single whim, and giving them a hard time if they don't? I'm sure once a few people have them in hand we can find out what the vape is really like, and decide then if it's a good vape or not.

I have never updated the firmware on a vape, and I don't care one bit if it's possible. Not everyone cares about the same stuff. Yet some people are acting like it's a 100 deal breaker if it doesn't. Well, it doesn't. He's made that clear. He's not going to recall all the devices and rework them to be updatable at this point. That would be insane.

 

[chillAtGVC]

This guy has got to be swamped with putting out fires (so to speak) after running into customs issues, new tariffs, etc. I'm shocked he's been as attentive to this thread as he has.

That alone bodes well for this product.

 

[jbm]

I know of 2 vapes with user updatable firmware. The Peak Pro and the Firefly 2+. This hardly seems like a dealbreaker. The Frolic is out of my reach atm, but it looks like it could be a great vape.

 

[RustyOldNail]

I know of 2 vapes with user updatable firmware. The Peak Pro and the Firefly 2+. This hardly seems like a dealbreaker. The Frolic is out of my reach atm, but it looks like it could be a great vape.

There are a lot more that have updatable firmware. Thankfully, the S&B Venty does. After users complained about some illogical menu choices, they listened and changed a few user changeable settings with a FW update.

I asked about FW update ability much earlier in this thread, but knew the product was too close to being marketed.

For me personally, it’s only a deal breaker because of the price point of this new vaporizer. On inexpensive devices I live without that ability. But most of my “expensive” devices do have that feature, which is comforting to believe the manufacturer will issue updates in the future if the device needs one, or new capabilities are offered.

It’s NOT guaranteed that any company will ever issue a FW update, regardless of issues or feature/menu requests, but the point is, it’s still nice to have the ability to do so if required.

Whether it’s a “dealbreaker” or not is up to you!

 

[PossumMD]

I think it's harsh to call it "false" rather than "Incorrect in this situation". If he can get parts to people in Europe or other countries in 2 days, but not to every country, then the statement is true, but incorrect in your specific case. It's really coming off like you and some other FC members are treating him like he's crooked, and yet the device isn't eve out yet. Can we please not clog up this thread with things that offer no value to people wanting to learn about the vape?

Every time I get a notice that there is a post on this thread I click on it thinking there is more info about the product, but most of the time it's people being angry about things related to an as-yet unreleased vape.

I've been designing a vape for myself for some years now, and sometimes I read these threads I wonder if I'd be up for the abuse if I put out my own. If a company pulls a fast one on people, they deserve to be treated like they did, but no one deserves it before they've done anything.

This guy has got to be swamped with putting out fires (so to speak) after running into customs issues, new tariffs, etc. I'm shocked he's been as attentive to this thread as he has. While the members of this forum are surely the most knowledgeable DHV users on the planet, it's not like the only way for a DHV to be successful is by us anointing it so. Can we maybe try not to scare off new people in the space with trying to force them to bend to every single whim, and giving them a hard time if they don't? I'm sure once a few people have them in hand we can find out what the vape is really like, and decide then if it's a good vape or not.

I have never updated the firmware on a vape, and I don't care one bit if it's possible. Not everyone cares about the same stuff. Yet some people are acting like it's a 100 deal breaker if it doesn't. Well, it doesn't. He's made that clear. He's not going to recall all the devices and rework them to be updatable at this point. That would be insane.

I pointed out that issues that can't be foreseen exist. I wasn't angry and frankly don't care about the firmware, I was simply pointing out, with an example, that it can be a handy feature and then was given a literal example of him not foreseeing an issue. I was ready to buy it regardless of the firmware not being upgradable by me (like I did when I was an early adopter of the FATX), but I'll respect Dejan's request and find another place to spend my money.

 

[TheUniBowler]

I saw the price change in the website so now with the extra 19% code we are getting is the device under 300 or is the discount for first batch already applied and we will only get another 10% ontop